Is Mark Coyle to blame for losing coaches?

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The program has lost three coaches to lateral moves within the conference over the last couple weeks. Geography and prior relationships may have helped enable the moves, but the U didn’t do much to entice them to stay from a salary perspective. It’s reported that Kirk received a $600k pay raise to go to Rutgers. I haven’t seen reports on Haynes’ Wisconsin salary or Haley’s Purdue salary, but they each took a pay cut when they came to Minnesota.

USA Today shows Haynes made $450k at Michigan State in 2019 then made $250k at Minnesota last year (he was in line to make $380k next year). USA Today shows Haley made $609k at Missouri last year and he was in line to make $410k here next year.

I think many of us believe we should be able to compete with schools like Rutgers, Wisconsin, Purdue, Michigan State, and Missouri. However, it appears we either can’t compete with them when it comes to paying assistant coaches or we choose not to.

How much responsibility does Mark Coyle bear for this?
 




matt said:
The program has lost three coaches to lateral moves within the conference over the last couple weeks. Geography and prior relationships may have helped enable the moves, but the U didn’t do much to entice them to stay from a salary perspective. It’s reported that Kirk received a $600k pay raise to go to Rutgers. I haven’t seen reports on Haynes’ Wisconsin salary or Haley’s Purdue salary, but they each took a pay cut when they came to Minnesota.

USA Today shows Haynes made $450k at Michigan State in 2019 then made $250k at Minnesota last year (he was in line to make $380k next year). USA Today shows Haley made $609k at Missouri last year and he was in line to make $410k here next year.

I think many of us believe we should be able to compete with schools like Rutgers, Wisconsin, Purdue, Michigan State, and Missouri. However, it appears we either can’t compete with them when it comes to paying assistant coaches or we choose not to.

How much responsibility does Mark Coyle bear for this?
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The Administration strikes again
 


matt said:
The program has lost three coaches to lateral moves within the conference over the last couple weeks. Geography and prior relationships may have helped enable the moves, but the U didn’t do much to entice them to stay from a salary perspective. It’s reported that Kirk received a $600k pay raise to go to Rutgers. I haven’t seen reports on Haynes’ Wisconsin salary or Haley’s Purdue salary, but they each took a pay cut when they came to Minnesota.

USA Today shows Haynes made $450k at Michigan State in 2019 then made $250k at Minnesota last year (he was in line to make $380k next year). USA Today shows Haley made $609k at Missouri last year and he was in line to make $410k here next year.

I think many of us believe we should be able to compete with schools like Rutgers, Wisconsin, Purdue, Michigan State, and Missouri. However, it appears we either can’t compete with them when it comes to paying assistant coaches or we choose not to.

How much responsibility does Mark Coyle bear for this?
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It's interesting, if not possibly alarming, that there is that much disparity among similar jobs at similar programs. No matter whose fault it is.
 

All of these lateral moves are related to previous relationships or destination preferences if we're to believe the facts I've seen put out there. Maybe PJ is encouraging guys to look around if they express that desire. He's certainly not held his players at fault for looking around if they desired to and has been very diplomatic when they leave. As I've seen stated before, you get a lot of love back by being open, honest, and encouraging as a leader rather than a stick in the mud that tries to hang onto everything when the need isn't there. PJ could also use this to leverage a greater salary pool next year if he brings in similar results, or if we poop the bed. It could work either way, honestly.
 

OK ao where does PJ and the Gophers go from here?
 

Rinse and repeat, but we have every major Professional League in this town at some point the money runs out. We are at a huge disadvantage over other programs.

Fleck is a power coach who trusts himself and culture to outperform any one coach. He will find replacements and likely go younger and continue to lose guys. Again, there is only so much money.
 



MaxyJR1 said:
Rinse and repeat, but we have every major Professional League in this town at some point the money runs out. We are at a huge disadvantage over other programs.

Fleck is a power coach who trusts himself and culture to outperform any one coach. He will find replacements and likely go younger and continue to lose guys. Again, there is only so much money.
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What were the total football revenues for 2022 and where does that rank with other B1G teams?
 

mngg11 said:
All of these lateral moves are related to previous relationships or destination preferences if we're to believe the facts I've seen put out there. Maybe PJ is encouraging guys to look around if they express that desire. He's certainly not held his players at fault for looking around if they desired to and has been very diplomatic when they leave. As I've seen stated before, you get a lot of love back by being open, honest, and encouraging as a leader rather than a stick in the mud that tries to hang onto everything when the need isn't there. PJ could also use this to leverage a greater salary pool next year if he brings in similar results, or if we poop the bed. It could work either way, honestly.
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All of this "previous relationship" garbage is pure nonsense. Didn't they all have a current relationship with Fleck, except KC, who had both a previous relationship [2] and a current relationship when he tripled down on previous relationships? Now that KC has three previous relationships, can we expect him back by fall camp since those previous relationships are the bomb?!
 

