I read it, and I will post a link for the community for discussion.Read the Jason Whitlock article on Gary Patterson controversy. St Pauli.
GEORGE FLOYD KILLED GEORGE FLOYDGF had issues and played a role in the event, but he didn’t have to / shouldn’t have died. Chauvin will still be convicted, IMO. I think he should be, and after all that has happened I just don’t see a jury acquitting him. I never felt the other cops would go down and this video supports that.
I think what this video does is shed light on the idea that this wasn’t some racially motivated act by a police force with “systematic racism”. That is what so many out there don’t want to see.
Let’s remember I , and nearly everyone, do not condone police killing innocent people. Get that nugget firmly in your head.My take is I don’t fault any football coach for saying racial slurs are not acceptable. And for what he say about Floyd, He can have his opinion. Mine is we don’t let the state be sloppy when using force against citizens. Every police contact is the result of actual illegal behavior or suspected illegal behavior. Defending poor police behavior by saying the citizen should not have been there bypasses due process. I’d hate for the standard for police custody to be so lax that death in custody is part of an understandable chain of events started with illegal activity.
The people who are most on board with the idea that you break the law you die are people who expect explicit racism from the police. If that is your worldview, I suppose, you could say Floyd is complicit in his own death for coming into contact with police. The rest of us will find it surprising even if he was intoxicated.
Always, and I mean always someone else’s fault.The thing that everybody will want to know in the trial, even if it revealed that Floyd was doomed to die of a drug overdose, is why when he went completely unresponsive the cops didn’t switch from restraining him to saving his life. Bystanders tried to engage the cops, and it appears the junior officers were concerned. It may not rise to murder but it certainly looks like they don’t care much about the people they are paid to serve.
That’s what Chauvin’s defense will be. And usually is for MPD. Look at the payouts over the past ten years, and you might decide sometimes the officer isn’t correct.Always, and I mean always someone else’s fault.
Sometimes the officers are not correct. Haven’t seen anyone say otherwise.That’s what Chauvin’s defense will be. And usually is for MPD. Look at the payouts over the past ten years, and you might decide sometimes the officer isn’t correct.
You mock people for having commenting on ag policy with no farm experience. You ask USAF if he actually knows a farmer. Well, I’d ask what your experience with the Minneapolis police Department is. I’m making no presumption, but if you want people to give witness to their experience now is the time for you to tell us your story.
Having lived in Minneapolis, I find the most of the MPD to be mostly concerned with the MPD. I don’t find that attitude at all with my current city, that has better leadership. I love my police department.
I believe you. And I suspect you are right that some of that department shouldn’t be cops. I think that is a safe bet. However, it is a gigantic leap from that to “systematic racism”. The problem with this situation, as with many, is the pendulum swung too far. That makes others dig in and in the end helps no one.More than a decade of living in Minneapolis and not one positive experience with the police Department. No, I was never arrested, or any such thing. And I’m really not a smartass in real life. I learned in boot camp how to say yes sir and no sir when it didn’t make sense to do anything else.
Strictly anecdotally, that department is populated by some cops who shouldn’t be cops.
Fair take.I believe you. And I suspect you are right that some of that department shouldn’t be cops. I think that is a safe bet. However, it is a gigantic leap from that to “systematic racism”. The problem with this situation, as with many, is the pendulum swung too far. That makes others dig in and in the end helps no one.
I agree that a likely outcome might be to plea it down to manslaughter. Maybe the defense lawyers will go for broke and have him plea innocent, but if so, maybe the prosecutor reduces the charge to manslaughter (w/o any plea bargain) and maybe they convict, maybe not. I almost suspect that the jury will convict of something, just to make the resulting "Burn, Minneapolis, Burn" fest less hellish than it otherwise would be with no conviction at all.Honestly, the drugs are only a very small part of this. Let’s just assume the fentanyl/meth/alcohol amount/mixture wasn’t enough to kill him. The transcript paints a very different picture than what was reported. I didn’t watch the leaked body cam videos (no desire to watch somebody die). But him saying he can’t breathe before being knelt on, and asking to be laid on the ground instead of being in the police car are interesting. Based purely on the transcript, it would seem manslaughter is a more likely conviction than 2nd degree murder. That is also assuming they can prove that although Chauvin used an approved technique, that he did it for too long or in the wrong situation.
