A mid-December look at top 75 in the NET rankings

[SelectionSunday]

The top 75 teams in the current NET rankings, and who and how many of the top 75 they've defeated. Let's take a look. Generally speaking, I consider teams in the top 75 to be of NCAA Tournament or close-to-it caliber.

6 Wins Over Top 75
#4 Purdue -- vs. #8 Marquette, vs. #10 Alabama, vs. #12 Tennessee, vs. #33 Gonzaga, #68 Xavier, #69 Iowa

4 Wins Over Top 75
#11 Clemson -- @ #10 Alabama, #28 South Carolina, @ #42 Pitt, vs. #53 TCU
#14 FAU -- vs. #23 Texas A&M, #51 Liberty, vs. #57 Butler, vs. #59 Virginia Tech
#21 Colorado State -- vs. #9 Creighton, #36 Colorado, #44 Louisiana Tech, vs. #56 Washington

3 Wins Over Top 75
#2 Houston -- vs. #32 Utah, vs. #47 Dayton, @ #68 Xavier
#8 Marquette -- vs. #16 Kansas, @ #18 Illinois, #62 Texas
#12 Tennessee -- #18 Illinois, @ #19 Wisconsin, #60 George Mason
#16 Kansas -- #6 UConn, vs. #12 Tennessee, vs. #38 Kentucky
#19 Wisconsin -- #8 Marquette, vs. #20 Virginia, vs. #75 SMU
#23 Texas A&M -- vs. #7 Iowa State, @ #34 Ohio State, @ #75 SMU
#37 Grand Canyon -- #29 San Diego State, vs. #50 San Francisco, vs. #51 Liberty
#46 Villanova -- vs. #35 North Carolina, vs. #40 Memphis, vs. #72 Texas Tech

2 Wins Over Top 75
#1 Arizona -- #19 Wisconsin, @ #26 Duke
#3 BYU -- #29 San Diego State, vs. #55 NC State
#5 Baylor -- vs. #17 Auburn, vs. #43 Florida
#6 UConn -- vs. #35 North Carolina, vs. #62 Texas
#9 Creighton -- #69 Iowa, @ #70 Nebraska
#10 Alabama -- #13 Indiana State, vs. #52 Oregon
#15 Oklahoma -- #58 Providence, vs, #69 Iowa
#17 Auburn -- #59 Virginia Tech, vs. #66 Saint Bonaventure
#20 Virginia -- #23 Texas A&M, vs. #43 Florida
#28 South Carolina -- vs. #37 Grand Canyon, vs. #59 Virginia Tech
#29 San Diego State -- vs. #56 Washington, #65 UC-Irvine
#38 Kentucky -- #54 Miami, #61 Saint Joseph's
#40 Memphis -- @ #23 Texas A&M, vs. #64 Michigan
#47 Dayton -- vs. #67 Saint John's, @ #75 SMU
#56 Washington -- #33 Gonzaga, vs. #68 Xavier
#61 Saint Joseph's -- #22 Princeton, @ #46 Villanova
#63 Ole Miss -- #40 Memphis, #55 NC State
#64 Michigan -- @ #67 Saint John's, @ #69 Iowa
#71 Kansas State -- #46 Villanova, vs. #58 Providence

1 Win Over Top 75
#7 Iowa State -- #69 Iowa
#18 Illinois -- vs. #14 FAU
#22 Princeton -- @ #74 Duquesne
#24 New Mexico -- #44 Louisiana Tech
#31 Utah State -- #65 UC-Irvine
#32 Utah -- #3 BYU
#34 Ohio State -- vs. #10 Alabama
#35 North Carolina -- #12 Tennessee
#36 Colorado -- vs. #54 Miami
#39 Mississippi State -- vs. #27 Washington State
#43 Florida -- vs. #42 Pitt
#44 Louisiana Tech -- #41 McNeese State
#45 Appalachian State -- #17 Auburn
#48 Nevada -- @ #56 Washington
#49 Drake -- vs. #48 Nevada
#50 San Francisco -- #73 Purdue Fort Wayne
#52 Oregon -- #64 Michigan
#54 Miami -- vs. #71 Kansas State
#57 Butler -- #72 Texas Tech
#58 Providence -- #19 Wisconsin
#59 Virginia Tech -- vs. #7 Iowa State
#67 Saint John's -- vs. #32 Utah
#68 Xavier -- #25 Cincinnati
#70 Nebraska -- #74 Duquesne
#72 Texas Tech -- vs. #64 Michigan
#74 Duquesne -- #65 UC-Irvine

