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I really don't think the federal rules are the core of the issue.
Yes, the rules require the schools to take action.
The rules don't require the schools to be stupid about it.
The core issue is that schools are just not good at being mini justice systems when it comes to addressing serious issues, they're not equipped, and never were. There's no reason to think they'd be good at it more than any other organization.
The schools can be stupid about it all on their own if they want to regardless of a federal rule, and I suspect some will continue to be that way.
Oops wrong forum...
This should be in off topic with the rest of the politics garbage.
Nope, it's the right forum.
Title IX is a policy with broad applicability to athletics (including football), in case you didn't know. If you want to attempt to argue that what happened to our football players last fall/winter isn't related to football, be my guest. I'd love to see your reasoning for that argument.
Every one of us would be guilty of sexual assault vs our girlfriends, wives, etc. How does one prove affirmative consent to the EOAA investigator and/or SSMS panel? Serious question.
It doesn't matter what the morons running the country do. The U is not going to change how they handle sexual harassment and assault cases. End of story. If you don't like it move to another state and good riddance to you. We go our own way in Minnesota. It has always been that way. Look it up.
Minnesotans react to Betsy DeVos' plans to change how colleges handle allegations of sexual violence on campus
... In practice, though, little may change on campus even if the government abandons current rules, says Kathryn Nash, a Minneapolis attorney who has worked with DeVos’ deputies to draft new regulations.
At this point, many colleges have spent years revising their policies and practices, “and I don’t see them moving away from that,” said Nash, a leading national expert on campus sexual assault.
She noted that they’re also required by a 2014 law, the Violence Against Women Act, to conduct fair and thorough investigations.
At St. Olaf College in Northfield, Vice President Carl Crosby Lehmann bristled at some of DeVos’ comments, but said he saw little to worry about.
“I take some heart,” he said, “that it’s not going to lead to significant changes that will require us to go back to the drawing board completely.”
Read more at: http://m.startribune.com/minnesotan...-violence-on-campus/443113693/?section=nation
Minnesotans react to Betsy DeVos' plans to change how colleges handle allegations of sexual violence on campus
... In practice, though, little may change on campus even if the government abandons current rules, says Kathryn Nash, a Minneapolis attorney who has worked with DeVos’ deputies to draft new regulations.
At this point, many colleges have spent years revising their policies and practices, “and I don’t see them moving away from that,” said Nash, a leading national expert on campus sexual assault.
She noted that they’re also required by a 2014 law, the Violence Against Women Act, to conduct fair and thorough investigations.
At St. Olaf College in Northfield, Vice President Carl Crosby Lehmann bristled at some of DeVos’ comments, but said he saw little to worry about.
“I take some heart,” he said, “that it’s not going to lead to significant changes that will require us to go back to the drawing board completely.”
Read more at: http://m.startribune.com/minnesotan...-violence-on-campus/443113693/?section=nation
I really don't think the federal rules are the core of the issue.
Yes, the rules require the schools to take action.
The rules don't require the schools to be stupid about it.
The core issue is that schools are just not good at being mini justice systems when it comes to addressing serious issues, they're not equipped, and never were. There's no reason to think they'd be good at it more than any other organization.
The schools can be stupid about it all on their own if they want to regardless of a federal rule, and I suspect some will continue to be that way.
If what you are saying is that the idea behind the rule is pure, but the implementation of the rule has been atrocious, then I think I might agree.
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Release the Neanderthals. Poor persecuted men, woe is us....
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Of course schools are going to say they aren't going to change their policies. That's simply optics. They sure ain't gonna come out and say, "Thank goodness, now we can quit worrying about sexual assault!"
But I suspect that if you talked to some administrators over a few beers they'd admit things likely WILL change, and that they will secretly be happy to get better defined expectations of protecting the rights of the accused.
Why? Lawsuits. If you follow this issue, they are only getting more and more common since we visited this issue last fall, and Universities are losing cases (usually by settling as to avoid a trial) seemingly every week now. In fact, as success is piling up, it appears to me that legal arguments are starting to standardize. For example, it seems several lawsuits use an unequal treatment argument: woman accuses man under overly broad affirmative consent. But the consent policy is SO broad, it's very likely the woman violated it as well. Man accuses woman back and sues school if they don't pursue his claim with equal seriousness. Now what? Settle up and pay the man (and maybe the woman too!)
I think when schools criminalize normal behavior via the affirmative consent rule that's a bridge too far.
Every one of us would be guilty of sexual assault vs our girlfriends, wives, etc. How does one prove affirmative consent to the EOAA investigator and/or SSMS panel? Serious question.
Well - in fairness, there first would have to be an accusation of rape.
These kinds of statements really put a point on the precise problem. You seem to be implying that you're less concerned with justice depending upon the gender of the people involved. It's a terrible and savage system. . . who cares, it's victims are just privileged men.
The moment you start negotiating justice for the sake of one group over another, you're opening the door to vile and dangerous ideology.
The scary thing is that people who hold these beliefs really believe their liberal and open-minded. They're toxic.
It doesn't matter what the morons running the country do. The U is not going to change how they handle sexual harassment and assault cases. End of story. If you don't like it move to another state and good riddance to you. We go our own way in Minnesota. It has always been that way. Look it up.
These kinds of statements really put a point on the precise problem. You seem to be implying that you're less concerned with justice depending upon the gender of the people involved. It's a terrible and savage system. . . who cares, it's victims are just privileged men.
The moment you start negotiating justice for the sake of one group over another, you're opening the door to vile and dangerous ideology.
The scary thing is that people who hold these beliefs really believe their liberal and open-minded. They're toxic.