Big Ten 5*'s?

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Anybody have any thoughts on this?? The Big Ten signed 1 5* (Mich St) according to rivals. 1! The highest ranked Big Ten team (again, according to rivals) is Penn State with over 1800 points, which would be 6th in the SEC. In fact in order to get out of the 1000's in points in the SEC you have to get down to the #10 team Arkansas (sorry DH).

These kids are coming into high school somewhere around the 2006- 2007 season. Did the big ten big stage performance taint the reputation that much to this generation of athletes???

What are the thoughts of the board?
 

Thoughts on this??? I'm pretty curious as to what people think. Big Ten Network have any blame here??
 

It was not a good year recruiting for the Big Ten by any means. By my count the Big Ten states had six 5-star players, and only one of them is going to a Big Ten school. The others left for USC (2), LSU, Texas, West Virginia. The poor reputation for the Big Ten over the past couple of seasons probably has something to do with it. But if that's the case it should improve next year after the good bowl season we had.
 

ruralgopher said:
Anybody have any thoughts on this?? The Big Ten signed 1 5* (Mich St) according to rivals. 1! The highest ranked Big Ten team (again, according to rivals) is Penn State with over 1800 points, which would be 6th in the SEC. In fact in order to get out of the 1000's in points in the SEC you have to get down to the #10 team Arkansas (sorry DH).

These kids are coming into high school somewhere around the 2006- 2007 season. Did the big ten big stage performance taint the reputation that much to this generation of athletes???

What are the thoughts of the board?
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That is pretty surprising and concerning, at least in terms of conference rep. However, it is a bit comforting in terms of our own ability to compete for a conf title!

I think it's too early to tell whether the historical "cycle" of conferences going up and down simply continues, or whether there really is a lasting trend of the south and southwest playing better football and getting better players. There are a couple factors pointing the latter direction, though. As long as the bowl games (or college playoff) is played in the south and cali, they'll always have an advantage on the field, and an advantage on the field translates to an advantage in recruiting, which then yields better results on the field, and so on. Also, it's no secret the south has always had more good athletes, and as the game has evolved into a speed game it suits the southern teams both in terms of the climate they play in and the athletes they have. And this isn't the 1960's anymore...it's tougher for northern schools to recruit black kids out of the south.
 

it is entirely possible that BCS football is cycling away from academic institutions similar to the turn of the 19th to 20th century when the Ivy Leagues failed to continue to compete with the Big Ten and IND e.g. Notre Dame.
 


WanderingGopher said:
Also, it's no secret the south has always had more good athletes, and as the game has evolved into a speed game it suits the southern teams both in terms of the climate they play in and the athletes they have. And this isn't the 1960's anymore...it's tougher for northern schools to recruit black kids out of the south.
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Couldn't agree more. It's a speed game now. Personally, I think it's lasting trend that is here to stay.

Find a population (not population density) map of African Americans in the US an overlay an SEC team map. This will hit home pretty quickly.

4 and 5 stars choose SEC because:
  • Proximity: Close to home
  • Pride: Play for the Local Team
  • Comfort and Production: Weather
  • Banking on Future: Proven NFL-producing schools
  • On and on and on...
 

Maybe the players became five-stars because of interest from SEC schools, or the perception that players from the South are better, faster, stronger etc..
 

When are you people going to realize that it's about success ON the football field, not what some recruiting service says about 16, 17, and 18 year old kids!!! How on earth did Ohio State beat Oregon, Penn State beat LSU, Iowa beat Georgia Tech, and Wisconsin beat Miami????
 

His question wasn't about success on the field, it was about 5 star recruits to the BigTen and SEC
 



MNBadgerGuy said:
When are you people going to realize that it's about success ON the football field, not what some recruiting service says about 16, 17, and 18 year old kids!!! How on earth did Ohio State beat Oregon, Penn State beat LSU, Iowa beat Georgia Tech, and Wisconsin beat Miami????
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Please show us where anyone said, or even insinuated, that on-field success is not important? Thanks in advance!

You can go ahead and stick your head in the sand, and ignore the mass exodus of players from the north into southern schools, and, in kind, the lack of southern players going to northern schools. I, for one, will not. But thanks for stopping by, Mr. "Zero National Championships"!
 