Zero Wins Over Top 75
#13 Indiana State
#25 Cincinnati
#26 Duke
#27 Washington State
#30 James Madison
#33 Gonzaga
#41 McNeese State
#42 Pitt
#51 Liberty
#53 TCU
#55 NC State
#60 George Mason
#62 Texas
#65 UC-Irvine
#66 Saint Bonaventure
#69 Iowa
#73 Purdue Fort Wayne
#75 SMU

 

[formerlybis]

The top 75 teams in the current NET rankings, and who and how many of the top 75 they've defeated. Let's take a look. Generally speaking, I consider teams in the top 75 to be of NCAA Tournament or close-to-it caliber.

6 Wins Over Top 75
#4 Purdue -- vs. #8 Marquette, vs. #10 Alabama, vs. #12 Tennessee, vs. #33 Gonzaga, #68 Xavier, #69 Iowa

4 Wins Over Top 75
#11 Clemson -- @ #10 Alabama, #28 South Carolina, @ #42 Pitt, vs. #53 TCU
#14 FAU -- vs. #23 Texas A&M, #51 Liberty, vs. #57 Butler, vs. #59 Virginia Tech
#21 Colorado State -- vs. #9 Creighton, #36 Colorado, #44 Louisiana Tech, vs. #56 Washington

3 Wins Over Top 75
#2 Houston -- vs. #32 Utah, vs. #47 Dayton, @ #68 Xavier
#8 Marquette -- vs. #16 Kansas, @ #18 Illinois, #62 Texas
#12 Tennessee -- #18 Illinois, @ #19 Wisconsin, #60 George Mason
#16 Kansas -- #6 UConn, vs. #12 Tennessee, vs. #38 Kentucky
#19 Wisconsin -- #8 Marquette, vs. #20 Virginia, vs. #75 SMU
#23 Texas A&M -- vs. #7 Iowa State, @ #34 Ohio State, @ #75 SMU
#37 Grand Canyon -- #29 San Diego State, vs. #50 San Francisco, vs. #51 Liberty
#46 Villanova -- vs. #35 North Carolina, vs. #40 Memphis, vs. #72 Texas Tech

2 Wins Over Top 75
#1 Arizona -- #19 Wisconsin, @ #26 Duke
#3 BYU -- #29 San Diego State, vs. #55 NC State
#5 Baylor -- vs. #17 Auburn, vs. #43 Florida
#6 UConn -- vs. #35 North Carolina, vs. #62 Texas
#9 Creighton -- #69 Iowa, @ #70 Nebraska
#10 Alabama -- #13 Indiana State, vs. #52 Oregon
#15 Oklahoma -- #58 Providence, vs, #69 Iowa
#17 Auburn -- #59 Virginia Tech, vs. #66 Saint Bonaventure
#20 Virginia -- #23 Texas A&M, vs. #43 Florida
#28 South Carolina -- vs. #37 Grand Canyon, vs. #59 Virginia Tech
#29 San Diego State -- vs. #56 Washington, #65 UC-Irvine
#38 Kentucky -- #54 Miami, #61 Saint Joseph's
#40 Memphis -- @ #23 Texas A&M, vs. #64 Michigan
#47 Dayton -- vs. #67 Saint John's, @ #75 SMU
#56 Washington -- #33 Gonzaga, vs. #68 Xavier
#61 Saint Joseph's -- #22 Princeton, @ #46 Villanova
#63 Ole Miss -- #40 Memphis, #55 NC State
#64 Michigan -- @ #67 Saint John's, @ #69 Iowa
#71 Kansas State -- #46 Villanova, vs. #58 Providence