Will he be able to plea it down to manslaughter after this is entered into evidence of a trial? Maybe the video shows something more incriminating, or eyewitnesses have damning evidence. But at least from the transcript, it seems like he’s probably not guilty of 2nd degree. That’s not to say they can’t convict him of that. The jurors all know that if they find him innocent, or even if theres a hung jury, the city will burn worse than the first time. I do not envy those jurors in the least; that’s a huge weight to bear.
Every day that goes by, I'm more in favor of abolishing public sector unions. The reason bad cops keep their jobs, is the police union. The union cares about power & the cops, not about the the people. Same with the teacher's union & the millions of failing kids/schools. Like the police union, they care about power & the teachers, not the kids. I say, if you decide you want to work in public service for the city, county, state, fed, then you should take the compensation package they offer.More than a decade of living in Minneapolis and not one positive experience with the police Department. No, I was never arrested, or any such thing. And I’m really not a smartass in real life. I learned in boot camp how to say yes sir and no sir when it didn’t make sense to do anything else.
Strictly anecdotally, that department is populated by some cops who shouldn’t be cops.
Don't kid yourself. There was always going to be a 'nuclear option' for putting Biden in the WH. If not the Floyd incident, it would have been something elseIt's a shame the AG/Police decided to withhold that video until now, or we might have been able to avoid a bunch of violence & destruction.
I Also thought manslaughter charges would be filed. However, the video shows that Chauvin disregarded the other officers concerns, and belittled Floyd’s asking for help. Those actions can be seen as intent to harm, which is required for a murder charge.Chauvin isn't off the hook, because he still can't let a suspect die on him, but the 2nd & 3rd degree murder charges seem pretty silly at this point. Manslaughter charges probably still make sense, but that's likely to be pled down to a few years. It makes you wonder why AG Keith Ellison would allow Chauvin to be charged with 2nd and 3rd degree murder, because presumably he must have seen this video?
Can you be more specific about how he belittled Floyd's cries for help, or how he disregarded the other officers? I.e. I have not seen those things. What was said specifically?I Also thought manslaughter charges would be filed. However, the video shows that Chauvin disregarded the other officers concerns, and belittled Floyd’s asking for help. Those actions can be seen as intent to harm, which is required for a murder charge.
I'm not sure I have all the details re that, but I'll state what I think to be true, and perhaps @WAGopher can fill in what I missed.Can you be more specific about how he belittled Floyd's cries for help, or how he disregarded the other officers? I.e. I have not seen those things. What was said specifically?
While theoretically true, that doesn't mean it'll matter. For the sake of argument, let's say the facts show that either Chauvin isn't guilty of 2nd/3rd degree murder, or there is at least enough doubt to acquit. Think of the jurors and what they know will happen if he isn't convicted. Undoubtedly, there will be more riots, and I would say likely worse than the first round if this Covid thing is still going on. Which most assuredly also means more civilian deaths by the rioters. Plus, it's also likely that you'll get the left-wing zealots that will find your identity and address and either threaten you for "protecting the police / being a racist", or possibly worse.I'm looking for what Chauvin said specifically to "belittle Floyd’s asking for help" i.e. That paints a picture in my mind of Chauvin mocking him "Oh you can't breathe? Should I call your Mommy?" or something along those lines? This is an important element. If in fact Chauvin is on tape mocking Floyd, that could indeed change things, but this is the first I've heard of it so I'm looking for the specific wording or actions?
Without that, I'd think 2nd and 3rd degree murder charges are out the window. Any decent defense attorney is going to show Floyd was either od'ing the whole time which is why he kept saying he couldn't breathe, and it was an OD, not Chauvin who killed Floyd, or that Floyd was the boy who cried wolf, and after saying it multiple times when it clearly wasn't true, Chauvin assumed it wasn't true this time either. In either scenario, there's no case for murder.
I just re-read the long transcript, which is an image so I can’t copy the text. Chauvin, while his knee is on Floyd’s neck continually ignores Floyd’s assertion he can’t breath, ignores Floyd when he complains about his face, and keeps his knee on Floyd’s neck for about two minutes after he becomes unresponsive.Can you be more specific about how he belittled Floyd's cries for help, or how he disregarded the other officers? I.e. I have not seen those things. What was said specifically?
I don't think he was belittling him, I think he was pointing out the obvious. I see this working in Chauvin's defense, not against him. It shows Chauvin believed Floyd was Ok, and wasn't trying to murder him.Chauvin at least twice belittled, or chided, Floyd for being able to talk while claiming he couldn’t breath. One of them was something like, “it takes a lot of oxygen to talk.”