Walkaway video....No longer a Democrat????

Wally

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Right. Always a good argument. Take more money from the people who own businesses and create jobs. They always seem to have plenty and most of them just fell into it without any risk or hard work anyway, right?
I am in that group so....

I guess we just wait for increased violent uprising and guillotines
 

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It's really simple to tackle inequality, revert to the income tax rates of the 1950's, the good old days, Republicans would love to go back to the 50's right?
The problem is that the Uber-rich have their wealth in stock. Bezos, Zuckerberg, Buffett, Gates, etc.
 

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I am in that group so....

I guess we just wait for increased violent uprising and guillotines
Maybe you didn’t earn yours. A lot of children of wealth and privilege become socialists.
the problem is that there IS a lot of injustice. Crony capitalism is wrong. So those unhappy with the system arent wrong. But their failure to diagnose WHY it is wrong leads them to the wrong solution.
 

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The problem is that the Uber-rich have their wealth in stock. Bezos, Zuckerberg, Buffett, Gates, etc.
To solve our current debt and deficit, we will all need to pay much more in taxes. The rich can’t solve it. Taxing 100% of the 1% wealth doesn’t solve the problem at all
 

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They have to sell it at some point
What does that even mean? Are we really going to become a country that forces entrepreneurs to sell their companies in order to pay taxes? If that’s the case, there would be no Apple, Amazon, Berkshire, Facebook, and hundreds of amazing companies that owe their success to their founder. Although I would be okay without Facebook.
 

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To solve our current debt and deficit, we will all need to pay much more in taxes. The rich can’t solve it. Taxing 100% of the 1% wealth doesn’t solve the problem at all
Agree - just pointing out that billionaires usually have their assets in stock, real estate and other assets and taxing their income wouldn’t make a huge difference.
 

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Agree - just pointing out that billionaires usually have their assets in stock, real estate and other assets and taxing their income wouldn’t make a huge difference.
Oh I know, I was meaning to add to your point.
 

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What does that even mean? Are we really going to become a country that forces entrepreneurs to sell their companies in order to pay taxes? If that’s the case, there would be no Apple, Amazon, Berkshire, Facebook, and hundreds of amazing companies that owe their success to their founder. Although I would be okay without Facebook.
No I never said force to sell. You think they want to live like paupers? How is Bezos going to by his mansions and multifloor penthouse condos if he doesn't sell any stock?

And a 100% death tax on everything over say $2 million dollars. You cannot tell me that old money creates a vibrant economy. I know losers who are set for life from their parents, the ones I know contribute zero to society.
Keep it simple...
 

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You will notice from that article that during all the Obama/Biden years (except perhaps the last few months), the rich half of the economy had much better growth in income than the poor half did. Also, Obama/Biden bailed out the banks after the 2008 mini-crash, but did very little to bail out citizens who lost their houses due to the Democrat-caused mortgage fiasco that caused the housing crash. In contrast, during the 3 pre-Covid Trump/Pence years, the poor half of the economy had much better growth in income than the rich half did.

It's a trend in the right direction. But then, of course, Covid came, and the Dems locked down the economy for longer than it needed to be locked down, with the result that Covid layoffs have hurt the poor half of the economy much worse than the rich half of the economy.

If the Dems cared about blacks as much as they claim they do, then they wouldn't be so quick to destroy much of the black economy when Covid came along; and Biden and Harris wouldn't have donated to (and asked others to donate to) the fund to get arsonists out of jail in Minneapolis, so that they could go out again the very next day and burn down some more black-owned businesses.
 
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You will notice from that article that during all the Obama/Biden years (except perhaps the last few months), the rich half of the economy had much better growth in income than the poor half did. Also, Obama/Biden bailed out the banks after the 2008 mini-crash, but did very little to bail out citizens who lost their houses due to the Democrat-caused mortgage fiasco that caused the housing crash. In contrast, during the 3 pre-Covid Trump/Pence years, the poor half of the economy had much better growth in income than the rich half did.

It's a trend in the right direction. But then, of course, Covid came, and the Dems locked down the economy for longer than it needed to be locked down, with the result that Covid layoffs have hurt the poor half of the economy much worse than the rich half of the economy.