1 Win Over Top 75
#7 Iowa State -- #69 Iowa
#18 Illinois -- vs. #14 FAU
#22 Princeton -- @ #74 Duquesne
#24 New Mexico -- #44 Louisiana Tech
#31 Utah State -- #65 UC-Irvine
#32 Utah -- #3 BYU
#34 Ohio State -- vs. #10 Alabama
#35 North Carolina -- #12 Tennessee
#36 Colorado -- vs. #54 Miami
#39 Mississippi State -- vs. #27 Washington State
#43 Florida -- vs. #42 Pitt
#44 Louisiana Tech -- #41 McNeese State
#45 Appalachian State -- #17 Auburn
#48 Nevada -- @ #56 Washington
#49 Drake -- vs. #48 Nevada
#50 San Francisco -- #73 Purdue Fort Wayne
#52 Oregon -- #64 Michigan
#54 Miami -- vs. #71 Kansas State
#57 Butler -- #72 Texas Tech
#58 Providence -- #19 Wisconsin
#59 Virginia Tech -- vs. #7 Iowa State
#67 Saint John's -- vs. #32 Utah
#68 Xavier -- #25 Cincinnati
#70 Nebraska -- #74 Duquesne
#72 Texas Tech -- vs. #64 Michigan
#74 Duquesne -- #65 UC-Irvine

Zero Wins Over Top 75
#13 Indiana State
#25 Cincinnati
#26 Duke
#27 Washington State
#30 James Madison
#33 Gonzaga
#41 McNeese State
#42 Pitt
#51 Liberty
#53 TCU
#55 NC State
#60 George Mason
#62 Texas
#65 UC-Irvine
#66 Saint Bonaventure
#69 Iowa
#73 Purdue Fort Wayne
#75 SMU

This is nice work, but top 75 is not the same as quad 1. That's defined this way:

Home: 1-30
Neutral: 1-50
Away: 1-75

I went through and made quad 2 wins red. Sorry, Kentucky and Auburn.

 

[SelectionSunday]

This is nice work, but top 75 is not the same as quad 1. That's defined this way:

Home: 1-30
Neutral: 1-50
Away: 1-75

I went through and made quad 2 wins red. Sorry, Kentucky and Auburn.

I’m familiar with the quad system. Thanks for the tutorial!

 

[TwistingMyMelon]

The top 75 teams in the current NET rankings, and who and how many of the top 75 they've defeated. Let's take a look. Generally speaking, I consider teams in the top 75 to be of NCAA Tournament or close-to-it caliber.

6 Wins Over Top 75
#4 Purdue -- vs. #8 Marquette, vs. #10 Alabama, vs. #12 Tennessee, vs. #33 Gonzaga, #68 Xavier, #69 Iowa

4 Wins Over Top 75
#11 Clemson -- @ #10 Alabama, #28 South Carolina, @ #42 Pitt, vs. #53 TCU
#14 FAU -- vs. #23 Texas A&M, #51 Liberty, vs. #57 Butler, vs. #59 Virginia Tech
#21 Colorado State -- vs. #9 Creighton, #36 Colorado, #44 Louisiana Tech, vs. #56 Washington

3 Wins Over Top 75
#2 Houston -- vs. #32 Utah, vs. #47 Dayton, @ #68 Xavier
#8 Marquette -- vs. #16 Kansas, @ #18 Illinois, #62 Texas
#12 Tennessee -- #18 Illinois, @ #19 Wisconsin, #60 George Mason
#16 Kansas -- #6 UConn, vs. #12 Tennessee, vs. #38 Kentucky
#19 Wisconsin -- #8 Marquette, vs. #20 Virginia, vs. #75 SMU
#23 Texas A&M -- vs. #7 Iowa State, @ #34 Ohio State, @ #75 SMU
#37 Grand Canyon -- #29 San Diego State, vs. #50 San Francisco, vs. #51 Liberty
#46 Villanova -- vs. #35 North Carolina, vs. #40 Memphis, vs. #72 Texas Tech

