Walz Should Be Locking Things Up Right Now - COVID

Wally

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That is the beauty of it! He doesn't have a say at the moment. We can hope that the Trump vaccine will be in place by January in order to ward off galactically stupid decisions by a would be Biden administration. I would guess there are a lot of Dems out there with buyers remorse at the moment realizing what they signed up for, with their foolish Biden vote, is ACTUALLY the authoritarian government the media told them that Trump was running. With the media, everything is upside down at the moment.
President doesn't have authority to lockdown the country so you can stop panicking.
 

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Again, SPED is a different world completely due to what each student's education plan is. That can be that way whether there is a pandemic or not. I'm not saying that you can or cannot fail them in a class. Last spring was a different ball game. This school year I have not heard of anyone saying you can't fail regular ed kids nor has that guidance been given by MN Dept of Edu.
I understand the Special Ed IEP limitations. My point was more about Sped teachers having to remind regular teachers what they can or can't do with those students. This year has been better than last spring but if full distance continues there will be more pressure to not fail regular ed students due to all sorts of things (fair or not).

Edit: we also had a few incidents of deans/councillors going above the teachers and passing students who clearly did not pass the semester (last spring). It was a big deal that wasn't addressed properly imo. Didn't go over very well with some.
 

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When 80-90% of hospital beds are filled year round, and then COVID comes along and fills the remaining 10-20%, is it actually wrong to say that COVID is filling hospitals? Fine you want to complain about the semantics of it, we get it.

We can open up some space by stopping heart, cancer, GI, and other inpatient "elective" surgeries but that only does so much - and then we're robbing these patients of care, and the hospitals of the money they rely on to subsidize less profitable areas of medicine.
It sounds like our whole health care system needs be rebuilt. Unfortunately both parties continue to ignore the root of the issue, and try to band aid it with more poor policy. It's not about health, it's all about the $$$.
 

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Once again - ICU bed capacity is greatly impacted by availability of health-care workers. Another 220 positive cases reported Wednesday for health-care workers in MN. That's 220 people who will not be going to work today.

so, serious question - do you want to go into an ICU ward that is short-staffed? Do you want a family member or friend in an ICU ward that doesn't have enough nurses and staff to monitor the patients?

An empty bed really isn't a bed if there are no medical personnel available to provide care to the person who would fill that bed.

it's not as simple as saying "there are x# of beds available, so we don't have a shortage."
 

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I understand the Special Ed IEP limitations. My point was more about Sped teachers having to remind regular teachers what they can or can't do with those students. This year has been better than last spring but if full distance continues there will be more pressure to not fail regular ed students due to all sorts of things (fair or not).

Edit: we also had a few incidents of deans/councillors going above the teachers and passing students who clearly did not pass the semester (last spring). It was a big deal that wasn't addressed properly imo. Didn't go over very well with some.
Ahh that makes sense. I wasn't quite understanding your point. Yeah last spring was a mess no doubt. Sorry about my misinterpretation
 

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It sounds like our whole health care system needs be rebuilt. Unfortunately both parties continue to ignore the root of the issue, and try to band aid it with more poor policy. It's not about health, it's all about the $$$.
We will end up bailing them out after this too.
 

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No. Advocating for public health is good, but he's an specialist in a field that is all about risk management. His whole job is to avoid risk. There needs to be a balance of risk and livelihood.
No, he's an expert in epidemiology. He may prescribe risk-minimizing measures, as a way to temporarily tamp down the risk of a surge in infections that overflow hospitals.

We should take that prescription to heart.
 

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No.

Letting Osterholm decide this is like letting a college environmental studies professor set gas prices.
No, that's a completely inappropriate analogy, because setting gas prices has nothing to do with a global pandemic and saving lives.

Saving lives is more important than keeping small businesses open at reduced capacity, right now.
 

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This is like the mom who grounds a kid for 60 days for a minor offense. After a day or two everyone on the house is going nuts and the grounding is lifted. After that the kid never fears grounding again.

People need to see people and congregate. It is a basic human need. We should have been done with this months ago with sensible policies that are targeted to seniors and those in poor health. See Sweden.
Sweden, NY? Because Sweden the country is nowhere near being done with this.

Still would like to hear your actual plan because you seem convinced it will magically solve our problems.
 

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Bga, sweden. Hahahaha

Coronavirus: Sweden to ban sale of alcohol after 10pm to curb virus spread
 

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There are many hospitals that flirt with capacity every year during flu season. Interestingly, Florida due to its snowbirds is an under recognized victim of this every year. Usually it’s associated with the peaks in flu season, oh also, healthcare workers have to get vaccinated for the flu so the whole staff doesn’t disappear.

The same doctors and nurses that are familiar with these trends have sounded alarm bells in certain areas due to COVID. You can discount that with as many tweets as you like but you’re downplaying and ignoring the fact that we do have a problem. What we do about that problem is up for debate, but the problem exists whether you like it or not.
 

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Ugh, I know. If they would just listen to people who travel into the future to learn the unpredictable unintended consequences!
Sometimes they’re very predictable. If you surround yourself with an echo chamber, as Biden has, maybe not so much.
 

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Then how did this happen? We've had restrictions in place for 8 months to flatten the curve and increase capacity, or was that all just BS?

Even the things you say are happening, are happening at a fraction of the rate they used to.
The curve was flattened too far, people became fed up/complacent/over it. In a nutshell.

Right now it appears like the hospitals up there are getting squeezed mightily not for lack of beds but for lack of people. That’s a big deal.
 

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The curve was flattened too far, people became fed up/complacent/over it. In a nutshell.
Yes I agree, we should have let lots of people die so then everyone would agree to flatten the curve.
 

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Yes I agree, we should have let lots of people die so then everyone would agree to flatten the curve.
If you can figure out how to get people to behave...let everyone know. That would be good information to have. Guns, fines? PRISONS? I thought we were over law enforcement. Wierd.
 

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Sweden, NY? Because Sweden the country is nowhere near being done with this.

Still would like to hear your actual plan because you seem convinced it will magically solve our problems.
How about your plan, joe jr?
 

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If you can figure out how to get people to behave...let everyone know. That would be good information to have. Guns, fines? PRISONS? I thought we were over law enforcement. Wierd.
When some of their friends and loved ones die they will be more likely to behave. I guarantee you I hate rules more than the vast majority of people but I also realize some sacrifice is necessary in a once in a century pandemic.
 

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Letting Osterholm decide this is like having your Priest decide when it's okay to have premarital sex.
Your opinion has been proven wrong.

That'll just make you triple down on your wrong opinion, even harder.
 

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When some of their friends and loved ones die they will be more likely to behave. I guarantee you I hate rules more than the vast majority of people but I also realize some sacrifice is necessary in a once in a century pandemic.
Still playing hockey without a mask?
 

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Letting Osterholm decide this is like having Mothers Against Drunk Drivers setting legal blood alcohol levels.
 

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Letting Osterholm decide this is like having PJ Fleck establish limits on acronyms.
 
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