You can tell GOP is worried, because they care about the deficit again

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Truthfully both parties have done an abysmal job on spending. It is my own personal biggest disappointment in the Republican Party of the last 10 years.
 

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It's why we are best off with a Dem President and Senate and an R House. The R's pretend to give a d@mn about spending instead of ramming through RWNJ judges and spending like drunken sailors on the military, etc and stop the Dems from doing the same on social programs.
 

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No, both remove money from circulation, net effect is the same.
Cutting spending does not “remove money from circulation”.
they both have the same GDP effect, but GDP is a lousy measure and isn’t the economy. Keynesianism is wrong.
 

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Lefties complain when you spend too much and also when you won’t spend more.

Wanted to bump this thread because I guarantee now that Biden has won it will become relevant again.

I just saw this post, and I'll repost what I posted before:


I just want to be clear on this. I don't care that much about deficits. They're worth keeping in mind, but they're not worth shutting down the government over and they're not the simple rubric by which all proposals should be judged.

If Trump wants to give tax cuts to a bunch of rich people, I'm OK with it as long as:
- Taxes go down for everyone
- It's not used to justify later cuts for programs that help poor kids

But we were told repeatedly on this board that Trump was going to fix the deficit problem and there really hasn't been any indication that is true.

I didn't post the current deficit numbers because I'm terribly worried about them. We're now going on 10 years of austerity hawks telling us that inflation is coming.

I posted the current numbers to remind everyone that the deficit skyrocketed on Trump's watch, he did nothing, and Republicans didn't care. But I'm quite sure they'll care as soon as Biden wants to do something to help Americans.
 

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Wanted to bump this thread because I guarantee now that Biden has won it will become relevant again.

I just saw this post, and I'll repost what I posted before:




I didn't post the current deficit numbers because I'm terribly worried about them. We're now going on 10 years of austerity hawks telling us that inflation is coming.

I posted the current numbers to remind everyone that the deficit skyrocketed on Trump's watch, he did nothing, and Republicans didn't care. But I'm quite sure they'll care as soon as Biden wants to do something to help Americans.
 

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Republicans hypocrisy knows no bounds, there are no principles left in the Republican Party.
 

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The Republican Hypocrisy Pendulum swings back-and-forth, back-and-forth. Tick-tock, tick-tock.

They're all about family values one day; the next they're attending rallies and voting for a man who's cheated on every one of his wives and pays hush money to porn stars.

They're all about fiscal responsibility, then suddenly they don't much care. Then, whoops... they care deeply once again.

They distrust and hate Russia, North Korea. etc. Those are "Evil Empires"... remember that one? Then, suddenly, they turn on a dime and enthusiastically cozy up to the likes of Putin and Kim Jong-un and Erdogan.

Heck, they were all in favor of using the U.S. military to invade other countries... in order to "spread freedom". Anyone remember "freedom fries"? Now, they pretend that the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were actually conceived and initiated by liberals... as if Dubya, Cheney and Rumsfeld had nothing at all to do with it.

Tick-tock, tick-tock.
 
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For sure, it would be foolish to try to get out in front of this before it absolutely explodes under Biden, right? Biden is going to be under EXTREME pressure from his blue governors to bail them out for all of the stupidass decisions they made during the pandemic.

Can we look forward to money in the Biden Bailout once again for things like Institute for Museum and Library Services and the JFK Performing Arts Center when families are out of work and starving? Nancy was awesome at pushing that tripe through, what wonderful things can we expect THIS go around????
 

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The Republican Hypocrisy Pendulum swings back-and-forth, back-and-forth. Tick-tock, tick-tock.

They're all about family values one day; the next they're attending rallies and voting for a man who's cheated on every one of his wives and pays hush money to porn stars.

They're all about fiscal responsibility, then suddenly they don't much care. Then, whoops... they care deeply once again.

They distrust and hate Russia, North Korea. etc. Those are "Evil Empires"... remember that one? Then, suddenly, they turn on a dime and enthusiastically cozy up to the likes of Putin and Kim Jong-un and Erdogan.

Heck, they were all in favor of using the U.S. military to invade other countries... in order to "spread freedom". Anyone remember "freedom fries"? Now, they pretend that the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were actually conceived and initiated by liberals... as if Dubya, Cheney and Rumsfeld had nothing at all to do with it.

Tick-tock, tick-tock.

They couldn't have cared less that Russia was paying bounties on American heads. Trump couldn't actually be expected to confront his buddy Putin.
 

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For sure, it would be foolish to try to get out in front of this before it absolutely explodes under Biden, right? Biden is going to be under EXTREME pressure from his blue governors to bail them out for all of the stupidass decisions they made during the pandemic.

