All Things 2024 Minnesota Vikings Off-Season Thread

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If the Vikings can complain about some little nothing offhand statement by Cousins …. can’t teams like the Broncos complain to the league just as hard that it would be completely unfair to give the Vikings the 8th??

You don’t live in the real world if you think there’s any chance the Vikings get the 8th pick.
 

GophersInIowa said:
I have to wonder if this was only brought to light by Cousins mentioning it at the press conference.
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There isn’t any proof of anything unreasonable that I’m aware of.

As far as I’ve heard it was only Falcons head trainer asking Cousins about the injury during the legal tampering period. That’s not even worthy of any pick swap in any round. That’s just rube-bait.
 

Reusse reluctantly gives the Vikings Braintrust their flowers.

www.startribune.com

‘Vikings have had outstanding offseason,’ says Patrick Reusse, who never says this

The NFL draft will be the big test, but it's hard to quibble with any of the Vikings' major personnel decisions so far, from letting Kirk Cousins walk to bringing in Aaron Jones.
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The move of another high-profile quarterback in Kirk Cousins already has made this an outstanding offseason for the current Vikings, and we're still a few days from seeing what maneuvers will be made in a draft of considerable promise.

The reward for getting rid of Cousins is not draft choices, but rather saving tens of millions of dollars that will allow a future of much greater potential.

Throw in the fact the oft-injured pass rusher, Danielle Hunter, was also allowed to move on as a free agent and — once the dead money for Cousins and Hunter is accounted for in 2024 — the salary cap will no longer be an endless issue for roster building.

The masterful part of the Vikings' handling of the Cousins situation is that they kept acting as though they would like to keep him, even though common sense told us that was hogwash. Cousins, 36 when the season starts, got his money — a $50 million signing bonus and a potential $180 million over four years — from the moronic Falcons, and the Vikings didn't even have to say, "We have to move on. Six years of high mediocrity is plenty at those prices."
 




I guess I could be wrong and they could be right but I continue to chuckle at all the mock drafts that have as many as three WR's taken in the 1st round before anyone takes an OT. I'll believe it when I see it, and I have a few strategically placed bets in support of my theory. You don't built your team around a WR
 

saw this in a tweet from Schefter. ESPN made a list of 1st round picks by position from 2000 to 2019. If a player signed a second contract with the team that drafted them, they considered that a "hit." if the player did not sign a 2nd contract, that went down as a "miss." Here's the list:
(listed by % of picks classified as a "hit"

Center - 92% (11 of 12)
OT - 59% (38 of 64)
G - 50% (14 of 28)
LB - 48% - (24 of 50)
QB - 46% (26 of 56)
Edge - 44% (46 of 104)
DT - 40% (24 of 60)
CB - 38% (27 of 71)
RB - 38% (18 of 48)
S - 34% (14 of 41)
TE - 33% (8 of 24)
WR - 27% (21 of 77)

so based on 20 years of data, if you want to draft a player who is good enough to earn a second contract with your team, the safest bet is O-Line. the worst bet is a WR. QB is 5th on the list, but only slightly less risky than a Guard or LB. of course, QB's make a lot more money, and if you miss on a QB, it gets a lot more heat than if you miss on a Guard or LB.
 

on the Tampering issue: Diana Russini today in The Athletic:

The rule: Teams and players are not allowed to have direct contact until free agency officially opens. During the legal tampering period — when it was announced that Cousins and Barkley were signing with their respective teams — all communication had to go through agents.

The evidence: “Meeting — calling, yesterday, calling our head athletic trainer, talking to our head of P.R. I'm thinking, we got good people here," Kirk Cousins said upon signing in March, implicating his new team. The Falcons "don't believe" they tampered.

The fallout: Serious. Penalties could involve fines and losses of draft picks, with recent examples including the Cardinals' tampering with now-HC Jonathan Gannon costing them a third-round swap (No. 66 to No. 94) and a fifth-round pick. The Dolphins lost first- and third-round picks after two executives violated tampering rules (for years) with Tom Brady and the agent of Sean Payton.

The timing: With the league's review ongoing and reportedly not concluding this week, any draft compensation should occur next year.
 

Less than 50% sign a 2nd contract with the team that drafted them.

Boom. Right there.

Smoking gun that drafting a QB in the first round is nothing more than going to the casino and pulling the slot machine arm.
 



It would be really interesting to further define SON’s list above for just top 10 picks and top 5.

I predict those QBs fare no better.
 

short ornery norwegian said:
on the Tampering issue: Diana Russini today in The Athletic:

The rule: Teams and players are not allowed to have direct contact until free agency officially opens. During the legal tampering period — when it was announced that Cousins and Barkley were signing with their respective teams — all communication had to go through agents.

The evidence: “Meeting — calling, yesterday, calling our head athletic trainer, talking to our head of P.R. I'm thinking, we got good people here," Kirk Cousins said upon signing in March, implicating his new team. The Falcons "don't believe" they tampered.

The fallout: Serious. Penalties could involve fines and losses of draft picks, with recent examples including the Cardinals' tampering with now-HC Jonathan Gannon costing them a third-round swap (No. 66 to No. 94) and a fifth-round pick. The Dolphins lost first- and third-round picks after two executives violated tampering rules (for years) with Tom Brady and the agent of Sean Payton.

