Devoe is the future at PG

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Devoe showing again why is the future at PG for this team, knocking down shots, making things happen.

I do think Nolen is a great defender, but provides virutally no threat at all offensively. He missed the first shot of the game by 2 feet.

Devoe is prone to some turnovers, but I think that has a lot to do with being a freshman and getting comfortable in the system.
 

Agree 100% Devoe may have the best offensively rounded game on the team and he is only a freshman, he will have a big jump next year.
 

Nolan

Right now Nolan is a much better PG. Devoe brings a lot of energy and spark, but Nolan is still a better PG right now.
 

He provides zero shooting threat tho on a team that struggles to score
 

I really liked what I saw from Devoe today. I am excited for his future!
 


Four more TOs tonight for Devoe. While he has a great future (at SG), he's the perfect example of everything that's wrong with this team.
 

Jeez have any of you played basketball? Scoring is not one of the point guards priorities. I guess Chester Frazier for Illinois is a horrible point guard because he brings no scoring threat. Distributing the ball, breaking the press, playing defense. Those are the three most important things a PG can do. Sure Nolen is in a slump, but let's be realistic here

Devoe is a scoring threat, so he should play 2! If Devoe is the future at PG it will be a shame. He should be a great 2-guard by the end of his time here.
 

Very much agreed Big L. The PG role isn't to score 15+ a game..it's to set up an offense, play good D, etc. Joseph looks like he'll be a solid contributor, but at the 2 spot. His ability to bring up the ball will only help him down the road though.
 

Disagree.

Devoe is our future starting SG. I think all around, this is his position. I really like him as a player, but I think he would be much better at the 2. I think at least for this year and next year he'll play 1-2-3 depending on the teams needs. I think if we had another suitable backup PG, he might play a lot more at the 2.
 



Yes future SG for sure, the kid is not a PG. Ive been high on him the last several games for his offense and quickness.
 

Devoe doesn't have the mind of PG. He's a scorer. Yes, he's doing a great job backing up Nolen, but he's a 2 guard at heart. He needs to play his natural position. He's so versatile that he can play the point, but this is not where he belongs. Once Cobb gets here next year, we're going to see Devoe at his natural spot and he'll blossom even more!
 

THe thing to remember is that this team doesn't have a lot of real scoring threats. The only real offensive minded players we have are Joseph and maybe Bostick. Nobody else ever really looks to score. For a PG like Nolen this doesn't give him a lot of options. How much better will he look next year when he can kick to more seasoned and confident Carter, Bostick and Joseph or an aggressive Royce White?
 

anticallihan has it right, Devoe is at his best not playing PG. He had two easy hoops tonight simply cutting, catching and shooting. We should see more of Al and De J on the court at the same time. I love Westbrook's moxie, but Joseph has length and adds better movement away from the ball. We need to improve in half court sets and Joseph might help get that done. Tubby has some decisions to make regarding Carter and Joseph, also meaning Westbrook and Iverson.
 



ok well maybe the problem isn't Nolen scoring but when he is on the court that is yet another position that we get no offense from. I liked that Tubby had Nolen and Joseph on the court together for a good time tonite. I believe Nolen is lucky we don't have another option right now because I feel his min would be drastically down.
 

The Big L said:
Jeez have any of you played basketball? Scoring is not one of the point guards priorities. I guess Chester Frazier for Illinois is a horrible point guard because he brings no scoring threat. Distributing the ball, breaking the press, playing defense. Those are the three most important things a PG can do. Sure Nolen is in a slump, but let's be realistic here

Devoe is a scoring threat, so he should play 2! If Devoe is the future at PG it will be a shame. He should be a great 2-guard by the end of his time here.
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Can you tell me why Nolen consistantly passes up throwing the ball inside to the bigs while they're posted up? A good point guard should get it in there.
 

when our guards are shooting the ball as bad as ours are we are gonna need points from somewhere, might as well be the PG
 

Quick -- somebody tell Carter to look to score!

oleboy41 said:
THe thing to remember is that this team doesn't have a lot of real scoring threats. The only real offensive minded players we have are Joseph and maybe Bostick. Nobody else ever really looks to score.
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Somehow Carter scored 22 points tonight ... just think what he could do if he just "really looks to score." ;)
 

Who says a pg is not supposed to score...it is the threat that they can score that makes them a better pg, imo.

Stockton of the near past, Nash (2 - MVPs), roy, devin harris, chris paul and the future stud pg Derrick rose are all scoring pgs and all make their teams better with scoring and passing.

