I's time for the AD to make this statement -

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"All the funds received from the increase in football tickets prices are for the new football facilities and other related football costs"

comments: It is my general feelings that this is taking place. "The increased income from the football program is being used to support the non-revenue sports and their administrative costs. The cost for the new football facilities are to be paid for by public donations, both corporate and private."

If I am wrong, the AD should tell us where he will using all of these increased funds.
 

The announcement I saw from the U pretty clearly explained (with tables and figures) how the cost of attendance and campus life has increased and they need the additional revenue to provide a quality experience for the athletes. Maybe some of this will go to new facilities but I believe that is being funded through separate fundraising....

I was hoping you were going to say the AD needs to make this statement: "Ooops... we F'd up royally. I apologize and beg you to let me keep my job."
 

They need to revisit shutting down some of the non-revenue Men's and Women's programs. Tennis, golf, gymnastics, cross country, rowing? They need to look at all of them particularly sports that have no solid base in state high schools or where they need to bring in athletes from round the world to be competitive.
 

Iceland12 said:
They need to revisit shutting down some of the non-revenue Men's and Women's programs. Tennis, golf, gymnastics, cross country, rowing? They need to look at all of them particularly sports that have no solid base in state high schools or where they need to bring in athletes from round the world to be competitive.
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I'm sure some of the bleeder's will disagree but I am with you 100%.
 

zman said:
I'm sure some of the bleeder's will disagree but I am with you 100%.
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Last time the "bleeders" were lead by people who had lettered in those sports in the past, Harvey MacKay, Marie Roethlisberger, John Roethlisberger etc. They raised the millions to save their sports. Too bad they built that baseball stadium. It should have been looked at too.
 


Iceland12 said:
They need to revisit shutting down some of the non-revenue Men's and Women's programs. Tennis, golf, gymnastics, cross country, rowing? They need to look at all of them particularly sports that have no solid base in state high schools or where they need to bring in athletes from round the world to be competitive.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Not rowing! :)

This has been a no brainer forever, but I doubt it will happen. :(
 

Iceland12 said:
Last time the "bleeders" were lead by people who had lettered in those sports in the past, Harvey MacKay, Marie Roethlisberger, John Roethlisberger etc. They raised the millions to save their sports. Too bad they built that baseball stadium. It should have been looked at too.
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Keep your stinkin' mitts off the baseball program... Go to watch some games and they'll turn a profit. It's a better deal and the weather is nicer than football. Plus, you have more games to watch rather than 7-8 games over a 12 month period.

The best way to reduce ticket prices is to simply not purchase season tickets until they drop down to a level that you can honestly afford them. No one (including the AD's office) can fault a person for not spending money when they don't have it to spend.
 

"The best way to reduce ticket prices is to simply not purchase season tickets until they drop down to a level that you can honestly afford them."

Which the vast majority of Gopher fans and many of the people shouting on here "Just pay it! It's no big deal" do every year. :eek:

They shouldn't have made the commitment to that baseball stadium or to baseball itself unless they have a plan to pay for the program. The "new" schools, Nebraska, Maryland and Rutgers have baseball program now, so that may have been part of the consideration also.

The problem remains whether basketball, hockey and in particular football fans want to pay to support baseball, wrestling, golf, gymnastics, tennis, cross country you name it. They do need to revisit the plan to stop some non-reveune sports and hope that Harvey Mackay either has the clout to fund them all over again or doesn't have the clout to make the U do it.
 




tinyarch said:
Keep your stinkin' mitts off the baseball program... Go to watch some games and they'll turn a profit. It's a better deal and the weather is nicer than football. Plus, you have more games to watch rather than 7-8 games over a 12 month period.
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Unfortunately, you have to watch baseball.
 

Iceland12 said:
They need to revisit shutting down some of the non-revenue Men's and Women's programs. Tennis, golf, gymnastics, cross country, rowing? They need to look at all of them particularly sports that have no solid base in state high schools or where they need to bring in athletes from round the world to be competitive.
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Spot on Ice. And thanks for calling them non-revenue sports and not Olympic sports........last time I checked basketball and hockey were Olympic sports.

I don't understand why there wasn't more traction for the Gophers and Saints to share a stadium. I realize there were private donations to build a Gopher ballpark......not sure how much.
 

In many places hockey is both a non-revenue and only an Olympic sport. We are fortunate to have it as a plus on the accounting roles.

Cutting baseball at Minnesota? That sounds like something Wisconsin would do. Baseball and wrestling are two sports in MN that have the potential to break even. Since there is no means to balance income to Title IX numbers, cutting sports will be an all-mens proposition probably followed by fairminded lawsuits about how the male athlete in a sport is being discriminated against by not being able to compete in an identical or nearly identical sport.

If there is a secondary sport that any football fan likes, the cheapest way to support that sport and not have funds drained from your favorite revenue sport is to support both with financial, ticket purchases, and attendance. By the Swag and concessions. Direct funding of the non-revenue sport is money that is not lost in administration/accounting of funds. Go Gophers.



station19 said:
Spot on Ice. And thanks for calling them non-revenue sports and not Olympic sports........last time I checked basketball and hockey were Olympic sports.