The timing: With the league's review ongoing and reportedly not concluding this week, any draft compensation should occur next year.
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How long does it take to investigate something like this? Seems like they should be pretty straight forward. The only thing I can think of is they know tampering occurred but want to look into it further to determine how bad it was.
 

MplsGopher said:
Less than 50% sign a 2nd contract with the team that drafted them.

Boom. Right there.

Smoking gun that drafting a QB in the first round is nothing more than going to the casino and pulling the slot machine arm.
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I think the point is this:
If you want a sure thing, draft a Center. after that, the best odds (OT) mean the pick still works out less than 6 times out of 10. so the odds of drafting a QB who "hits" is not that much worse than any other position except Center. the only difference is that - as I said - QB's get all the attention.

if we take your position, then you should never draft a QB in the 1st round, because the odds are that he won't work out.

the only way in life to avoid risk is to do nothing.
 

GophersInIowa said:
How long does it take to investigate something like this? Seems like they should be pretty straight forward. The only thing I can think of is they know tampering occurred but want to look into it further to determine how bad it was.
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I think that is exactly the point of the Athletic article. something happened, but they don't or won't have all the facts determined before the draft. so they'll keep investigating and issue a ruling at a later date, with any punishment to be assessed for next year's draft.

in other words, just because there isn't a pick swap this year, that does not mean that there will not be a pick swap next year. It may not be a 1st-rounder, but we'll have to wait to find out.
 





short ornery norwegian said:
drafting a QB in the first round is nothing more than going to the casino and pulling the slot machine arm.

guess who said that.....oh, it was you.
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And? The two are completely congruent.

Here, let me simply put them together into a single, completely reasonable sentence:

drafting a QB in the first round is nothing more than going to the casino and pulling the slot machine arm, therefore you should never give away assets, to draft a particular QB in the first round.
 

Ogee Ogilthorpe said:
I have to believe there is a less than zero chance the Vikings are drafting Penix, much less at #23. He doesn't fit what KOC wants to do on offense, at all, besides the fact that he has some serious deficiencies throwing the football, and his laundry list of medical issues. He's not getting taken in the 1st round, by anybody.
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howeda7 said:
It might not be the Vikings, but I'd bet $$ on Pennix going in the first round.
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Damn...neglected to name the price.
 

This guy won’t even play this year.

2nd round talent

So funny people think this guy is Burrow
 



short ornery norwegian said:
drafting a QB in the first round is nothing more than going to the casino and pulling the slot machine arm.

guess who said that.....oh, it was you.
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It's a really terrible take.

Because QBs make so much money and you only play one of them, unlike OL/DL/DB, you are less likely to re-sign a QB who isn't very good. There are a number of first round picks who didn't get a second contract that have had nice seasons - they are definitely the QB equivalent of Garrett Bradbury.

There is also a massive difference between a top 10 pick at QB and a QB taken in the end of the first round.

If you look at the last 10 Super Bowls, the teams starting QBs consisted of the following:

11 QBs taken in the top 10
5 - Tom Brady
1 - Russell Wilson
1 - Jalen Hurts
1- Brock Purdy
1- Jimmy Garrapolo

So yeah, it's mathematically staggering how much you improve your odds by drafting a QB in the top 10.
 






I generally do anything I can to avoid watching the NFL Draft.

The exceptions were when Chris Doleman was selected, I stayed home from school because I was sick and happened to watch that on ESPN while it was in it's infancy. That was enough Mel Kiper Jr exposure for me to last a lifetime.

Then 2 years in a row, the weather was crappy so I was not on a golf course (1st Round had moved to Saturday) and I watched when Randy Moss and then Daunte Culpepper were selected.

When Matt Kalil was taken I happened to be in a bar when he was chosen (1st Round had moved to during the week in Prime Time), though I think I was more focused on whatever NHL playoff game was taking place.

Last night after a late 9 holes I went to the clubhouse bar and every TV was tuned to the draft except one that was showing Golf Channel with a repeat of whatever LPGA event was going on. Essentially I was a captive audience and got in just as the Pats made their selection for Maye, road it out until the Vikes made their first pick.

Hopefully it works out as well with McCarthy as the first 3 Drafts I saw, especially the 1985 & 1998 events which saw those picks make it to Canton.

I smell Super Bowl.
 
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caught a bit of an interview with Kwesi. he was asked about trying to move up to get back into the 2nd or 3rd round. gave the standard "we'll consider all options to make the team better" response.

but the rest of the draft is going to be pretty anti-climatic unless they find some hidden gem in the 4th round. still could use help at DT, CB or interior OL.
 


short ornery norwegian said:
caught a bit of an interview with Kwesi. he was asked about trying to move up to get back into the 2nd or 3rd round. gave the standard "we'll consider all options to make the team better" response.

but the rest of the draft is going to be pretty anti-climatic unless they find some hidden gem in the 4th round. still could use help at DT, CB or interior OL.
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I always loved the 2nd and 3rd rounds picks. You can hit on these guys and everyone has a favorite or two.

Would have been awesome with watching those picks heading into the wolves game.

Oh well
 

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