The fact that these point guards score make them better point guards because defenses must defend them as a shooter which opens driving lanes, passing lanes and makes the pick and roll a dangerous play.

The reason Al Nolan has not been able to get our half court offense to work is because other teams don't have to defend his shot...you can see the lack of step out by bigs on screens that allow them to cut off the roll after the pick EVERY TIME. The fact that Nolan doesn't attack the pick and turn toward the basket EVER so he does't force the help defense from the wing so that our shooters like hoffarber, westbrook and bostick are open and he doesn't have a 10 foot pull up jumper (see 3 airballs last night) that force help defense to open up the baseline for easy jams.

Essentially a lack of scoring is not the problem from the pg position for us, it is an inability to score that causes the problems. We are OK in transition but lousy in the half court and I believe we are a better half court team with a scoring pg...good news is Cobbs is a scoring pg so Devoe can play the 2 next year and we can get the best of both worlds.

IMO, if Nolan doesn't develop a shot, he will be a defensive specialist and a role player on this team in two years.
 

MNSnowman said:
Somehow Carter scored 22 points tonight ... just think what he could do if he just "really looks to score." ;)
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Yea Carter was aggressive tonight but he hasn't been aggressive consistently this year. Nobody has except Westbrook and Bostick. Joseph and Carter are getting more and more aggressive as they get comfortable playing more
 

Devoe has really been our best guard the last 2-3 games, but you can see he feels much more comfortable at the 2. The way we are scoring we may have no choice but to play Al and Devoe together.
 

Not ready for PG just yet

I really like what Devoe brings when he's on the floor but you can tell he just doesn't have the handle for PG right now.

You can tell the opponent knows that right now as well. Particularly against Illinois, I think it was Chester Frazier; against Nolen bringing the ball across halfcourt, Frazier gave Nolen a little room, respecting his quickness, ball-handling, and ability to drive. Against Devoe a number of times, Frazier was right up in his face, clearly not respecting his ball-handling whatsoever, and made Devoe really uncomfortable.

The kid can score though. For how few minutes he plays, he's actually one of the few players I'm already comfortable with when he shoots and am not wincing when the ball's in the air.
 

sal said:
anticallihan has it right, Devoe is at his best not playing PG. He had two easy hoops tonight simply cutting, catching and shooting. We should see more of Al and De J on the court at the same time. I love Westbrook's moxie, but Joseph has length and adds better movement away from the ball. We need to improve in half court sets and Joseph might help get that done. Tubby has some decisions to make regarding Carter and Joseph, also meaning Westbrook and Iverson.
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Agreed.
 

Devoe has showed alot for being a freshman with limited minutes. I cant wait until this team is all Tuby recruits. Dont get me wrong Damian Johnson is the man, but Monson couldnt recruit. I have been looking at the offers we have made so far for the class of 2010 and there are only a few for PG, the top prospect commited to Wisconsin already. I think we definetly need to try and get a top notch PG. I know we got Cobbs coming in next year but we will see I guess.
 

I believe that Joseph will be the most successful at the 2 position. With a good point guard a long side of him, Joseph should get quite a few shot attempts per game. With that said....he can also push the ball up the floor on fast breaks. Some of the gophers best runs this season have came when Joseph pushed the ball up the floor.
 

maliksealy said:
Devoe showing again why is the future at PG for this team, knocking down shots, making things happen.

I do think Nolen is a great defender, but provides virutally no threat at all offensively. He missed the first shot of the game by 2 feet.

Devoe is prone to some turnovers, but I think that has a lot to do with being a freshman and getting comfortable in the system.
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Agreed.
 

Nolen

Nolen doesn't have to score 15 a game to be effective, but he does have to be a threat! Right now he is really hurting the team. That being said, his form on his jumper is good and he can get to the basket at will (although he can't finish). I look forward to him improving his scoring ability and being a much improved player next year.
 

I'd like to see him shoot it once in a while. If he is even a threat to score (defined as throwing the ball in the general direction of the basket) the defender would at least have to inch up on him a bit. There are so Kevin Payton qualities developing that are not good for anyone.
 

Starters

PG: Nolan
SG: Joseph
SF: Johnson
PF: Carter
C: Sampson
 

What's missing from this thread is the fact that this year's Gophers are in dire need of a second perimeter threat on the court. Starting Joseph at the 2, replacing Westbrook, still leaves the Gophers with only one perimeter shooter. Starting Joseph at PG beside Westbrook gives them a perimeter shooter at each back court spot.

With the current roster, the only other way I see to get another perimeter threat on the floor is to go with Hoffarber in a three guard lineup, but that move costs the Gophers some defense and rebounding.
 

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