My son has a data base containing every single category of every program in college basketball. I t is protected for the value. But a quick look at a 10 year history of elite performance of UW,UVA and Nova is pretty simple on rosters check. Short answer was Nova HAD 6 ON ONE TEAM AT A TIME ! UVA did Brogdon,Hall,Hunter, Huff, Shedrick, Caffaro as a example. UW , huge with all american bigs !
I am kind of lazy. Just wondering if you or anyone else knows a site that would have the top 100 recruits every year out of high school and have like a label if they redshirted. I dont want to check by team that seems like alot of time. You brought this topic up and I became very interested. I was aware mostly of the Virginia and Villanova redshirts. Great topic. It seems redshirting was more prevalent in 80's and 90's but with the addition of aau and summer leagues kids dont want to buy in to redshirting.
The programs i mentioned are going to continue using it and are not having problems recruiting kids that like the idea. More to come this year as well. Players even asking about it in recruiting. These are mature kids emotionally, that are very interested in the academic piece as well as the basketball piece, that want the whole experience and buy in to the culture. You target them in recruiting, especially paying attention to high school, they trust in the passion of a coach wired that way.
Oh you dont have to convince me on redshirting. I am all for it if the kid seems like he is not quite ready but I think he will eventually. Especially with bigs, alot havent grown into their body. Whether that be muscle wise or coordination wise.
I always enjoy your contributions, you know that. But I think you're just proving my point:
It helped the team ! What about the UW and what they got, what about what UVA and the players got. Hunter was slated for 5 minutes max but he was not strong enough. RS frosh year he averaged 19 minutes and did not start, came a long way from RS year, then started everygame as a grown man, won the ACC and the National Championship and became the 4th overall pick. He is two summers from graduating. They cashed in. Nova cashed in while they were there. They all met their dreams. They were not ready their first years, got great, won titles. Who cares if they stayed 4-5 years if everybody won ! They got better on a specific plan that having them available 5 minutes a game would not have.
Hunter also left early for the NBA. Virginia got two years out of him instead of three or more.
Bennett disagrees with you, so does, Gard, so does Wright and so do the players ! They got their dividend earlier. The first year is the investment that can not be made the same way in wasting on the bench. That is not how practice works with a green team against the starters, reserves rotating and redshirts doing extensive individual skill work in a severely time tested environment devoted largely to team practice a redshirt can focus on all the aspects i pointed it out. Hell, if Hunter played 5 years it means he did not get good enough fast enough to be drafted 4th. Plus they go 66-5 with him, win conference titles and the natty. No downside because if he does not get high 1st round grade he could have come back. There is so much flexibility in it. Brogdon stays 5 with the bad foot helping him on the decision, a burning desire to be in a elite grad program, invited to live where only the best students lived. He gets his masters, his ACC titles, becomes the only player in ACC history to be player of the year and defensive player of the year. Advanced age drops him to the 2nd rd on poor NBA scouting but now rocks at 22 million a year. There is simply no way you could out smart all those involved since everyone, including the fans got what they wanted. Now it is entirely plausible that we do not have those type of players or that level of teaching.
Well, I suspect we won't come to an agreement. No worries! A couple final notes on your post above:
Agreed
Like I've said: coaches would do all kinds of things, probably almost anything, that they think would help them win more games.
There will be a season. Things are looking up!
The start of the basketball season is a long, long, long time away. Football season too. It's only been seven weeks since Rudy Gobert tested positive and started the dominoes falling.
I think that the season will get played one way or another. We are not going to be able to go on this way. If the virus comes back it comes back. So does the flu which can be pretty deadly itself. They will have to find ways to manage it. If that means testing all of the players and refs and playing the games in empty arenas (I really doubt that it comes to that) then I think that's what they would do and rely on the TV revenue. It would be completely off the charts insane to stop living for another year. Especially for the players who have zero risk from this thing. It's far more dangerous for them to get in a car.
They're talking maybe early vaccines in Sept of this year.
Thanks.
UVA will still use it. They have players asking for it ! If you could see what happens to a redshirt at practice it is a far different usage of skill time then a reserve has. The early investment resulted in a better player, a better team, a balanced class. The dividend was the improvement, the academic advance, the wining , it all came early. It is all part of a carefully crafted master plan to be unlike anyone else in the ultimate effort to beat the blue bloods without cheat, without trying to beat them the way they play
Say so long to our beloved country if we are still there in the fall. If they are still cancelling sports then they are still killing the economy. We have to suck it up and work through it.
bga1, I happen to agree with you that we will have sports this fall/winter. In person attendance might be limited or disallowed in some cases but I am pretty confident we can make it happen.
Close to 75% of the deaths in the US from Covid are people above 65 AND with co morbidity factors. If you are under 65 ARE HEALTHY and die of COVID- you got something similar in luck to being struck by lightning. I was unfair to car accidents by comparing the two. The stats are just overwhelming. The statistics are stunning.
| Age Group | Percent of Cases | Percent of Deaths |
|---|---|---|
| 0-5 years | 1% | 0% |
| 6-19 years | 3% | 0% |
| 20-29 years | 14% | 0% |
| 30-39 years | 17% | <1% |
| 40-49 years | 15% | 1% |
| 50-59 years | 16% | 4% |
| 60-69 years | 12% | 12% |
| 70+ years | 21% | 83% |
| Unknown/ missing | <1% | 0% |
Thanks for the info. In the interest of not derailing another thread I'll leave it here. Or maybe we can move it the Stars vs. Coach em up thread or the Academic Rankings thread
I apologize. I realize this is the buckets forum. I will be better!
