Are the Gophers on the Bubble with 8 B1G wins plus 2 in the BTT?

[#1nHkyCfbBsbDncSolarDebat]

8-10 won't cut it unless we get the auto-bid. No way an 8-10 B1G team gets a bid this year.

Why? B1G has THE MOST RPI Top 100 rated teams of any conference.

Only the Big 12 has as many Top 50 rated teams in the RPI.


And every other Rating system out there has the B1G rated even better.


The Sagarin Ratings have NINE B1G teams rated among the Top 41.


And on the other end of the spectrum, every single conf out there has AT LEAST 3 teams rated #101 or worse in the RPI. Most have more. That means "as a whole", just finishing out the conf scedule, should improve more B1G teams RPI's than are hurt, especially if NW, PSU, Rutgers, Nebraska and Michigan do their parts and LOSE!!!!

 

[Gopher Warrior]

Why? B1G has THE MOST RPI Top 100 rated teams of any conference.

Only the Big 12 has as many Top 50 rated teams in the RPI.


And every other Rating system out there has the B1G rated even better.


The Sagarin Ratings have NINE B1G teams rated among the Top 41.


And on the other end of the spectrum, every single conf out there has AT LEAST 3 teams rated #101 or worse in the RPI. Most have more. That means "as a whole", just finishing out the conf scedule, should improve more B1G teams RPI's than are hurt, especially if NW, PSU, Rutgers, Nebraska and Michigan do their parts and LOSE!!!!

You're not understanding the RPI calcs.

But, anyway... RPI has the Big Ten ranked #4. KenPom (for predictive purposes) has them #4 with SEC dangerous close to pushing them to #5. Their nonconference SOS was crap, their nonconference w-l wasn't impressive relative to the SOS, and that's not going to change much.

"Why? B1G has THE MOST RPI Top 100 rated teams of any conference. Only the Big 12 has as many Top 50 rated teams in the RPI." sounds nice until you consider (1) all 7 of the Big 12's are 31 or better while only 2 of the Big 10's are... and (2) 7 teams represents 50% of the Big Ten's 14 teams while 7 teams represents 70% of the Big 12's 10 teams.

It's not even close. Not a great year for the Big Ten from a "ratings."

 

[#1nHkyCfbBsbDncSolarDebat]

You're not understanding the RPI calcs.

But, anyway... RPI has the Big Ten ranked #4. KenPom (for predictive purposes) has them #4 with SEC dangerous close to pushing them to #5. Their nonconference SOS was crap, their nonconference w-l wasn't impressive relative to the SOS, and that's not going to change much.

"Why? B1G has THE MOST RPI Top 100 rated teams of any conference. Only the Big 12 has as many Top 50 rated teams in the RPI." sounds nice until you consider (1) all 7 of the Big 12's are 31 or better while only 2 of the Big 10's are... and (2) 7 teams represents 50% of the Big Ten's 14 teams while 7 teams represents 70% of the Big 12's 10 teams.

It's not even close. Not a great year for the Big Ten from a "ratings."[/QUOTE







I understand FAR MORE than you think. And according to the "ratings", its a pretty decent year for the B1G. "It's not even close"??? What are you a B1G Hater???

I won't give your opinion any credibility. Maybe no one cares? Or maybe NO ONE likes you so it doesn't matter??? lol

 

[GopherWeatherGuy]

You're not understanding the RPI calcs.

But, anyway... RPI has the Big Ten ranked #4. KenPom (for predictive purposes) has them #4 with SEC dangerous close to pushing them to #5. Their nonconference SOS was crap, their nonconference w-l wasn't impressive relative to the SOS, and that's not going to change much.

"Why? B1G has THE MOST RPI Top 100 rated teams of any conference. Only the Big 12 has as many Top 50 rated teams in the RPI." sounds nice until you consider (1) all 7 of the Big 12's are 31 or better while only 2 of the Big 10's are... and (2) 7 teams represents 50% of the Big Ten's 14 teams while 7 teams represents 70% of the Big 12's 10 teams.

It's not even close. Not a great year for the Big Ten from a "ratings."[/QUOTE

I understand FAR MORE than you think. And according to the "ratings", its a pretty decent year for the B1G. "It's not even close"??? What are you a B1G Hater???

I won't give your opinion any credibility. Maybe no one cares? Or maybe NO ONE likes you so it doesn't matter??? lol

The B1G is usually in the discussion for the 1st/2nd best conference not the 4th/5th. If you think the B1G is solid this year, or on par with other years you are drinking way too much Kool-aid. There's no way the Gophers make it at 8-10. The conversation starts at 9-9.

 

[#1nHkyCfbBsbDncSolarDebat]

The B1G is usually in the discussion for the 1st/2nd best conference not the 4th/5th. If you think the B1G is solid this year, or on par with other years you are drinking way too much Kool-aid. There's no way the Gophers make it at 8-10. The conversation starts at 9-9.