2 Wins Over Top 75
#1 Arizona -- #19 Wisconsin, @ #26 Duke
#3 BYU -- #29 San Diego State, vs. #55 NC State
#5 Baylor -- vs. #17 Auburn, vs. #43 Florida
#6 UConn -- vs. #35 North Carolina, vs. #62 Texas
#9 Creighton -- #69 Iowa, @ #70 Nebraska
#10 Alabama -- #13 Indiana State, vs. #52 Oregon
#15 Oklahoma -- #58 Providence, vs, #69 Iowa
#17 Auburn -- #59 Virginia Tech, vs. #66 Saint Bonaventure
#20 Virginia -- #23 Texas A&M, vs. #43 Florida
#28 South Carolina -- vs. #37 Grand Canyon, vs. #59 Virginia Tech
#29 San Diego State -- vs. #56 Washington, #65 UC-Irvine
#38 Kentucky -- #54 Miami, #61 Saint Joseph's
#40 Memphis -- @ #23 Texas A&M, vs. #64 Michigan
#47 Dayton -- vs. #67 Saint John's, @ #75 SMU
#56 Washington -- #33 Gonzaga, vs. #68 Xavier
#61 Saint Joseph's -- #22 Princeton, @ #46 Villanova
#63 Ole Miss -- #40 Memphis, #55 NC State
#64 Michigan -- @ #67 Saint John's, @ #69 Iowa
#71 Kansas State -- #46 Villanova, vs. #58 Providence

1 Win Over Top 75
#7 Iowa State -- #69 Iowa
#18 Illinois -- vs. #14 FAU
#22 Princeton -- @ #74 Duquesne
#24 New Mexico -- #44 Louisiana Tech
#31 Utah State -- #65 UC-Irvine
#32 Utah -- #3 BYU
#34 Ohio State -- vs. #10 Alabama
#35 North Carolina -- #12 Tennessee
#36 Colorado -- vs. #54 Miami
#39 Mississippi State -- vs. #27 Washington State
#43 Florida -- vs. #42 Pitt
#44 Louisiana Tech -- #41 McNeese State
#45 Appalachian State -- #17 Auburn
#48 Nevada -- @ #56 Washington
#49 Drake -- vs. #48 Nevada
#50 San Francisco -- #73 Purdue Fort Wayne
#52 Oregon -- #64 Michigan
#54 Miami -- vs. #71 Kansas State
#57 Butler -- #72 Texas Tech
#58 Providence -- #19 Wisconsin
#59 Virginia Tech -- vs. #7 Iowa State
#67 Saint John's -- vs. #32 Utah
#68 Xavier -- #25 Cincinnati
#70 Nebraska -- #74 Duquesne
#72 Texas Tech -- vs. #64 Michigan
#74 Duquesne -- #65 UC-Irvine

Zero Wins Over Top 75
#13 Indiana State
#25 Cincinnati
#26 Duke
#27 Washington State
#30 James Madison
#33 Gonzaga
#41 McNeese State
#42 Pitt
#51 Liberty
#53 TCU
#55 NC State
#60 George Mason
#62 Texas
#65 UC-Irvine
#66 Saint Bonaventure
#69 Iowa
#73 Purdue Fort Wayne
#75 SMU

FAU doing its best this season to show that last year's record wasn't a fluke. San Francisco was called a crappy team by some meatheads on this site because they lost to Grand Canyon but I don't suppose those people will consider your breakdown. Interesting that Gonzaga is one of the top 75 that hasn't beaten a member of the top 75. Historically, this was the time of the regular season where they got their bigger wins.

 

[Gopherbbdude]

FAU doing its best this season to show that last year's record wasn't a fluke. San Francisco was called a crappy team by some meatheads on this site because they lost to Grand Canyon but I don't suppose those people will consider your breakdown. Interesting that Gonzaga is one of the top 75 that hasn't beaten a member of the top 75. Historically, this was the time of the regular season where they got their bigger wins.

