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stocker08 said:
This team is as good as Pitino's final team.....but with a bunch more potential. Improvement from last year carries over to next year. Ben Johnson is a disaster folks cry themselves to sleep.
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Only it isn't though...that was laid out pretty nicely earlier in this thread.
 

Gophers7633 said:
Only it isn't though...that was laid out pretty nicely earlier in this thread.
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Sure it is. Pitino's final team won six games in the Big Ten. This team should eclipse that easily. And they'll do it without relying on one player to carry the team nearly every game.
 

stocker08 said:
Sure it is. Pitino's final team won six games in the Big Ten. This team should eclipse that easily. And they'll do it without relying on one player to carry the team nearly every game.
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2021 team:
KPI: 77
SOR: 57
KenPom: 62
BPI: 75
NET: 81
Q1 wins: 4

This team:
KPI: 104
SOR: 80
KenPom: 84
BPI: 97
NET: 90
Q1 wins: 0

Someone above laid out the T-Rank stuff that also favored the 2021 team. This current team, hasn't done anything better other than play an easier schedule, at this point.
 

Gophers7633 said:
I sleep just fine. You gave a great example of team improving when returning a lot of their roster. I gave one where it hasn't. Either way, it's no guarantee. If this staff does return, I hope there is enough improvement to be better than what got Pitino fired.
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Historically, which would be the normal? Is it better to return a lot of players with another year experience playing together or is it better to start over with freshmen and new transfers?

If you were a coach, which would you feel is typically better?
 

Gophers7633 said:
2021 team:
KPI: 77
SOR: 57
KenPom: 62
BPI: 75
NET: 81
Q1 wins: 4

This team:
KPI: 104
SOR: 80
KenPom: 84
BPI: 97
NET: 90
Q1 wins: 0

Someone above laid out the T-Rank stuff that also favored the 2021 team. This current team, hasn't done anything better other than play an easier schedule, at this point.
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So if this team wins more games in conference and more games total than the last Pitino team it still will not necessarily be better because of kpiz, soreass, kenporn, bigfuckingI, not, and q80?

I see why you say the games are not important.
 


Gophers7633 said:
2021 team:
KPI: 77
SOR: 57
KenPom: 62
BPI: 75
NET: 81
Q1 wins: 4

This team:
KPI: 104
SOR: 80
KenPom: 84
BPI: 97
NET: 90
Q1 wins: 0

Someone above laid out the T-Rank stuff that also favored the 2021 team. This current team, hasn't done anything better other than play an easier schedule, at this point.
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A) Season isn't over yet
B) Numbers mean nothing compared to wins and losses. This team is looking like it's not only going to be more successful.....but the potential is way higher on this team than Pitino's last team. Pitino was coasting off Carr and the cupboards were bare. Much better situation now.
 


Dakota2 said:
Historically, which would be the normal? Is it better to return a lot of players with another year experience playing together or is it better to start over with freshmen and new transfers?

If you were a coach, which would you feel is typically better?
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In the blind Johnson hatred world.....teams get worse when returning the majority of their roster. :LOL:
 

Dakota2 said:
Historically, which would be the normal? Is it better to return a lot of players with another year experience playing together or is it better to start over with freshmen and new transfers?

If you were a coach, which would you feel is typically better?
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If this team proves to be better than they are now with a strong close to the season, then run it back. If we don't improve from where we are now I'd start over.
 



Dakota2 said:
So if this team wins more games in conference and more games total than the last Pitino team it still will not necessarily be better because of kpiz, soreass, kenporn, bigfuckingI, not, and q80?

I see why you say the games are not important.
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This team probably will finish with more wins because of the easy OOC schedule and down B1G. If we don't play better, from a quality standpoint, we won't be better despite having more wins(and maybe more conference wins).
 

stocker08 said:
A) Season isn't over yet
B) Numbers mean nothing compared to wins and losses. This team is looking like it's not only going to be more successful.....but the potential is way higher on this team than Pitino's last team. Pitino was coasting off Carr and the cupboards were bare. Much better situation now.
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I hope we improve.
 