Can someone refresh my memory on the new Big Ten yearly TV payout, 60-100million a year??
 




PJ is paid competitively. Losing staff for salary reasons is illogical. If you can afford to pay the head coach $4-5 million, you shouldn't lose assistants over $500K.
 

I think Coil’s what relationship is Marc with a head coaches and that’s it.



By all accounts those relationships have been great. Possibly full of chili.
 

PhiloVance said:
What were the total football revenues for 2022 and where does that rank with other B1G teams?
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From 2020 Minnesota was 26th overall and ahead of Rutger, Maryland, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois. So 9th.
 

Gopher_In_NYC said:
The Administration strikes again
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Well it may be time to play the game America boosters love to play so well. Open up your wallet. I'll start. I don't know how far the lint I dumped on the table will go, but it's a start...🤡

All jokes aside, if it really is pay, it may come down to securing boosters and fundraising to keep top notch assistants.
 

matt said:
The program has lost three coaches to lateral moves within the conference over the last couple weeks. Geography and prior relationships may have helped enable the moves, but the U didn’t do much to entice them to stay from a salary perspective. It’s reported that Kirk received a $600k pay raise to go to Rutgers. I haven’t seen reports on Haynes’ Wisconsin salary or Haley’s Purdue salary, but they each took a pay cut when they came to Minnesota.

USA Today shows Haynes made $450k at Michigan State in 2019 then made $250k at Minnesota last year (he was in line to make $380k next year). USA Today shows Haley made $609k at Missouri last year and he was in line to make $410k here next year.

I think many of us believe we should be able to compete with schools like Rutgers, Wisconsin, Purdue, Michigan State, and Missouri. However, it appears we either can’t compete with them when it comes to paying assistant coaches or we choose not to.

How much responsibility does Mark Coyle bear for this?
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None Coyle has fought tooth and nail to get more funding from the BOR and increases have been made with each Fleck extension
 

howeda7 said:
PJ is paid competitively. Losing staff for salary reasons is illogical. If you can afford to pay the head coach $4-5 million, you shouldn't lose assistants over $500K.
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PJ’s salary is either last or 2nd to last in the West, and 11th or 12th in the conference overall. Ryan Walters’ salary at Purdue hasn’t been released yet.
 


We lost a DL coach who couldn't get his players near the qb.

We lost a coordinator with a weak ass passing game.

What's the big deal here?
 



STPGopher said:
Well it may be time to play the game America boosters love to play so well. Open up your wallet. I'll start. I don't know how far the lint I dumped on the table will go, but it's a start...🤡

All jokes aside, if it really is pay, it may come down to securing boosters and fundraising to keep top notch assistants.
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Are IOUs an acceptable form of payment?
 


Wooty_Woot said:
All of this "previous relationship" garbage is pure nonsense. Didn't they all have a current relationship with Fleck, except KC, who had both a previous relationship [2] and a current relationship when he tripled down on previous relationships? Now that KC has three previous relationships, can we expect him back by fall camp since those previous relationships are the bomb?!
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I get your annoyance, but it's relevant information. It's less alarming to me than them leaving for a lateral role with equal or less pay for a complete stranger at the G5 level
 


All in all this is business. People leave and it's not necessarily always because the issue is with the program or the people in it. More than anything, this is all reactionary, and everyone will forget if we have another 8+ win season. If we don't, then let's revisit. Until then I'm fine with this.
 

if what I read is accurate, Kirk C was the 8th-highest paid OC in the B1G - before the new contracts kicked in.

on "prior relationships" - if a buddy calls you up and offers you a job for more money, you're going to listen. If the offer includes a lot more money, you're going to listen very closely. as an assistant coach, you would really have to love your current job to turn down an offer to work with a friend for more money.

that is how football works - you hire people you know or have worked with in the past.

and - while I will stipulate the Gophers have improved under Fleck - it's been 6 years and the best season had them finishing as co-champions of the West division - but not playing in the championship game.

maybe - just maybe - some of these assistants think they can do better somewhere else.
 


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