Apparently ND's new head coach likes to make his players pay an extreme physical price to show their commitment to the team and the school. At the beginning of winter workouts, seven players threw up during the stretching exercises. Sometime before spring practice, the team will go through Camp Kelly, which sounds like training for the Navy Seals. It's designed to push them past their limits so they pay such a high price to play that losing a game is not an option. I can see positives and negatives to this approach. I know from going through a lot of Army training that you can get a perverse sense of pride from surviving pure hell. But, you can also end up hating the people and the institution that put you through that hell. ( From what I hear, Kelly expects some players to quit.) What's everyone else think? Is putting your team through near torture a good idea? Does the end justify the means?