KiAnte Hardin, Ray Buford, Dior Johnson -- served with restraining orders, won't play

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beavergopher said:
Only at the U of M. Happy homecoming!
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BarnBurner said:
Exactly.

Does anyone have any more questions why MINN cant consistently compete?

This is the type of thing that is turning off even diehard fans. Sick of the garbage as well as the U being holier than thou.
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Jack jones said:
Only at the University of Minnesota. You can bet your next paycheck this wouldn't happen at any other Big Ten school. And we wonder why our athletic program is at the bottom. Well in the hxxx is our Athletic Director? I was under the impression that he was a coaches administrator. Seems like he is hiding under his desk. Come on Coyle, support the programs that are paying your salary.
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I think I speak for anyone not on looney bird island when I say, "What on earth are you talking about?"


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I know I'm just a regular reader and not a regular commentor, but holy smokes this thread is getting off its rocker...and the HRO attorney in me has to chime in again...

*If the Petition(s) includes allegations that fit the criteria (if presumed true...which the Court HAS to presume), the judge/referee HAS to sign the temporary order. It's not discretionary. The Court can modify the requested terms, etc., but the order itself has to be signed.
*While I hate seeing a depleted secondary as much as anyone, I'll take the public policy benefits of the HRO system over getting to play our entire first string tomorrow. (Please bear in mind that I typically defend against HROs more than I seek them for clients, too).
*The U of M has ZERO to do with this case, and honestly, the Orders don't even apply to the U of M. They could ignore them, frankly. The Orders only apply to the players. But, if the players violate them, they will be arrested and charged.
*If the Petitioner is involved in game-day operations that are likely to cross paths with Respondents, the Court is very, very unlikely to modify the term. The alleged victim is not the one that's going to have to make big changes to her work/social life, etc. It's the alleged harassers.
*Because of that fact, it's very unlikely that the Court would modify based upon an Ex Parte Motion unless Petitioner's involvement is very much in the peripherals of game day operations. So, a good attorney would not even bother unless that's the case. You're more likely to just annoy/anger the judge.
*I've never met Hutton, and for all I know, he's walking a different talk than his media speak. But, if his strategy mirrors his media comments, then he really needs to dig deeper into HRO law before Tuesday's hearing. A lot of incredibly talented attorneys from big firms pick up random HRO cases for a friend of a friend, etc., thinking that they're really simplistic. And they are simplistic. But, they're also simplistic in the sense that you will royally piss off your judge/referee if you dalliance into completely irrelevant stuff, which those same attorneys seem predisposed to do in my experience. Some of his comments, like "continuing to appeal," make no sense. You do not appeal a temporary order. That's not in the vernacular. You also do not make bold proclamations to your clients let alone the MEDIA about getting dismissals at the initial appearance unless the Petitions are AWFUL. And I mean AWFUL in terms of the allegations being insufficient in the first place, not in terms of the evidence. I can count on a couple of fingers the number of times where I've come even close to telling a CLIENT that it would be reasonable to expect that to happen. You argue for it, but you expect to end up at trial.
*If it goes to trial, and the Court does not modify the temporary orders in the interim, these guys are probably done for the season (for home games anyway). A "high profile" trial like this one with potential assault allegations involved, etc., will probably justify deeper discovery than normal, subpoenas, and generally more prep than the typical HRO. If they do full-on discovery, that process alone is a MINIMUM of 30 days, and you would typically want a minimum of a couple of weeks after that to prep for trial.

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GopherCouchCoach said:
*The U of M has ZERO to do with this case, and honestly, the Orders don't even apply to the U of M. They could ignore them, frankly. The Orders only apply to the players. But, if the players violate them, they will be arrested and charged.
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Don't worry about that one. It's a running theme that some folks blame the U for anything that happens... anything. The folks dedicated to that kind of conspiracy theory type thinking won't believe a word you're saying.
 

A_Slab_of_Bacon said:
Don't worry about that one. It's a running theme that some folks blame the U for anything that happens... anything. The folks dedicated to that kind of conspiracy theory type thinking won't believe a word you're saying.
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I know it...but I guess the idealist in me thought I should keep trying...
 



Still cant fathom how this happened without charges since they are difficult to get without a physical altercation of some kind.
 

A question for GopherCouchCoach:

Can the order be modified so that the players can only go certain parts of the stadium, assuming that the plaintiff's duties don't overlap with the players'?


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CentralGopher said:
Still cant fathom how this happened without charges since they are difficult to get without a physical altercation of some kind.
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Even though they weren't charged doesn't mean it didn't happen just that the evidence wasn't enough. There could still have been an altercation that took place and then this talk about being harassed on the street after the face seem to be grounds for the HRO from what people in the thread have been saying.
 



40,000 ppl in the stadium 160 players, 40 coaches and what, 200 security and law enforcement personnel...and someone needs a restraining order for protection from guys in uniforms and helmets? Total crock of shi"t.
 

CentralGopher said:
Still cant fathom how this happened without charges since they are difficult to get without a physical altercation of some kind.
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The whole HRO are a whole different animal than criminal court. See GopherCouchCoach's post.

