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'Sorry mods. This discussion was off-topic in "MJ Anderson Commits!" thread:
Data shows that is true. Purely based on average composite ratings, Kill's/Claey's best class had an average composite of 0.8427 in 2016. Fleck's 2018 class has an average composite rating of 0.8622 with late corrections. Fleck's 2019 class though is at 0.8454. But, this may change if some players get a later bump in ratings like Faalele, Dunlap, Bateman, Reigelsperger, and Teague all getting late season bumps in their composite ratings last year.
On a numerical scale, a 3-Star composite rank is 80-89 (10% players in the nation) while a 4-Star is 90-97 (top 300 players in the nation).
https://247sports.com/Article/247Sports-Rating-Explanation-81574/
So, high 3-Stars could have easily been 4-Stars. The ratings aren't perfect. Upper Midwest recruits, Minnesota recruits, schools that are not geographically located in the hotbeds, etc... may be rated lower based on where the concentration of evaluators are. Who knows.
The important indicators (247Sports) are the team average composite score, and the total number of team points (see attachments).
This year's class has a drop because 2-Star Long snapper Brady Weeks and kicker Camden Lewis each has a composite rating of 0.7781, and the Grey Shirt OT Tyler Cooper has a composite rating of 0.7998. Bear in mind that specialist are usually rated very low as compared to other position players. It looks like PJ Fleck thinks the potential of Tyler Cooper will be much improve and rated higher by the end of his Senior year in HS.
247Sports is projecting that the Gopher's 2020 average composite rating will be around 0.8628 based on the current recruiting data.
The 2017 overall Talent Level Ranking of the Gophers puts them at 12th in the Big Ten and 5th in B1G West (Incidentally, also 5th is their average finish in the standings 2011-2017). The tables below compare the Big Ten Talent Level and the averages for competition years 2015-2017.
Average composite ratings (with the exception of Nebraska) is a good indicator of finish in the standings.
It seems to correlate really well in the B1G East.
The Gophers average finished in 2015-2017 is 5th. Their average talent level is also 5th.
The data speaks for itself.
It is not so much about four stars. It has more to do with raising the team talent level with more high three stars with a few more four stars with a higher average talent level as Wisconsin has done.
CONCLUSION: If the Gophers continue to recruit talent like they are doing now, they have at least a good shot at a B1G West division title in two or three years.
Of course, this depends on:
1. How the competition do in their recruiting;
2. Player development;
3. How well PJ Fleck and staff can coach;
4. Coaching and system stability.
There is optimism for the future of Gopher Football.
https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite?Conference=Big-Ten
Originally posted by short ornery norwegian
in a weird way, the Flecksters are proving Menno's point.
They say - Fleck's recruits are better than previous classes. And yet - the vast majority of Fleck's recruits have been 3-star recruits. Just like the vast majority of the Kill/Claeys era recruits were 3-star recruits.
So, the argument boils down to: Fleck's 3-star recruits are better than the Kill/Claeys era 3-star recruits.
If you want to get into the numerical ratings, that may be accurate. (assuming you accept the premise that a recruit with a .86 rating is better than a recruit with a .84 rating) but, at some level, you're still saying that one 3-star recruit is better than another 3-star recruit.
Which, to me, is some form of absurdist humor. It's like a Monty Python sketch.
Data shows that is true. Purely based on average composite ratings, Kill's/Claey's best class had an average composite of 0.8427 in 2016. Fleck's 2018 class has an average composite rating of 0.8622 with late corrections. Fleck's 2019 class though is at 0.8454. But, this may change if some players get a later bump in ratings like Faalele, Dunlap, Bateman, Reigelsperger, and Teague all getting late season bumps in their composite ratings last year.
On a numerical scale, a 3-Star composite rank is 80-89 (10% players in the nation) while a 4-Star is 90-97 (top 300 players in the nation).
https://247sports.com/Article/247Sports-Rating-Explanation-81574/
So, high 3-Stars could have easily been 4-Stars. The ratings aren't perfect. Upper Midwest recruits, Minnesota recruits, schools that are not geographically located in the hotbeds, etc... may be rated lower based on where the concentration of evaluators are. Who knows.
The important indicators (247Sports) are the team average composite score, and the total number of team points (see attachments).
This year's class has a drop because 2-Star Long snapper Brady Weeks and kicker Camden Lewis each has a composite rating of 0.7781, and the Grey Shirt OT Tyler Cooper has a composite rating of 0.7998. Bear in mind that specialist are usually rated very low as compared to other position players. It looks like PJ Fleck thinks the potential of Tyler Cooper will be much improve and rated higher by the end of his Senior year in HS.
247Sports is projecting that the Gopher's 2020 average composite rating will be around 0.8628 based on the current recruiting data.
The 2017 overall Talent Level Ranking of the Gophers puts them at 12th in the Big Ten and 5th in B1G West (Incidentally, also 5th is their average finish in the standings 2011-2017). The tables below compare the Big Ten Talent Level and the averages for competition years 2015-2017.
Average composite ratings (with the exception of Nebraska) is a good indicator of finish in the standings.
It seems to correlate really well in the B1G East.
The Gophers average finished in 2015-2017 is 5th. Their average talent level is also 5th.
The data speaks for itself.
It is not so much about four stars. It has more to do with raising the team talent level with more high three stars with a few more four stars with a higher average talent level as Wisconsin has done.
CONCLUSION: If the Gophers continue to recruit talent like they are doing now, they have at least a good shot at a B1G West division title in two or three years.
Of course, this depends on:
1. How the competition do in their recruiting;
2. Player development;
3. How well PJ Fleck and staff can coach;
4. Coaching and system stability.
There is optimism for the future of Gopher Football.
https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite?Conference=Big-Ten
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