Kind of on topic. Very interesting interactive about players to the NFL by high school, by college state, and by conference

NFL Draft Interactive
 

South more dedicated to football

The South is getting better players, because the culture is one that embraces football in a way that Minnesota and most eastern, northern and western states will not. My cousin is a football coach down south and played for a nationally ranked high school football team. When you have 18,000 fans showing up for games in a town with a popupulation of 20,000 you know it is more then just a game. He talks about how many schools in the south allow certain classes to be "football" teaching classes - just labeled as somethingi different but everyone knows only football players can be a part of (examples he gave: tennis, golf, all ph.ed classes but where only football is gone over) where they review tapes, go over the play book, lift wieghts, do light coaching drills. Getting an extra hour every day to learn the game, on top of playing better competition, having spring practice - creates an enviroment where good atletes can become great high school players and go on to college. The talent pool is so deep down there because they have way more resources to produce top player because football is priority #1 for many of these community and school. It is not about better athletes as it is a system that creates smarter football players and turns good athletes into great ones.
 

wait!what? said:
it is entirely possible that BCS football is cycling away from academic institutions similar to the turn of the 19th to 20th century when the Ivy Leagues failed to continue to compete with the Big Ten and IND e.g. Notre Dame.
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It's pretty well known that SEC schools are generally much easier to get into (from an academic standpoint) and this certainly hurts a conference like the Big Ten. Maybe this is way off base but it seems like you hear more and more about players not being accepted into certain schools every year. Obviously that would help a school like Auburn or Alabama that can pick up recruits who originally commit to a Big Ten school (or any other school that has higher minimums).
 



MNBadgerGuy said:
When are you people going to realize that it's about success ON the football field, not what some recruiting service says about 16, 17, and 18 year old kids!!! How on earth did Ohio State beat Oregon, Penn State beat LSU, Iowa beat Georgia Tech, and Wisconsin beat Miami????
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I think it is safe to say that recruiting in general effects the product on the field. If not BB wouldn't make a point to say he considers MN in state recruiting. In fact, why recruit outside of WI at all if it doesn't matter?
 

The Big Ten is just not as good as us Big Ten People like to think it is. Ohio State getting embarrassed in bowl games has not helped. The Big Ten also plays a boring style of football. I remember just a few years ago watching the Michigan Ohio State game and it nearly bored me to death. This is suppose to be the premiere game in the Big Ten and it is boring.
 

ruralgopher said:
I think it is safe to say that recruiting in general effects the product on the field. If not BB wouldn't make a point to say he considers MN in state recruiting. In fact, why recruit outside of WI at all if it doesn't matter?
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Recruiting absolutely is near the top of the list of what is important in college football. What is meaningless is what some service thinks about the kids you are recruiting.

As for the question in the thread, the majority of the 5 star players live in the south and west and that is where they go to school. Not that hard to figure out.
 

GVBadger said:
As for the question in the thread, the majority of the 5 star players live in the south and west and that is where they go to school. Not that hard to figure out.
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Actually, it is that hard to figure out.

Out of the 25 5-star players on Rivals, 7 were from Big Ten states. Of those 7, 1 went to a Big Ten school.

They could have gone to Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St, or any other Big Ten school. Six of them went to SEC, Big East, Big 12, and Pac 10 schools.

Explain that one away.
 

There are about 5 - 10 schools that get 5 star recruits. That is all. Out of the 100 and some schools in the country, 5 star recruits only go to 5-10 of them. It is extremely rare that Michigan and Ohio State does not get a five star guy.

Rare year. That is all.
 

The original poster is making a good point that is reflective of the current state of college football. I hope it is not lost on people.

The "New South", with more money, better infrastructure, and better universities, is more inviting than it used to be for athletes who are from there. The traditional Frost Belt football powers have a more difficult time competing for a share of the Southern talent pool than they used to. This is simple fact. The absolute choice jobs are no longer Michigan, ND, and Nebraska. If you are a young and talented coach, you drool over a job at Florida, Alabama, and LSU. Ohio State was the last "Northern" school to win a title (Jan 2003), and I don't know if it will happen again any time soon.
 

dpodoll68 said:
Actually, it is that hard to figure out.

Out of the 25 5-star players on Rivals, 7 were from Big Ten states. Of those 7, 1 went to a Big Ten school.

They could have gone to Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St, or any other Big Ten school. Six of them went to SEC, Big East, Big 12, and Pac 10 schools.

Explain that one away.
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2009 there were 3 and they all went to Big 10 schools.
2008 there were 6 and 3 went to Big 10 schools. The other three all went to schools in the region. 1 other went to OSU from Florida.
2007 there were 4 and 2 went to Big 10 schools. One was the top rated offensive lineman in the country. He went to Wisconsin. 1 other went to Michigan from California.
2006 there were 4 and 3 went to Big 10 schools. The other went to a school in the region. 2 went to Big 10 schools from outside the region.
2005 there were 5 and 4 went to Big 10 schools. 1 other went to a Big 10 school from outside the region.

In summary, over the last 6 recruiting cycles, there were 29 5 star players in the Big 10 region.
16 of them went to Big Ten schools. 5 additional went to Big 10 schools from outside the region.

Not counting 2010, 15 of the 22 went to Big Ten schools, 68%.

In 2010, it was 14%. Of the 6 that didn't., I know that Hicks did not move to Ohio until the 6th grade so he felt no allegiance. Henderson is from here, so that is not surprising. Don't have answers on the other 4.

Does not look like a trend to me.

29 5 stars out of roughly 180 players over 6 years from the region should tell you all you need to know about ranking high school football players.
 

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