San Fran is a quality team.

 

[rivergopher]

FAU doing its best this season to show that last year's record wasn't a fluke. San Francisco was called a crappy team by some meatheads on this site because they lost to Grand Canyon but I don't suppose those people will consider your breakdown. Interesting that Gonzaga is one of the top 75 that hasn't beaten a member of the top 75. Historically, this was the time of the regular season where they got their bigger wins.

Because they beat Indiana #73 Fort Wayne? Look out. Play a real team Saturday, lets see how that goes, my guess is they will lose by 15+ and not a home game for Utah State Got beat soundly by a bad Arizona State. Probably NIT is the ceiling people were acting like we lost to a sweet 16 team.

 

[Gophers7633]

FAU doing its best this season to show that last year's record wasn't a fluke. San Francisco was called a crappy team by some meatheads on this site because they lost to Grand Canyon but I don't suppose those people will consider your breakdown. Interesting that Gonzaga is one of the top 75 that hasn't beaten a member of the top 75. Historically, this was the time of the regular season where they got their bigger wins.

I don't think anyone called them crappy, they just aren't a good team. They aren't going to make the tournament, despite having, at this point, a decent NET ranking.

 

[TwistingMyMelon]

Because they beat Indiana #73 Fort Wayne? Look out.

No, schmuck, because Grand Canyon obviously is a pretty good team and losing to them certainly doesn't say you are bad; 3 wins over Top 75 teams.

 

[TwistingMyMelon]

I don't think anyone called them crappy, they just aren't a good team. They aren't going to make the tournament, despite having, at this point, a decent NET ranking.

So, you can tell the future now? Talk about delusions of grandeur.

 

[rivergopher]

No, schmuck, because Grand Canyon obviously is a pretty good team and losing to them certainly doesn't say you are bad; 3 wins over Top 75 teams.

Down go the mighty Dons again. Still with that one great win against Purdue Fort Wayne. (which will not be a top 75 win by seasons end) But they have some good loses! I cannot wait to watch them in the 3rd round of the CBI. WCC is a 1 bid league this year. That great loss to Grand Canyon you have got to be kidding me. Moral victories against Grand Canyon. Their resume right now does not even put them in the first or next 4 out.

 

[Duker]

I’m familiar with the quad system. Thanks for the tutorial!

No need to be a smart ass

 

[Gophers7633]

So, you can tell the future now? Talk about delusions of grandeur.

Lmao. No, I cant tell the future. But here's another one for you, UTSA isn't making it either.

 

[TwistingMyMelon]

Lmao. No, I cant tell the future. But here's another one for you, UTSA isn't making it either.

I shouldn't answer your post (because there is no upside from doing that) but there could be two teams chosen from the West Coast Conference (not unusual in recent history) and San Francisco could be one of them. I assume Gonzaga will make it again and it's not clear yet which of San Francisco, Santa Clara, or Saint Marys would be the second choice.

I don't make predictions about things like this because I actually care if the future proves me wrong. I know that none of you would remember but I would and that's all I care about.

 

[Gophers7633]

I shouldn't answer your post (because there is no upside from doing that) but there could be two teams chosen from the West Coast Conference (not unusual in recent history) and San Francisco could be one of them. I assume Gonzaga will make it again and it's not clear yet which of San Francisco, Santa Clara, or Saint Marys would be the second choice.

I don't make predictions about things like this because I actually care if the future proves me wrong. I know that none of you would remember but I would and that's all I care about.

I'm predicting they won't make it. History suggests they won't as they've made two in like the last 40 years. There's been nothing to suggest so far that they are a tournament team. Their best win (according to the NET) is IPFW. The WCC is way down compared to last year. It's only won 51% of it's OOC games, compared to 61% last year.

