What is it like on/off campus these days?

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Nephews son just accepted to engineering and he is very exited. His parents and grandparents live in a far more rural setting and have concerns about what the protests, crime changes, etc. How is life on and off the grounds for students these days?

I remember taking the bus from my job in St Paul, through Midway to campus and everything happening these days boggles the mind. For perspective on how long ago, I listened to my cassette tapes on this new invention, the Walkman!

Thanks in advance. Hope spring improves for you all.
 

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Congrats to your nephew. I'm sure he will do well.

Starting this fall, classes will be in-person again. But currently I believe it is mostly online.


This particular forum is mostly (older, conservative) Gopher fans who come to complain about (youger, liberal) politics. So I fear any answers you get here will either be tainted by that perspective or will just be inaccurate.
 

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Congrats to your nephew. I'm sure he will do well.

Starting this fall, classes will be in-person again. But currently I believe it is mostly online.


This particular forum is mostly (older, conservative) Gopher fans who come to complain about (youger, liberal) politics. So I fear any answers you get here will either be tainted by that perspective or will just be inaccurate.
More info I can get the better,. What other forums would you suggest? Also posting on Reddit. Thanks. Also, get off my lawn!! ;-)
 

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You could try the other OTB forum, usually a bit cooler heads there.

To your actual questions though ... I just don't think anyone knows what it's going to be like when full in-person activity resumes this fall. No doubt it won't be perfect.

The biggest thing of concern honestly, which I would tell any new student who is planning to live on-campus or near campus, is just to always be aware of your surroundings and try not to be walking alone, especially at night. Carjackings and phone/backpack jackings are just unfortunate and a reality. I'm sure we'll see a surge when there are lots of people back.

Protests, who knows. Yeah there might be some. Is it really a concern? It's not ever going to be a thing where rioters are destroying U buildings/dorms or something like that, if that really is a worry. No chance. I doubt that they'd even allow students to disrupt normal operations. Gather and be unrestful to voice their displeasure, sure.
 

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Despite the ringing endorsement of @MplsGopher, I will give you an honest impression. (Also might need to check your counts -- of the regular posters on this forum, at least half are not conservative).

I have two daughters that live in the area. My eldest daughter did not take classes this year but lives a handful of blocks off campus. My second daughter is a freshman living in the dorms this year.

In general, this year hasn't been a great year for the University for a number of reasons somewhat out of their control. But a few things that have happened:
a) Oldest daughter had car broken into and had laptop, camera, IPAD, journals, and a number of things stolen. (during the day)
b) Oldest daughter had somebody shot in the arm outside her apartment building
c) Oldest daughter had a package stolen from her front porch two weeks ago. Perpetrator was nice enough to leave the receipt next to the door.
d) Younger daughter was egged walking to get pizza by a couple individuals yelling BLM a month or two ago
e) In general, neither of them feels safe walking around campus at night
f) the dorm second daughter lives in is really empty relative to where it should be and the restrictions on the kids have been really overbearing

Last comment I will make. The University has gone full bore social justice/personal pronouns/inherent built in white racism in its curriculum and it has permeated many of the discussions in classes and on campus. My first daughter has a very liberal viewpoint and has not found this to be too much at all. My second daughter has a much more conservative viewpoint and has found this constant barrage to really take away some of her appreciation of her first year of college. (To be clear, not just the teachers but many of the students.) She would much rather take about chemistry than politics all the time. She will likely look elsewhere next year for school.

I do think some of these problems will improve next year with more kids on campus and more in-person classes. But it hasn't been a great year for the students this year. Not atypical from society at large.
 

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Right. So, most of your post is going to be completely irrelevant to him, as his nephew will get there in the fall when in-person activity is back to full.

I addressed the crime part quite honestly. None of the specific incidents you mention (as unfortunate as they are) are things that never happen at any other large, urban campus.

It isn't St Cloud or Mankato. If that's what you want, then you should go there.


Quite honestly ... with some exceptions, particularly if you're going to be looking for a job in Minnesota right after graduating with an undergrad degree ..... it really just doesn't matter that much if your undergrad degree is from U or Duluth or Mankato. As I said, with some exceptions.

(Again, with few notable exceptions) Undergrad degrees are pretty much just high school+. Go to lecture, do the homework, study for the test, get good GPA, done. It's far more about the social experience that you prefer, than anything.
 

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He asked the question, "How is life on and off the grounds for students these days?". I answered that question.

I qualified my statements by saying I expect some of this will improve next year.

I'm not sure what of my post you find offensive? Perhaps you can give an honest account of your kids' first hand impressions this year.
 

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He asked the question, "How is life on and off the grounds for students these days?". I answered that question.

I qualified my statements by saying I expect some of this will improve next year.

I'm not sure what of my post you find offensive? Perhaps you can give an honest account of your kids' first hand impressions this year.
He said "Nephews son just accepted to engineering". That means this fall.

Nothing was offensive.
 