Can we look forward to money in the Biden Bailout once again for things like Institute for Museum and Library Services and the JFK Performing Arts Center when families are out of work and starving? Nancy was awesome at pushing that tripe through, what wonderful things can we expect THIS go around????
Get out in front of it? Like Trump's big plan to end the payroll tax and fund SS and Medicare through the general fund with "magic growth"? Is that part of "getting out in front of it" and being fiscal conservatives again?
 

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Who spends more, Republicans or Democrats?

There’s your answer to who cares about the deficit the least.
 

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Who spends more, Republicans or Democrats?

There’s your answer to who cares about the deficit the least.
Who blows up the deficit more? That party is NOT the party of fiscal conservatism. The answer isn't close. The GOP Hypocrites. At least they've got white grievance/social resentment and "religious right" to hang their hat on.
 

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Both parties suck from a fiscal standpoint.

That being said, can we pass another aid bill to the citizens that are on unemployment? This should keep out any pork and shouldnt not be complicated. Shame on both parties and both the senate and house for not getting anything done
 

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Get out in front of it? Like Trump's big plan to end the payroll tax and fund SS and Medicare through the general fund with "magic growth"? Is that part of "getting out in front of it" and being fiscal conservatives again?
Simple question, howie, if you can handle it.

Do you support Pelosi and Co in pushing out another Rona bailout/stimulus that includes things like $50 Million for the Institute for Museum and Library Services and $25 Million for the JFK Performing Arts Center and shit like this?

Is it your contention that Congress should be racing forward with a package that includes shit like this? Simple honest answer, yes or no, you fully support the Dems with this or not?
 

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Simple question, howie, if you can handle it.

Do you support Pelosi and Co in pushing out another Rona bailout/stimulus that includes things like $50 Million for the Institute for Museum and Library Services and $25 Million for the JFK Performing Arts Center and shit like this?

Is it your contention that Congress should be racing forward with a package that includes shit like this? Simple honest answer, yes or no, you fully support the Dems with this or not?

We all could have avoided this by voting for Bernie. :)
 

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Simple question, howie, if you can handle it.

Do you support Pelosi and Co in pushing out another Rona bailout/stimulus that includes things like $50 Million for the Institute for Museum and Library Services and $25 Million for the JFK Performing Arts Center and shit like this?

Is it your contention that Congress should be racing forward with a package that includes shit like this? Simple honest answer, yes or no, you fully support the Dems with this or not?

Why are employees of restaurants important, but people who make their living via the arts not important?

BTW, you're criticizing the stimulus bill that already passed. Do you have accurate criticism of the most recent House bill?
 

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The governor of Florida is making all the right decisions which will ensure his state tremendous livability in future. 👍
 

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Why are employees of restaurants important, but people who make their living via the arts not important?

BTW, you're criticizing the stimulus bill that already passed. Do you have accurate criticism of the most recent House bill?
Avoid. Deflect. Typical playbook.

Is it your contention that for some odd reason the employee payroll of Museum and Library Services and/or the JFK Performing Arts would for some reason NOT be covered like so many other working people across the country? And it was so critical that they be addressed SPECIFICALLY in this bill?

If this happened under Trump's watch (the previous stimulus), does your comment mean you have every faith that under Biden things like this would NOT be sliding through, things that don't have hardly anything to do with actual working class people affected by the pandemic? You feel pretty good about that, do you?

$75M for National Endowment for Arts and $75M for National Endowment for Humanities? $1B for Amtrak? You think shit like this was legitimate for relief due to the pandemic? What f'ng planet are you from?
 

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Simple question, howie, if you can handle it.

Do you support Pelosi and Co in pushing out another Rona bailout/stimulus that includes things like $50 Million for the Institute for Museum and Library Services and $25 Million for the JFK Performing Arts Center and shit like this?

Is it your contention that Congress should be racing forward with a package that includes shit like this? Simple honest answer, yes or no, you fully support the Dems with this or not?

I'll answer it. No....there shouldn't be any extra endowments for the arts included in the stimulus bill. Unless of course it's going to help support the jobs of the people who work there.
 

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Simple question, howie, if you can handle it.

Do you support Pelosi and Co in pushing out another Rona bailout/stimulus that includes things like $50 Million for the Institute for Museum and Library Services and $25 Million for the JFK Performing Arts Center and shit like this?

Is it your contention that Congress should be racing forward with a package that includes shit like this? Simple honest answer, yes or no, you fully support the Dems with this or not?
No, they shouldn't. But they will. The party of fiscal responsibility is all in favor of it too. They just prefer different pork and refuse to pay for it. Both parties spend money we don't have. One of them also runs up massive deficits while doing so.
 

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