I do think the B1G is solid this year, right around the waist, or the middle. It's not as top heavy as it has been in the past, and no, they are not in the discussion for the 1st/2nd best conference, but a strong argument can be made for 3rd. And NO, the conversation does NOT start at 9-9.

9-9 B1G teams HAVE BEEN PASSED OVER by the selection committee while 8-10 B1G teams got in, 2 of them in fact.


Part of the reason for this is that the NCAA Selection Committee does NOT pick the field at the conclusion of the regular season. Or didn't you know this?

It is true going 8-10 will probably mean winning at least 2 if not 3 games in the B1G Conf Tourney not including any games on Wednesday, while going 9-9 might mean they'd only have to win 1 or 2 in the conf tourney. But 8-10 does not automatically disqualify them from the discussion. If you believe it does, then it might be you drinking too much Kool-aid.


The Gopher's B1G conf record is one of the least important factors if it is a factor at all. Their RPI rating and corresponding ranking, along with the # of Signature wins they have, and their record vs Top 25, Top 50 and Top 100 teams, and how many bad losses they have and what their SOS is, are all FAR MORE important.

Those factors are what were considered and why TWO 8-10 B1G teams got into the tourney the same year a 9-9 B1G team got left out. Or don't you remember that happening?

 

[GopherWeatherGuy]

I do think the B1G is solid this year, right around the waist, or the middle. It's not as top heavy as it has been in the past, and no, they are not in the discussion for the 1st/2nd best conference, but a strong argument can be made for 3rd. And NO, the conversation does NOT start at 9-9.

9-9 B1G teams HAVE BEEN PASSED OVER by the selection committee while 8-10 B1G teams got in, 2 of them in fact.


Part of the reason for this is that the NCAA Selection Committee does NOT pick the field at the conclusion of the regular season. Or didn't you know this?

It is true going 8-10 will probably mean winning at least 2 if not 3 games in the B1G Conf Tourney not including any games on Wednesday, while going 9-9 might mean they'd only have to win 1 or 2 in the conf tourney. But 8-10 does not automatically disqualify them from the discussion. If you believe it does, then it might be you drinking too much Kool-aid.


The Gopher's B1G conf record is one of the least important factors if it is a factor at all. Their RPI rating and corresponding ranking, along with the # of Signature wins they have, and their record vs Top 25, Top 50 and Top 100 teams, and how many bad losses they have and what their SOS is, are all FAR MORE important.

Those factors are what were considered and why TWO 8-10 B1G teams got into the tourney the same year a 9-9 B1G team got left out. Or don't you remember that happening?

No 8-10 does not automatically disqualify anyone, and in PAST years teams have made it. Because of THIS year's mediocre B1G, the Gophers lack of signature wins, and relatively weak schedule, I do believe 8-10 automatically disqualifies the Gophers THIS YEAR, unless they win the B1G tourney. Time will tell, but we may never know anyways because they might not win more than 7.

 

[justthefacts]

People need to stop thinking about the quality of the Big Ten as something you just apply as a multiplier to the Gophers' record. The quality of the Big Ten is only important insofar as it affects individual games that the Gophers play.

Given a very large, 14 team conference this becomes even more important. If a team is 8-10 having played the top 6 teams twice each those individual games will have contributed quite a bit to the SOS and quality wins. Having played the bottom 6 teams twice would not have done that.

Conference record is, in and of itself, meaningless. Strength of conference is, in and of itself, meaningless. Strip all the names and conference affiliations from the results and think of each team as simply an RPI. Then you'll start thinking of the tournament selection in the right way.

 

[ethomasp31]

I do think the B1G is solid this year, right around the waist, or the middle. It's not as top heavy as it has been in the past, and no, they are not in the discussion for the 1st/2nd best conference, but a strong argument can be made for 3rd. And NO, the conversation does NOT start at 9-9.

9-9 B1G teams HAVE BEEN PASSED OVER by the selection committee while 8-10 B1G teams got in, 2 of them in fact.


Part of the reason for this is that the NCAA Selection Committee does NOT pick the field at the conclusion of the regular season. Or didn't you know this?

It is true going 8-10 will probably mean winning at least 2 if not 3 games in the B1G Conf Tourney not including any games on Wednesday, while going 9-9 might mean they'd only have to win 1 or 2 in the conf tourney. But 8-10 does not automatically disqualify them from the discussion. If you believe it does, then it might be you drinking too much Kool-aid.


The Gopher's B1G conf record is one of the least important factors if it is a factor at all. Their RPI rating and corresponding ranking, along with the # of Signature wins they have, and their record vs Top 25, Top 50 and Top 100 teams, and how many bad losses they have and what their SOS is, are all FAR MORE important.

Those factors are what were considered and why TWO 8-10 B1G teams got into the tourney the same year a 9-9 B1G team got left out. Or don't you remember that happening?

We don't have a very strong non conference resume to get in at 8-10.....that's the problem.