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What do u suppose is the shelf-life of an unlocked bicycle on any major university campus? 🤔
 

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More info I can get the better,. What other forums would you suggest? Also posting on Reddit. Thanks. Also, get off my lawn!! ;-)

As long as he uses the proper pronouns while on campus and also makes his way to raising canes while off campus he should get off to a good start. Now i need a nap so am ready to go for the early bird . . .
 

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I went to The U 20 years ago and moved out of Mpls 8 years ago, so maybe it truly has drastically changed since then. But in my opinion, the same things apply on any campus. Always walk with a friend (multiple if possible) at night, especially after partying or in winter. The U has (had?) a security service you could call if you found yourself alone at night, which is nice.

I honestly don't think it's any less safe than other campuses. Mpls is just a lot bigger, so you inevitably hear more stories. When I was in school, UW-La Crosse for example had more incidents that made the news than The U.
 

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I went to The U 20 years ago and moved out of Mpls 8 years ago, so maybe it truly has drastically changed since then. But in my opinion, the same things apply on any campus. Always walk with a friend (multiple if possible) at night, especially after partying or in winter. The U has (had?) a security service you could call if you found yourself alone at night, which is nice.

I honestly don't think it's any less safe than other campuses. Mpls is just a lot bigger, so you inevitably hear more stories. When I was in school, UW-La Crosse for example had more incidents that made the news than The U.
Although I do think there is truth in what you said here, this current year has been worse than the previous three. Hopefully next year looks more typical. The University was also one of the first to distance themselves from the MPD if I recall correctly.
 

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Although I do think there is truth in what you said here, this current year has been worse than the previous three. Hopefully next year looks more typical. The University was also one of the first to distance themselves from the MPD if I recall correctly.
Hopefully 2020 is an outlier in ALL respects. I will say that UMPD is highly visible on campus. Not sure how far their jurisdiction runs into the surrounding neighborhoods, but they certainly have a noticeable presence.
 

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Back in my day, we rioted because our college hockey team won the national championship. I remember burned out cars and some friends on the receiving end of a billy club. Those were simpler times...
 

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Back in my day, we rioted because our college hockey team won the national championship. I remember burned out cars and some friends on the receiving end of a billy club. Those were simpler times...
That happened when I was in school 5 or 6 years ago as well lol. Except it was for just getting to the finals. So not much has changed in that regard.
 

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I went to The U 20 years ago and moved out of Mpls 8 years ago, so maybe it truly has drastically changed since then. But in my opinion, the same things apply on any campus. Always walk with a friend (multiple if possible) at night, especially after partying or in winter. The U has (had?) a security service you could call if you found yourself alone at night, which is nice.

I honestly don't think it's any less safe than other campuses. Mpls is just a lot bigger, so you inevitably hear more stories. When I was in school, UW-La Crosse for example had more incidents that made the news than The U.
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Back in my day, we rioted because our college hockey team won the national championship. I remember burned out cars and some friends on the receiving end of a billy club. Those were simpler times...

Antifa was around back then as well?
 

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Right. So, most of your post is going to be completely irrelevant to him, as his nephew will get there in the fall when in-person activity is back to full.

I addressed the crime part quite honestly. None of the specific incidents you mention (as unfortunate as they are) are things that never happen at any other large, urban campus.

It isn't St Cloud or Mankato. If that's what you want, then you should go there.


Quite honestly ... with some exceptions, particularly if you're going to be looking for a job in Minnesota right after graduating with an undergrad degree ..... it really just doesn't matter that much if your undergrad degree is from U or Duluth or Mankato. As I said, with some exceptions.

(Again, with few notable exceptions) Undergrad degrees are pretty much just high school+. Go to lecture, do the homework, study for the test, get good GPA, done. It's far more about the social experience that you prefer, than anything.
I have to disagree. We live downtown and in recent years walked over the Stone Arch bridge to many Gopher athletic events. Never concerned about our safety. If there were events this year there is no way we would have walled. If you follow crime reports you would see that that walk would be risky at best now- even in broad daylight. With the up tick in carjackings even that has to be considered. And on our side of the river it is worse. Try shopping at Target on Nicollet Mall or walking up the Mall even in broad daylight. And yes I am a senior but have seen this drastic change in recent years. I been threatened on Washington Ave and West River Rd. Fortunately police helped out as well as construction workers. As long as we accept this behavior as something we have to accept living in the city it will only get worse.
 

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Fun Facts #214: Wisconsin consumes more brandy per capita than any other state in our glorious Union.
When I saw you responded to my post, I thought for sure it was going to be for confusing the U's security service with an escort service. I first did type escort service but that didn't sound right.
 

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I have to disagree. We live downtown and in recent years walked over the Stone Arch bridge to many Gopher athletic events. Never concerned about our safety. If there were events this year there is no way we would have walled. If you follow crime reports you would see that that walk would be risky at best now- even in broad daylight. With the up tick in carjackings even that has to be considered. And on our side of the river it is worse. Try shopping at Target on Nicollet Mall or walking up the Mall even in broad daylight. And yes I am a senior but have seen this drastic change in recent years. I been threatened on Washington Ave and West River Rd. Fortunately police helped out as well as construction workers. As long as we accept this behavior as something we have to accept living in the city it will only get worse.
I'm fine with your viewpoint. But you are citing general Mpls crime and particularly downtown, when he asked about on campus.

