Dano564
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Fleck pretty much admits the lack athleticism with the defense that's playing right now. It's painfully obvious. A lot of that's on him via recruiting and going young...albeit with some bad luck on injuries. The defense right now reminds me of the worst of the Wacker era. Some people a little older than me mention the Salem era as terrible...I don't know if it could get worse.
Basically, that's what he said...he stated the obvious to anyone who's watched the team the past few games:Is he basically saying that we're slower than molasses in January?
Is he saying, when a guy breaks past a linebacker, it some cases it would be nice if we had someone in the secondary who could keep pace with a 200 lb RB?
Basically, that's what he said...he stated the obvious to anyone who's watched the team the past few games:
"Some of the speed on our defense was exposed"
"They were able to run away from us and we couldn't catch them"
"The secondary couldn't even get off a block to make a play on the second level" [this is what bugged me the most during the game...lack of ferociousness required to be a good defensive player]
In a nutshell, the defensive players that are still healthy and playing are not up to BG10 level right now.
No.... We missed tackles at the point of attack (coaching), we had blown coverages (coaching), we had bad schemes (coaching). There was not a noticable difference of talent between us and Illinois.
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No.... We missed tackles at the point of attack (coaching), we had blown coverages (coaching), we had bad schemes (coaching). There was not a noticable difference of talent between us and Illinois.
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Basically, that's what he said...he stated the obvious to anyone who's watched the team the past few games:
"Some of the speed on our defense was exposed"
"They were able to run away from us and we couldn't catch them"
"The secondary couldn't even get off a block to make a play on the second level" [this is what bugged me the most during the game...lack of ferociousness required to be a good defensive player]
In a nutshell, the defensive players that are still healthy and playing are not up to BG10 level right now.
He mentioned all those too. Thing is, maybe you can enlighten us on what scheme you're gonna implement to make slower, less aggressive players be successful? These guys are simply getting blocked time and again while the RB cruises on by...
I think Howden is actually a fast guy, but looked slow today. I think he ran track in high school.Yeah, it was pretty surprising how slow Howden was. You’re telling me a pretty highly rated Sapp is a worse player than this guy?
Barber is slow as hell. Huff has functional speed but can’t tackle well. Durr is adequate. Smith is elite but gets turned around some. Harris is slow. Thomas has been MIA most of the year. Martin is functional but has poor instincts. Cashman is quick for a LB but has his share of derps. The linemen were getting turned around and plowed all day.
Fleck pretty much admits the lack athleticism with the defense that's playing right now. It's painfully obvious. A lot of that's on him via recruiting and going young...albeit with some bad luck on injuries. The defense right now reminds me of the worst of the Wacker era. Some people a little older than me mention the Salem era as terrible...I don't know if it could get worse.
I think Howden is actually a fast guy, but looked slow today. I think he ran track in high school.
They obviously are looking at the wrong things. Drill, drill, drill some more. Tackle drills. Hit. Maybe watch some horror flicks at breakfast.
All of which is BS on his part. Really hard to take much of what he says seriously at this point. I fear a lot of players are beginning to think the same.
So what part of what Fleck said do you disagree with?
Where to start...he kept the DC after Nebraska. He has more talent than Kill or Claeys had but can't find a way to win against Illinois or even keep it close? Wake up.
I gotta disagree with you on the talent part. The Gopher defenders on the field today in no way resemble the Kill/Claeys teams that had multiple all conference level players on defense especially in the backfield who remained healthy enough to play...unless you're one of those people who believe the players were purely a product of their coaches' tactical genius.
He mentioned all those too. Thing is, maybe you can enlighten us on what scheme you're gonna implement to make slower, less aggressive players be successful? These guys are simply getting blocked time and again while the RB cruises on by...
I gotta disagree with you on the talent part. The Gopher defenders on the field today in no way resemble the Kill/Claeys teams that had multiple all conference level players on defense especially in the backfield who remained healthy enough to play...unless you're one of those people who believe the players were purely a product of their coaches' tactical genius.
I'm questioning the judgement in hiring a defensive coordinator who runs a hybrid 3-4 defense in the Big 10. I'm not paid millions of dollars a year to coach, but if I was King for a day we'd run a base 4-3 defense and run man zone in the back end.
Specific to the game today, are you really trying to tell me that they had significantly better athletes than we did?
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Yes. Ironic.Ironic how the talent argument has evolved.
Well, the previous staff did turn a 2-Star DB into an NFL player so there is that. If PJ didn’t like the talent of our secondary maybe he should have recruited better. His 2 best defensive recruits left school after 1 year. He has others that clearly aren’t B1G players in there. He has a walk on beating out other scholarship players. Let’s blame the talent he inherited tho.
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Basically, that's what he said...he stated the obvious to anyone who's watched the team the past few games:
"Some of the speed on our defense was exposed"
"They were able to run away from us and we couldn't catch them"
"The secondary couldn't even get off a block to make a play on the second level" [this is what bugged me the most during the game...lack of ferociousness required to be a good defensive player]
In a nutshell, the defensive players that are still healthy and playing are not up to BG10 level right now.
I think it would be helpful if we had experience in the secondary but we don't. Those guys left before PJ got here and then PJ had two leave from his first class. This has been pointed out on this forum multiple times.
Kill had far more secondary talent in Juniors and Seniors than this team has.
You can say it's not true but then player for player explain how that is true.