FWIW, I hope they do make, I'd much rather have a team like that make it, over a middling P6 team(unless by some chance it's the Gophers). But, I just don't think they are a good team. Perhaps an NIT team. If I'm wrong I'll own it, and you can make fun of me all you want.

 

[rivergopher]

I'm predicting they won't make it. History suggests they won't as they've made two in like the last 40 years. There's been nothing to suggest so far that they are a tournament team. Their best win (according to the NET) is IPFW. The WCC is way down compared to last year. It's only won 51% of it's OOC games, compared to 61% last year.

FWIW, I hope they do make, I'd much rather have a team like that make it, over a middling P6 team(unless by some chance it's the Gophers). But, I just don't think they are a good team. Perhaps an NIT team. If I'm wrong I'll own it, and you can make fun of me all you want.

This 100% right now they are not a tournament team and they are not going to have a chance at many quality wins given the state of the WCC. Maybe they can knock off Gonzanga once.

Kudso to those that don’t predict the future. That is a wild statement as a sports fan.

 

[EG#9]

I had recently seen a tweet/x/post that ranked the top 25 teams by averaging like 4 analytic sites, I believe they were Ken Pom, Bart Tovik, NET, and Evan Miya (might have the spelling wrong on a couple of those). That made me curious where the Gophers landed in all of them and, at the time I looked which was post our most recent game, we were somewhere around the 100 mark in all 4.
Just opened up Ken Pom now and we are #88 on there which is a season high. The negative side to that is he has the Gophers equally bad in offense (92) and defense (98). When I look through the history of his site, to be an NCAA at large team, a good rule of thumb is to have your offense and your defense total less than 100 (ex offense 36 defense 58- total 94). There are always exceptions to this but they occur when one side of the ball is elite (top 20, usually top 15) and that can overcome the other side of the ball ranking as high as like 120 (Iowa has been an example of this in recent years). In the Gophers position right now, it doesn't seem clear how we would get to that threshhold of <100.

The real interesting thing to me was the NET rankings that Selection Sunday has referenced above from a Gophers perspective. The Gophers are 97th and are 0-1 in Quad 1 games (Ohio State), 1-1 in Quad 2 games ( San Francisco and Nebraska), 0-1 in Quad 3 games (Missouri) and 7-0 in Quad 4 games. San Francsisco dropping to 56 from 50 has probably changed that from a Quad 1 to Quad 2 game since SS's post. Nebraska needs to keep winning because at 72, they are right on the border of a Quad 2/3 win for us. The Quad 4 stuff is ugly. Essentially nobody loses those games. Of the 96 teams ranked above us in the NET there are a total of 9 quad 4 losses ( 3 of those losses coming from VCU and UIC ranked just ahead of us at 95 and 96). Without actually counting up the number of quad 4 games, I would guess the average number of them played per school ahead of us in the NET is somewhere between 4 and 5. So 9 losses in over 400 games means that teams win these games at about a 98% clip. That's a long way of saying that we are essentially 1-3 right now with a quad 3 loss. One very strange outlier in the NET is Washington State who is also 7-0 in Quad 4 and 0-1 in Quad 1, but 0-0 in Quad 2 and 1-1 in Quad 3. You would think we might be slightly ahead of them given our 1 win outside of the Quad 4 is a Quad 2 win, but they are actually ranked 44th. So there appears to be away to finesse the NET (at least in the early season) by defeating cupcakes in a manner the NET deems efficient.

 

[Gophers7633]

This 100% right now they are not a tournament team and they are not going to have a chance at many quality wins given the state of the WCC. Maybe they can knock off Gonzanga once.

Kudso to those that don’t predict the future. That is a wild statement as a sports fan.

Right now they're projected to go 22-8, 12-4, FWIW. That's definitely not going to get them in, especially when they'd have at best 2 Q1/Q2 wins. The league simply isn't good this year. It wouldn't surprise me if they are a 1 bid league. As a whole the league only has 3 Q1 wins so far in OOC. And one of them is over Washington State who probably won't stay in the top 50.