If the Dems cared about blacks as much as they claim they do, then they wouldn't be so quick to destroy much of the black economy when Covid came along; and Biden and Harris wouldn't have donated to (and asked others to donate to) the fund to get arsonists out of jail in Minneapolis, so that they could go out again the very next day and burn down some more black-owned businesses.
Exactly. An astonishingky good first term for trump in so many ways. Our country has greatly benefitted. Yet media reports that he is the worst in every way.

See the influence as well in how the summer riots have been reported by the media. Poll shows that almost as many people think these riots are the faukt of the right as are the fault of the left. Of course this is ludicrous but it is what the media reports 24/7 and so it becomes accepted thought.
 

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Remember: when random Democrats decide to vote for Trump, it's noteworthy and indicative of a broad movement. However, when Republicans who worked in the Trump administration decide to vote for Biden, it's because they're members of the Swamp and can be ignored completely

 

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Exactly. An astonishingky good first term for trump in so many ways. Our country has greatly benefitted. Yet media reports that he is the worst in every way.

See the influence as well in how the summer riots have been reported by the media. Poll shows that almost as many people think these riots are the faukt of the right as are the fault of the left. Of course this is ludicrous but it is what the media reports 24/7 and so it becomes accepted thought.
I hope all you Trumptards have daughters who get the Trump treatment from some slimeball.
 

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Well, I don’t think it is the Govt’s responsibility to play Robin Hood like that. I’m for personal success and personal responsibility. If you are in the bottom, then do something about it and stop asking someone else to do it for you. I think we as a Country already give too many handouts to the bottom and ask more than we should from the top.
Yes, but now with this Covid screwup (including massive screw-up of the economy) we've really fumbled the economic ball, so to speak.

I suspect that we will actually need to take further economic steps that, "in the best of all possible worlds" we would very much hesitate to take.

We don't want to provide fairness in the form of "equal access to the trash heap of a crumbled society." [with thanks to Helen Pluckrose for coining the essence of that phrase]

I'm definitely not in favor of prioritizing "equal outcomes"as that can never happen no matter how hard we might try; I'm more in favor of prioritizing "equal opportunity." But we've now screwed things up so badly, that we probably need to compromise on something like "80% opportunity and 20% outcomes."

I mean, doesn't anybody else find it ironic that very few were in favor of $1000/month basic income when Yang proposed it during the Dem primaries (with a few supporters being @Wally and Brett Weinstein); and then a few months later, after the Covid disaster, both the Dems and Repubs agreed to pass a Covid relief bill that did just that (for a few months, anyway).
 
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Remember: when random Democrats decide to vote for Trump, it's noteworthy and indicative of a broad movement. However, when Republicans who worked in the Trump administration decide to vote for Biden, it's because they're members of the Swamp and can be ignored completely
 

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That general is pissed Trump is not ramping up foreign wars. A lot of these guys have big money stakes in the defense industry and are not happy Trump hasn't taken the bait on new conflicts. These generals care about lining their pockets instead of protecting and strengthening the American people.
 

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The folks that the Dem party left behind a long time ago when they chose to become the party of NY and California
Yeah, the blend of free stuff, blaming others, and no personal responsibility is a pernicious but tempting brew. Hopefully many, like this guy, will have their eyes opened.
 

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That general is pissed Trump is not ramping up foreign wars. A lot of these guys have big money stakes in the defense industry and are not happy Trump hasn't taken the bait on new conflicts. These generals care about lining their pockets instead of protecting and strengthening the American people.
"A lot of these guys." So no specific conflicts of interest in this case? Nothing like, just hypothetically, being a Raytheon lobbyist?

Trumpkins demand that everyone respect the troops, unless the troops are criticize Trump, in which case it's accuse the troops of conflicts of interest without evidence
 

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"A lot of these guys." So no specific conflicts of interest in this case? Nothing like, just hypothetically, being a Raytheon lobbyist?

Trumpkins demand that everyone respect the troops, unless the troops are criticize Trump, in which case it's accuse the troops of conflicts of interest without evidence
The fellas might be surprised to see how the defense industry has fared under Trump. Pretty sure business is booming.
 

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The fellas might be surprised to see how the defense industry has fared under Trump. Pretty sure business is booming.
They like to just pull shit out of their asses, most aren't worth your time.
 
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