So, basically you're saying - Leidner will not improve but possibly has a chance to by some degree, maybe. Riveting stuff!
Where did I say "Leidner will not improve"? Post the quote. If you ever find it. Everyone can "improve". What I said is "he is what he is" and "he ain't what he ain't". The rubes that are expecting Mitch Leidner to turn into some proficient passer that runs a well-oiled pass offense that puts up big numbers are living in a dream world. I'm sorry alright.
Well, its spring ball and we're already hearing he shows signs of improvement. You know, I really do hope that will be seen in the fall. Because seriously, when you consider his overall numbers last year and his absolutely brutal play in the TCU, Wisconsin, and Ohio State games, I can't imagine a scenario that he shouldn't "improve".
Well, its spring ball and we're already hearing he shows signs of improvement. You know, I really do hope that will be seen in the fall.
I assume you meant "we're already hearing he hasn't shown signs of improvement". If you've seen him at practice or if you haven't and you simply want to go off of GI and 247 practice reports you'd know he looked better last spring and fall than he does this spring. Very inconsistent and he's not giving the receivers nice balls to make plays on.
You must go to different practices than I do. Mitch is better. I truly think something is wrong with you. Your hatred of ML prevents you from seeing reality. Mitch is going against a very good defense. Saturday he was 5 for 10 with two passes dropped. He is also throwing the short pass much better. Please, and I mean this seriously, seek some counseling for your Mitch hatred.
Again, it's not Mitch hatred. It's a "how in the he!! can our coaching staff produce this kind of a QB in year 5" indictment on the coaching staff. He is the starter and is a terrible passing QB and that is nothing against the kid, but its reality; and it's a pathetic reality for our offensive coordinator and our QB coach. After Nelson left there needed to be a sit-down amongst the staff to find a BIG quality QB to come in. What do they do? They sit back and think it's OK to have a starting QB you recruited to eventually move to TE (Leidner), a backup QB you recruited to play an athlete position (Streveler) and a recruit coming to campus that no other BCS program in America wanted to come play QB for them, but were all really wanting him as a safety. Oh and not to mention he was 5'10" and left because a kid whose only offer out of HS was south Dakota state walked on and looked better enough than you to make you leave.
So this has nothing to do with Mitch, I'm pointing out how terrible he is at being a quarterback because I want it to sink in that this staff has no f'ing clue how to develop a QB at a BCS level. Its too bad because I think all we'd need was an average QB this year to make it to Indy.
The attack on our coaching staff for not having an elite passer is somewhat accurate (albeit a little short-sighted), but PLEASE stop trying to say that Nelson was any better than what you currently see. Your Mankato is showing...
His last series as a gopher against Syracuse was about as sorry a one as I've ever seen.
Very odd posts by you two. Sonny you've been so down on Mitch and the coaches, I wonder what happened. Maybe I've been out of the loop a bit, but I don't recall hearing how you turned so sour. Since QB is the most important position on the field, it's partly because it's the most difficult to play, coach, recruit, etc. I think the staff has done a great job of building this program to B1G contention, in spite of how awful you think they have done at the QB spot. Just be sure to come back here next fall and post your thoughts about Mitch's play and the QB position in general.
Three QBs in the top 10 of B1G completed 60%. Mitch will improve, just like the entire team and program have continued to do since JK arrived.I'd just like to see him get his completion percentage up into the 60s....He's capable of that.
Well, its spring ball and we're already hearing he shows signs of improvement. You know, I really do hope that will be seen in the fall. Because seriously, when you consider his overall numbers last year and his absolutely brutal play in the TCU, Wisconsin, and Ohio State games, I can't imagine a scenario that he shouldn't "improve".
Again, it's not Mitch hatred. It's a "how in the he!! can our coaching staff produce this kind of a QB in year 5" indictment on the coaching staff. He is the starter and is a terrible passing QB and that is nothing against the kid, but its reality; and it's a pathetic reality for our offensive coordinator and our QB coach. After Nelson left there needed to be a sit-down amongst the staff to find a BIG quality QB to come in. What do they do? They sit back and think it's OK to have a starting QB you recruited to eventually move to TE (Leidner), a backup QB you recruited to play an athlete position (Streveler) and a recruit coming to campus that no other BCS program in America wanted to come play QB for them, but were all really wanting him as a safety. Oh and not to mention he was 5'10" and left because a kid whose only offer out of HS was south Dakota state walked on and looked better enough than you to make you leave.
So this has nothing to do with Mitch, I'm pointing out how terrible he is at being a quarterback because I want it to sink in that this staff has no f'ing clue how to develop a QB at a BCS level. Its too bad because I think all we'd need was an average QB this year to make it to Indy.
So are you saying he is going to improve this fall? if yes, I like your positive attitude!
Sonny you've been so down on Mitch and the coaches, I wonder what happened. Maybe I've been out of the loop a bit, but I don't recall hearing how you turned so sour.
where woudl you find this so called Elite QB by year 5 for a program that Brewster left in such a horrible place?
The recruiters have brought in guys that are better at the QB position every year.
that horrible QB that this staff recruited was 1 win away from the BigTen championship as a RS Soph.
OK, I appreciate your explanation and also your passion. I'm generally an optimistic glass-half-full guy, so rampant negativism goes against my grain. I recall Jerry raising those non-existent expectations through the roof when he first started at Saginaw Valley. People who previously didn't care were crying after a crushing loss. So, cheer up. I think the explanations for our QB situation in this thread are pretty insightful, and I've been pretty consistent in saying I'm seeing marked improvement in Mitch last year. He has some stuff that you can't teach -- leadership, especially. The guys will play hard around him and he's also working hard off the field to get better.I haven't soured on the Gophs...
Me personally, I like Mitch. He gives everything, bleeds for the program and still has two full years. He has some things to work on, but no one can deny that he is a warrior and a leader.
By sonnygarcia "And we know Perra isn't that good because he's behind Streveler on the depth chart."
I empathize with a lot of Sonny's points and frustrations. But this one, no. Perra was an awarded and statistically accomplished high school QB, especially when you consider the weather in which he had to play. And the main reason he's behind Streveler is not based on talent but on the fact that Jerry gave Strev university money. Its always tough for a coach/manager to sit the high priced player for a try-out player.
we don't need an elite QB, we need an average one. They can definitely be found.
Not even close. Streveler is worse than Mitch, and DRM was worse than Streveler. DRM got beat out by a walk-on who only had an SDSU offer the minute he stepped on campus. And we know Perra isn't that good because he'd behind Streveler on the depth chart. And Streveler is so good at quarter-backing the staff let him throw the ball 5 times in his only start.
David Cobb, Maxx Williams and our Defense got us 1 win away from the BT Championship game. ML had very little to do with that as he was not relied upon to make game changing plays, they just didn't want him to screw up.
He didn't want to burn Perra's red-shirt if he didn't have to. Perra was also six month out of a surgury when the season started so prudent to give him time to adequately heal.