BleedGopher
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What is the argument against them at this point? In past decades cost could be argued I suppose but it's pretty easy to implement now.One game out of 500,000 played across the country in a year does not mean we need a shot clock. If you are in favor of a shot clock there are much better arguments than this one.
What is the argument against them at this point? In past decades cost could be argued I suppose but it's pretty easy to implement now.
On #2, it doesn't have to be 30 seconds. It can be 45 seconds or even a minute, so it wouldn't require anyone to change their style of play unless they're doing BS like this.I'm not totally against it and I know others will blast what I am going to say but my two biggest arguments are:
1. Money. To do this nationwide would cost close to $37,500,000 annually. 15,000 schools x 2 to account for boys and girls, x $50 per game to operate x 25 games per year. This doesn't count the cost of installation which I am totally guessing at $2,500 per gym. That's another $37,500,000.
2. Strategy. Personally, this is my main reason for not wanting it. All jokes aside, high school coaches don't get to recruit the type of kid they want in their program. A high school coach needs to be flexible on what they do. One year they have size, other years they don't. I don't think they should be forced into a certain style. To me it's no different than requiring every team to full court press the whole game. Don't take a tool away from a coach that needs it to win.
This isn't a problem that needs a $75,000,000 fix. I would much rather see those funds used in the chemistry class or making sure all kids get iPads in the school or whatever other needs there are in school.
But that number gets divided up among all 15,000 schools. It's not like one entity has to come up with over $37M.I'm not totally against it and I know others will blast what I am going to say but my two biggest arguments are:
1. Money. To do this nationwide would cost close to $37,500,000 annually. 15,000 schools x 2 to account for boys and girls, x $50 per game to operate x 25 games per year. This doesn't count the cost of installation which I am totally guessing at $2,500 per gym. That's another $37,500,000.
95% of games that it won’t be a factor. It’ll become an issue because of it not being ran correctly. You’ll see stoppages for that. I think you could just make a stalling rule instead.And some of you have touched on the other issue; it just doesn't come into play all that often. It's an expense that doesn't fix a whole lot and MANY games won't be a factor at all.
That could work too. You could simply say that the refs have the discretion to give a team a warning if they hold the ball for more than a minute and if they do it again, declare a technical foul and a turnover every time they do it.95% of games that it won’t be a factor. It’ll become an issue because of it not being ran correctly. You’ll see stoppages for that. I think you could just make a stalling rule instead.
Spot on it’s going to create more headaches than it’s worth imo. There is a reason why ADs pushed back on it for so longas noted above, schools will have to pay someone to run the shot clock. that can vary from school to school. I do the PA duties for home games at my local school, and I get $30 a game. I would guess the other workers at the scorers table get the same. (but I don't know that for a fact...)
and yes, the person running the clock needs to know what they're doing. the MN rules are a lot simpler than the college rules on resets. in college, you have a lot of partial resets, but in HS, it's almost always a full reset.
as I said, I worked a holiday tournament with the shot clock. our clock operator was a former head coach. In 8 games I think we had 1 or 2 instances where the clock was not reset properly. One was a missed shot where the clock operator thought it hit the rim, but the refs ruled that it did not hit the rim, which is a bang-bang judgement call.