 

[Gophers7633]

I had recently seen a tweet/x/post that ranked the top 25 teams by averaging like 4 analytic sites, I believe they were Ken Pom, Bart Tovik, NET, and Evan Miya (might have the spelling wrong on a couple of those). That made me curious where the Gophers landed in all of them and, at the time I looked which was post our most recent game, we were somewhere around the 100 mark in all 4.
Just opened up Ken Pom now and we are #88 on there which is a season high. The negative side to that is he has the Gophers equally bad in offense (92) and defense (98). When I look through the history of his site, to be an NCAA at large team, a good rule of thumb is to have your offense and your defense total less than 100 (ex offense 36 defense 58- total 94). There are always exceptions to this but they occur when one side of the ball is elite (top 20, usually top 15) and that can overcome the other side of the ball ranking as high as like 120 (Iowa has been an example of this in recent years). In the Gophers position right now, it doesn't seem clear how we would get to that threshhold of <100.

The real interesting thing to me was the NET rankings that Selection Sunday has referenced above from a Gophers perspective. The Gophers are 97th and are 0-1 in Quad 1 games (Ohio State), 1-1 in Quad 2 games ( San Francisco and Nebraska), 0-1 in Quad 3 games (Missouri) and 7-0 in Quad 4 games. San Francsisco dropping to 56 from 50 has probably changed that from a Quad 1 to Quad 2 game since SS's post. Nebraska needs to keep winning because at 72, they are right on the border of a Quad 2/3 win for us. The Quad 4 stuff is ugly. Essentially nobody loses those games. Of the 96 teams ranked above us in the NET there are a total of 9 quad 4 losses ( 3 of those losses coming from VCU and UIC ranked just ahead of us at 95 and 96). Without actually counting up the number of quad 4 games, I would guess the average number of them played per school ahead of us in the NET is somewhere between 4 and 5. So 9 losses in over 400 games means that teams win these games at about a 98% clip. That's a long way of saying that we are essentially 1-3 right now with a quad 3 loss. One very strange outlier in the NET is Washington State who is also 7-0 in Quad 4 and 0-1 in Quad 1, but 0-0 in Quad 2 and 1-1 in Quad 3. You would think we might be slightly ahead of them given our 1 win outside of the Quad 4 is a Quad 2 win, but they are actually ranked 44th. So there appears to be away to finesse the NET (at least in the early season) by defeating cupcakes in a manner the NET deems efficient.

Biggest difference between us and Wazzu is the extra loss. Plus losing by 20 to SF, and losing at home to a Q3 team (as opposed to neutral like Wazzu). Also, while both are 7-0 in Q4, and have won by the exact same margin (24 ppg), those Q4 games for Wazzu avg out to a 254 NET ranking, while the opponents we have played avg out to a 310 NET ranking. So yes, while all fall in the same category, that is a significant difference.

 

[formerlybis]

I'll remind folks that the game against the Dons was technically at a neutral site. If it were to be reclassified as an away game (which it really should), it'd be quad 1, at least while SF remains top 75. When they were 50th, it was a quad 1 for MN even as a neutral site game.

The way to get under 100 combined on the offense/defense is actually pretty simple - do better than the opponent's averages when you play them. There will be opportunities galore.

 

[leib0039]

I'll remind folks that the game against the Dons was technically at a neutral site. If it were to be reclassified as an away game (which it really should), it'd be quad 1, at least while SF remains top 75. When they were 50th, it was a quad 1 for MN even as a neutral site game.

The way to get under 100 combined on the offense/defense is actually pretty simple - do better than the opponent's averages when you play them. There will be opportunities galore.

I didn't like that game or games like that for that reason. It's not an "away" game but it is. Like those teams who play Kansas in KC or whatever. There is no upside to that game in the NET. Play a true road game or a true neutral site game. Always confused me why teams do that.

I guess maybe it shows how awful we've been when my reaction to the team being in the top 100 in both off and def is WOW THAT'S GOOD. It's certainly not a bar to set for a B1G team but after last year 188/253 its not totally embarrassing.