Dakota2 said:
So if this team wins more games in conference and more games total than the last Pitino team it still will not necessarily be better because of kpiz, soreass, kenporn, bigfuckingI, not, and q80?

I see why you say the games are not important.
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Wins and losses are more a function of the competition. The underlying metrics are a function of how efficient the team actually is. I equate efficiency with the quality of the team over the course of the season.

It's ok to disagree. People can have different perspectives.
 





FWIW, if part of the system they’re trying to implement is uptempo, the Gophs are ranked in the lower half of the country for tempo. To me, tempo is irrelevant, but a lot of people place aesthetic value on it.
 

I love analytics. They will allow me to start my own ABL. Analytical Basketball League. In the ABL no games will be played. All outcomes will be determined by the analytical comparisons and our rankings in Kporn or whatever that is. Gone will be the days of yesteryear where a less talented team works their ass off to beat a more physically gifted team, but is still dissed by the arm chair coaches living in moms basement. The ABL will simply take the analytical rankings and determine the winners. No travel, scholarships, NIL, costly arenas, and coaches shoe contracts. Just good simple true outcomes. Am looking for investors, preferably analytics fans who know a good thing when they see it. BTW, anyone notice what the first 4 letters in analytics spell?
 

formerlybis said:
FWIW, if part of the system they’re trying to implement is uptempo, the Gophs are ranked in the lower half of the country for tempo. To me, tempo is irrelevant, but a lot of people place aesthetic value on it.
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In an interview CBJ addressed tempo by saying it's hard to play fast in the Big Ten, but the idea is run when you can and putting emphasis on quick ball movement.
 


Gopheritnow said:
I love analytics. They will allow me to start my own ABL. Analytical Basketball League. In the ABL no games will be played. All outcomes will be determined by the analytical comparisons and our rankings in Kporn or whatever that is. Gone will be the days of yesteryear where a less talented team works their ass off to beat a more physically gifted team, but is still dissed by the arm chair coaches living in mom’s basement. The ABL will simply take the analytical rankings and determine the winners. No travel, scholarships, NIL, costly arenas, and coaches shoe contracts. Just good simple true outcomes. Am looking for investors, preferably analytics fans who know a good thing when they see it. BTW, anyone notice what the first 4 letters in analytics spell?
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Gophers7633?
 





When Mitchell is bad....he is really bad!!
 


Man, a lot of angst in this message board. MN is just fine. They went to Indiana, made NO shots, looked a little too amped up (esp Mitchell), yet only lost by 12 points on the road in the BTN. So what?! Nebraska got smoked on the road even worse in the following game. Road wins are rare and difficult. MN will battle to 10 conf wins, and will play .500 ball through the next 6 games and be just fine. The entire college basketball scene is wide open and anybody can lose on any night. Ask Illinois the other night against MD. Our wins vs. Neb and MD are looking pretty good right now, but were underappreciated at the time ("Big Ten is down".., etc.). BS, there is parity and no dominant team. MN is just fine and will hover in the middle of BTN standings--MUCH BETTER than prev. years. CBJ is doing a great job, and the eye test indicates they are getting more and more competitive in this league. Gophers will be playing for a spot in the big dance in the home city conf. tourney.
 



007gopherfan said:
Shooting was cold but Mitchell only had 6 shots entire game, he is one who should seek to get 6 shots a quarter.
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Can’t do that if the coach takes him out after one shot. I have a feeling he might not see the court that much moving forward. Very short leash especially since Carrington is back. Hopefully, I’m wrong.
 

Gophers7633 said:
This team probably will finish with more wins because of the easy OOC schedule and down B1G. If we don't play better, from a quality standpoint, we won't be better despite having more wins(and maybe more conference wins).
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Lot of gh doesn't believe the big is down this year.
 

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