I don't understand why there wasn't more traction for the Gophers and Saints to share a stadium. I realize there were private donations to build a Gopher ballpark......not sure how much.
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McGopherFan said:
In many places hockey is both a non-revenue and only an Olympic sport.

Cutting baseball at Minnesota? That sounds like something Wisconsin would do. Baseball and wrestling are two sports in MN that have the potential to break even..
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Very funny (baseball and wrestling break even? ;)) but untrue. They could have dumped those revenue drainers and only past participants would have screamed about it.

The millions they raised last time to keep those programs going must have been used up years ago. Look for the worst offenders, even out the numbers between Men and Women and dump them. All those kids" work hard for their money" but just like the freeloaders around here they still need to depend on handouts from others to keep their sport alive if not thriving.
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Quit bitching about baseball and how it should be dropped! This comes from the idiot mouth-breathers who are too stupid and use Wisconsin's dropping it as the reason they are successful in football. That had nothing to do with it. It got dropped because of Title IX and the fact the athletic department was going under thanks to football sucking and hemorrahaging money. The baseball progrAm has been nothing but successful from Dick Seibert to George Thomas to John Anderson with mostly Minnesota kids. Their alumni are passionate and loyal with some of the U of M's best a athletes coming from that program. Paul Molitor, Dave Winfield, Terry Steinbach just to name a few. Anderson got that stadium built himself and had no issues getting the money. Teague sure as hell didn't help. In fact, I have it on good authority that money was donated for the lights from a PROMINENT booster and that Teague gave it to football. When Anderson found out, Teague was confronted and was fetching for his ass. He ended up taking care of the lights but not without some major trust and respect going down the toilet from one of his most respected coaches. So before people start ragging on baseball, pull your heads out of your rear, get your facts straight and act like you made it through the sixth grade.
 

...and don't get me started with this crap about dropping the Wrestling program. Maybe we should do an analysis based upon the number of national titles for each sport...then make a determination which programs to keep.

This line of thinking is hogwash and has nothing to do with the increase in Football ticket prices. IronRanger is correct!
 

Wrestling has a good solid fan base in this state for not being a power sport. There's no way it would ever get dropped not to mention its year in and year out success.
 

BHgrappler said:
...and don't get me started with this crap about dropping the Wrestling program. Maybe we should do an analysis based upon the number of national titles for each sport...then make a determination which programs to keep.

This line of thinking is hogwash and has nothing to do with the increase in Football ticket prices. IronRanger is correct!
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Or base it on whether or not the sport generates enough revenue to be self sufficient. Do wrestling and baseball? Genuine question.
 

You know what it costs to outfit a wrestler smart guy...a jock strap, a pair of shorts, and a t-shirt!
 


BHgrappler said:
You know what it costs to outfit a wrestler smart guy...a jock strap, a pair of shorts, and a t-shirt!
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They pay for their own shoes, headgear and warmups?

By my quick count, there's 43 guys on the roster compared to 42 for track. That's a lot of mouths to feed.

I hope they enjoy their "non-expensive" trips to Las Vegas and Hawaii this month.
 

I hope Norwood comes out and says "We continue to try and close the gap created by past Administrations and Legislation." Won't happen, but this is really what they are telling us. It's time to get with the times of Big Time College experiences or get out.
 


BHgrappler said:
...and don't get me started with this crap about dropping the Wrestling program. Maybe we should do an analysis based upon the number of national titles for each sport...then make a determination which programs to keep.

This line of thinking is hogwash and has nothing to do with the increase in Football ticket prices. IronRanger is correct!
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Here's the analysis:

Football, Basketball, and Hockey pay for that pretty wrestling program.

End of analysis.
 

Wrestling may not be a big money making sport, but it does average around 3300 people per match which is actually above women's hockey and slightly below volleyball. Like I said, not huge numbers, but also nothing to laugh at either for that sport. I believe that is either at or right near the top nationally.
 

Ski-U-Mah24 said:
Wrestling may not be a big money making sport, but it does average around 3300 people per match which is actually above women's hockey and slightly below volleyball. Like I said, not huge numbers, but also nothing to laugh at either for that sport. I believe that is either at or right near the top nationally.
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3300 huh? Charge $50 a ticket per meet with a $450 Scholarship Fee and fine, take them out of the review.
 

Maximus said:
They pay for their own shoes, headgear and warmups?

By my quick count, there's 43 guys on the roster compared to 42 for track. That's a lot of mouths to feed.

I hope they enjoy their "non-expensive" trips to Las Vegas and Hawaii this month.
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Well, all I know is come the end of this year, at least one team will be able to call themselves the 2014-2015 National Champions...and it won't be our football, hockey, basketball, track or baseball teams. So how's that for an answer :D
 

BHgrappler said:
Well, all I know is come the end of this year, at least one team will be able to call themselves the 2014-2015 National Champions...and it won't be our football, hockey, basketball, track or baseball teams. So how's that for an answer :D
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No, the Women's Hockey Team will lift that trophy again! ;)
 

Easy BHgrappler. I'm a baseball but also having nothing but the greatest respect for J Robinson and the wrestling program. I love all Gopher sports and hate when the lazy answer to help football, which I have loved going back to Holtz, is to get rid of sports like baseball, wrestling and gymnastics.
 

After reading this thread, I'm all in favor of dropping the wrestling program.
 

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