Shama: Bet on Beth Goetz for U AD Position

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And you'll be only too happy to define failure and pile on.

Looking at the more recent AD's and their accomplishments:

Paul Giel--Hired Joe Salem, Lou Holtz, and John Gutekenst. Combined record 58-83-3. Orchestrated the move to the Dome which was about the worst thing to ever happen to Gopher football. Also, under him Musselman had a whole bunch of NCAA violations causing him to leave just ahead of the sheriff. Completely negligent with Mitch Lee, which eventually resulted in the Madison scandal. This former high school football player with all sorts of Minnesota connections makes a really strong case for himself as the worst AD the Gophers ever had.

McKinley Boston--Hired Jim Wacker. Record 16-39. With Salem and Brewster as worst football hires? Although the Black community was outraged, it's pretty clear he enabled Clem to run his dirty program as VP of Student Affairs or whatever it was.

Mark Deinhart--Hired Clem. That scandal under his watch set U basketball ball many years.

Joel Maturi--He gets undeserved heat IMO around here, but he owns the Brewster hire. Record 15-30.
Costly extensions to coaches like Borton and Mason.

Rick Bay--Did nothing outstandingly bad but really didn't distinguish himself in the short time he was AD.

Norwood Teague--"Mega-tongue" No more needs to be said.

What absolute joke that you're so concerned about a female who might not be good enough to keep up with these guys.

You have such great "empathy and concern" for minorities or other groups as a whole. But then you can't help but comment on individuals whether they be Beth Goetz or some black kid who gets shot. Then the true nastiness comes oozing out. Despite how hard you try to hide it by being "concerned" about PC or whatever, it's just a smokescreen for bigotry and complete lack of understanding about what somebody who isn't a scared little white guy like you might face.

Who are you quoting? Those aren't my words. Where is the nastiness (other from you)? I simply want the GOAL of this hiring to be the best possible candidate for the job, and I don't think race or gender should play any role. However, if YOUR goal is for women and minorities to be hired more often, you want those who do get hired to succeed. And again, the way to do that is to hire those women and minorities that are qualified and most likely to succeed. Wanting women and minorities to be hired for high profile positions for which they are not qualified or well suited is short term thinking and will ultimately undo your goal. Without more info, no one really knows which group she's in. But I didn't walk away from her interview thinking rock star, I heard someone very careful with their words who said all the right buzzwords, but that's a pretty small sample size.

Your list of failure tells me that it's a really difficult job and a lot more important than "making some connections". Your takeaway is probably that "white guys (and black guys) have failed, so let's try a woman".

 

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And you'll be only too happy to define failure and pile on.

Looking at the more recent AD's and their accomplishments:

Paul Giel--Hired Joe Salem, Lou Holtz, and John Gutekenst. Combined record 58-83-3. Orchestrated the move to the Dome which was about the worst thing to ever happen to Gopher football. Also, under him Musselman had a whole bunch of NCAA violations causing him to leave just ahead of the sheriff. Completely negligent with Mitch Lee, which eventually resulted in the Madison scandal. This former high school football player with all sorts of Minnesota connections makes a really strong case for himself as the worst AD the Gophers ever had.

McKinley Boston--Hired Jim Wacker. Record 16-39. With Salem and Brewster as worst football hires? Although the Black community was outraged, it's pretty clear he enabled Clem to run his dirty program as VP of Student Affairs or whatever it was.

Mark Deinhart--Hired Clem. That scandal under his watch set U basketball ball many years.

Joel Maturi--He gets undeserved heat IMO around here, but he owns the Brewster hire. Record 15-30.
Costly extensions to coaches like Borton and Mason.

Rick Bay--Did nothing outstandingly bad but really didn't distinguish himself in the short time he was AD.

Norwood Teague--"Mega-tongue" No more needs to be said.

What absolute joke that you're so concerned about a female who might not be good enough to keep up with these guys.

You have such great "empathy and concern" for minorities or other groups as a whole. But then you can't help but comment on individuals whether they be Beth Goetz or some black kid who gets shot. Then the true nastiness comes oozing out. Despite how hard you try to hide it by being "concerned" about PC or whatever, it's just a smokescreen for bigotry and complete lack of understanding about what somebody who isn't a scared little white guy like you might face.

The Boosters hired Joe Salem and took the Gophers downtown. Maybe he should have stood his ground and in retrospect it was a bad idea. Heck, most of the non-M Club public though it was a curious move at the time, but it wasn't Giel who fought hard for it. Giel DID fight hard at the Legislature to get the $20 million or so to remodel Memorial Stadium. Fighting the Vikings, Mackay, downtown Minneapolis money, Sid, TV etc. it was a losing battle. One that Giel held his own at for a few years. He delayed the move to HHH, but he never could get them to write the check for Memorial Stadium. Too many important people didn't want it to happen. Once the decision was made though, he did his job and tried to make the move as painless as possible.

Something you and too many other people castigate him for.

His major fault IMHO is that he seemed more interested in being a "glad-hander" than taking on the hard fights. He loved to delegate. He ended-up placing his trust in the wrong people. When he did want to fight "the good fight" he found few people to back him up and years later, there are people who take ignorant shots to blame him for those fights that he couldn't win.

The rest of your posts, as cherry-picked as they are, are pretty accurate. The big question is this: why are many people so afraid of calling out the boosters?

That makes your claims of "nastiness" read a little hollow.