They are kinda bonkers on the surface, can be abused (i've seen it done to people I know), but at the same time if you're addressing some things you can't just have a system that goes Hey next month we'll address that person threatening to beat the piss out of you... oh and we'll give them a heads up too... you know so they can work it out with you over the next month.

There's no good way really.
 


Ski U Mah Gopher said:
A question for GopherCouchCoach:

Can the order be modified so that the players can only go certain parts of the stadium, assuming that the plaintiff's duties don't overlap with the players'?


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Absolutely. Very common result. Court often will do something along those lines when parties live or work in same building but on different floors, for example.
 



CentralGopher said:
Still cant fathom how this happened without charges since they are difficult to get without a physical altercation of some kind.
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Yes there can be an order for protection resulting from a criminal charge but the type of order against these players does not require criminal charges nor a physical altercation.
 

taunting?

just so he didn't post a Happy Birthday on someone's facebook page!
 

Ski U Master said:
Even though they weren't charged doesn't mean it didn't happen just that the evidence wasn't enough. There could still have been an altercation that took place and then this talk about being harassed on the street after the face seem to be grounds for the HRO from what people in the thread have been saying.
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I would think a physical altercation would have resulted in charges of some kind. I happen to be married to someone that has been in the legal profession for nearly 20 years and was unable to get a restraining order on someone that was harassing/stalking her because there was no physical altercation and no charges. Just doesnt seem possible to me given the fact that no charges were made.
 

Ray Buford Sr. talked to Fox 9 tonight and said:

"They have been treated as if they were guilty from the start. Why are we being issued a restraining order on something on something that the police investigation showed that there was no evidence of."
 

scools12 said:
Yes there can be an order for protection resulting from a criminal charge but the type of order against these players does not require criminal charges nor a physical altercation.
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Possible but based on my spouses past experience i think we may have to chalk this up to a different judge who may have over stepped his bounds a little here.
 


One must presume the DA or the young ladies Att'y heard her story of her latest interactions with the young men and they thought asking for a request for a restraining order to be brought before a judge was indicated.
The judge agreed.
There only a few people to blame for this distraction and they are the players.
They escaped serious charges for whatever they did but could not take advantage of their good fortune.
 


Any other school she would be fired from working at TCF Saturday so they could play. We will find out if she is a on the medical staff/trainer/ water girl or part of the team in some sort if these guys can't play the road games!! If she is a concession worker they just can't play home games.
 

I would argue the stadium's a big place. Unless the accuser worked in the locker or training room, restricting them to the field and aforementioned rooms, unless escorted, should accomplish the goal of the restraining order. It gets to be a tougher call if she works in either location. I'm sure Lee Hutton knows exactly were she works and realizes that barring them from the whole stadium is excessive.
 

gopherhoopsguy said:
Any other school she would be fired from working at TCF Saturday so they could play. We will find out if she is a on the medical staff/trainer/ water girl or part of the team in some sort if these guys can't play the road games!! If she is a concession worker they just can't play home games.
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I would think that most schools have a non fraternization policy for staff that would apply to this type of situation.
 

I gotta think, most of these guys are going to say I'm tired of this Sh!t and transfer out of here. Nothing good is going to come from this for the Gophers. Lesson to everyone else on the team, avoid tag teaming, drunken stupid situations that can put you in this light and get your name in the newspaper and on TV a lot. As a general rule avoid involving yourself with intoxicated people at house parties that can bring you bad circumnstances and drama later.
 

gopherhoopsguy said:
Any other school she would be fired from working at TCF Saturday so they could play. We will find out if she is a on the medical staff/trainer/ water girl or part of the team in some sort if these guys can't play the road games!! If she is a concession worker they just can't play home games.
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One of the most ridiculous takes I've read on this site- and that's saying something.


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gopherhoopsguy said:
Any other school she would be fired from working at TCF Saturday so they could play. We will find out if she is a on the medical staff/trainer/ water girl or part of the team in some sort if these guys can't play the road games!! If she is a concession worker they just can't play home games.
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That is idiotic.
 

If the U fired her under these circumstances she and her attorney would never have to work another day after the jury announced the settlement.
 

Assuming that girl is an employee of the U.Minn.athletic Department as the restraining is in effect at football complex, maybe Coyle could out from under his desk and reassign her to a comparable job on Sat. For you anti-Claeys people do you really think that a big name coach would come to the U when the A.D. doesn't have the back of a coach and his players? I can assure you this wouldn't happen in Iowa City or Lincoln. Sad
 

gopherdudepart2 said:
I gotta think, most of these guys are going to say I'm tired of this Sh!t and transfer out of here. Nothing good is going to come from this for the Gophers. Lesson to everyone else on the team, avoid tag teaming, drunken stupid situations that can put you in this light and get your name in the newspaper and on TV a lot. As a general rule avoid involving yourself with intoxicated people at house parties that can bring you bad circumnstances and drama later.
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Best post of the thread. I have never been charged or accused of sexual assault, and to the best of my knowledge, not one guy I have ever met has been charged or accused of sexual assault. Sexual assault accusations and charges are not hard things to avoid. There is plenty of sex to be had in the world from women who really want to have it. You just have to do it in the right way and at the right time.
 

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