The U has its own PD, for crime on or near campus.

No doubt when students return in person this fall, some crime will go up. I don't know if this would be any worse than at a place like U Pitt, for example. Maybe higher than a place like Iowa, perhaps.

The urban setting is not for everyone. To each their own.
 

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I live across the river, about a 10 minute bike ride from east bank. Its a big city, there is definitely crime, And crime is certainly up right now. Being out at night alone away from campus (marcy holmes )can be dangerous. Dinkytown and Como areas are a lot better IMO. Put your stuff in the trunk of your car. Don't carry around high value stuff if you can help it. Go out in a group if possible. Neighborhoods around the west bank are sketchy but most undergrads do not hang out over there at night. Dont bring a nice bike to school and use a decent bike lock.
 

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I have to disagree. We live downtown and in recent years walked over the Stone Arch bridge to many Gopher athletic events. Never concerned about our safety. If there were events this year there is no way we would have walled. If you follow crime reports you would see that that walk would be risky at best now- even in broad daylight. With the up tick in carjackings even that has to be considered. And on our side of the river it is worse. Try shopping at Target on Nicollet Mall or walking up the Mall even in broad daylight. And yes I am a senior but have seen this drastic change in recent years. I been threatened on Washington Ave and West River Rd. Fortunately police helped out as well as construction workers. As long as we accept this behavior as something we have to accept living in the city it will only get worse.
Do you regret your decision to live downtown? Will you stick it out or are you considering a move, and to where? Enquiring minds want to know ~
 

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When I saw you responded to my post, I thought for sure it was going to be for confusing the U's security service with an escort service. I first did type escort service but that didn't sound right.
Two different animals. 🧍‍♀️👮‍♀️
 

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I live across the river, about a 10 minute bike ride from east bank. Its a big city, there is definitely crime, And crime is certainly up right now. Being out at night alone away from campus (marcy holmes )can be dangerous. Dinkytown and Como areas are a lot better IMO. Put your stuff in the trunk of your car. Don't carry around high value stuff if you can help it. Go out in a group if possible. Neighborhoods around the west bank are sketchy but most undergrads do not hang out over there at night. Dont bring a nice bike to school and use a decent bike lock.
I'm not worried about the situation long-term. I think it's going to get a lot better as we move forward with a continuing focus on defunding the police.
 

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Despite the ringing endorsement of @MplsGopher, I will give you an honest impression. (Also might need to check your counts -- of the regular posters on this forum, at least half are not conservative).
So MPLS is claming most regular posters here are conservatives? Oh my, these folks are looney.

I just went to the GH stats and figured "reaction score" would be a good indication on who is having the most input/impact/visability on GH since the new forum. Of the top 10 - 7 are far-lefties, 1 is a moderate lefty, 1 is a far-righty, and 1 is an independent accused of being a far-righty. mic-drop
 

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I just went to the GH stats and figured "reaction score" would be a good indication on who is having the most input/impact/visability on GH since the new forum. Of the top 10 - 7 are far-lefties, 1 is a moderate lefty, 1 is a far-righty, and 1 is an independent accused of being a far-righty. mic-drop
I like stats. Where do you find those?
 

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So MPLS is claming most regular posters here are conservatives? Oh my, these folks are looney.

I just went to the GH stats and figured "reaction score" would be a good indication on who is having the most input/impact/visability on GH since the new forum. Of the top 10 - 7 are far-lefties, 1 is a moderate lefty, 1 is a far-righty, and 1 is an independent accused of being a far-righty. mic-drop
You are correct. Also worth noting, the far-righty you cited no longer posts on tOTB. Actually, BGA, CRG, 45, and KGF all rarely post on here now. Howie might even call it a liberal circle-jerk.
 

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I live across the river, about a 10 minute bike ride from east bank. Its a big city, there is definitely crime, And crime is certainly up right now. Being out at night alone away from campus (marcy holmes )can be dangerous. Dinkytown and Como areas are a lot better IMO. Put your stuff in the trunk of your car. Don't carry around high value stuff if you can help it. Go out in a group if possible. Neighborhoods around the west bank are sketchy but most undergrads do not hang out over there at night. Dont bring a nice bike to school and use a decent bike lock.
Sounds like a great place to live!!!!!! NOT.
 

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I like stats. Where do you find those?
Click on the members link on the top task bar. There isn't much there, but worked in this case. "Most Posts" is interesting, but it goes back to the beginning of GH so didn't seem relevant to the discussion. "Reaction score" I mentioned - and that is since the new site becasue there were no "reactions" prior to that (that I am aware of). Finally, it shows "points", but that is pretty useless because so many have 113.
 
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