Wake Forest to display emblems, ‘Black Lives Matter’ on helmets this season

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The greatest thing about America is we believe we are unique and the worst thing about America is we believe we are unique. We don't have unique criminals but we do have a uniquely poor criminal justice system, something the raw data proves with mass incarceration rates. Something understood by the Koch Brothers nonetheless...
 

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How about we stop being racist.
And unless you have first hand proof of racism, stop calling people racist. You don't know me or anyone else on this board. You are part of the problem when you make statements like
I didn't say you, I said we. American society.

Nothing I said, nor anything Wake Forest will do, glorifies a criminal
I agree with ending racism whole heartedly!
 

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a little off-topic here - but it seems to me a big issue with the policing front is that tasers either don't work or cops don't like using them because they're not always effective.

The way it goes now, if the taser doesn't work, then the guns come out.

What we really need is a better, more effective way to subdue people in a non-lethal manner. I think - I hope - that if cops had something like that, they would be far less likely to use lethal force. that would be a big help with people who are high, mentally ill, or whatever.

I'm not kidding when I say this - what we need are "phasers on stun" from Star Trek. There are a lot of really smart people out there. Hopefully someone is looking into this and can come up with a better way to restrain or control people without blasting metal projectiles into their bodies.
Like neck restraints, choke holds...

There is a lot of brave talk on here (and elsewhere) from people that have rarely if ever had their lives at serious risk. Some of the stuff we see can’t be defended and is clearly criminal and guess what, those cops have nearly invariably ended up in prison.

Have any of you considered how difficult it is to restrain a violent person, particularly larger individuals, with ill will? How quickly a handgun can be drawn and fired? Think about being in the position of these officers. Judge a little less harshly.
 

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Like neck restraints, choke holds...

There is a lot of brave talk on here (and elsewhere) from people that have rarely if ever had their lives at serious risk. Some of the stuff we see can’t be defended and is clearly criminal and guess what, those cops have nearly invariably ended up in prison.

Have any of you considered how difficult it is to restrain a violent person, particularly larger individuals, with ill will? How quickly a handgun can be drawn and fired? Think about being in the position of these officers. Judge a little less harshly.
You just exactly proved the actual point he was making, without addressing that point of course.

As he said, there needs to be a technology just as easy to draw, point, and fire as a gun, that doesn’t ruin lives like guns do.
 

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And, in the event these criminals are unrestrained, escape an/or otherwise allowed to roam free due to hands off methods and they go on to hurt an innocent or innocents the cry will be “why didn’t you do something? Lock them up!”



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And, in the event these criminals are unrestrained, escape an/or otherwise allowed to roam free due to hands off methods and they go on to hurt an innocent or innocents the cry will be “why didn’t you do something? Lock them up!”

I struggle to understand if people listen to themselves.
You prefer to shoot people with guns.

But we know you’re just trying to rile people up on here with a contrarian opinion that you don’t actually believe. That’s kinda your thing.
 

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Should I care? A private school in a state I have never been to with players who I have never met, playing for a team I have literally never watched play football. If we are allowing additional emblems on helmets I'd be fine with whatever a team agrees to. Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer teams not put overtly political messaging on uniforms as there are seemingly better ways to get a message out and more likely to alienate people than bring people together around a team.

Also for the record, i don't care what some random person in Winston-Salem NC has for a bumper sticker on their car either.
Agree that it is best to stay awayfrom politically charged issues on helmets. Unless there is willingness to open the door to each player's particular concern.
 

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And unless you have first hand proof of racism, stop calling people racist. You don't know me or anyone else on this board. You are part of the problem when you make statements like

I agree with ending racism whole heartedly!
Defamation and slander.
 

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How about we quit glorifying criminals.
Have you met anyone who is a part of BLM, talked to them?

They telling you how much they LOVE criminals or whatever empty statements you want to throw in there?

Does that make sense to you?

There's folks out there apart of this stuff. Nobody is talking about marksism, "destroying America", nobody is talking about how they like criminals.

There's this weird world were disconnected folks like you seem like you can't figure out what BLM or whatever is about ... and have all these strange ideas about other people and seem so scared or whatever they can't get past that stuff.

Meanwhile the folks involved with those groups are busy talking about entirely different things....
 

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Drugs, and the war on them, is nearly entirely reason for black poverty and (gang) crime/violence.
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Bingo
 

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And, in the event these criminals are unrestrained, escape an/or otherwise allowed to roam free due to hands off methods and they go on to hurt an innocent or innocents the cry will be “why didn’t you do something? Lock them up!”

I struggle to understand if people listen to themselves.
Why can't I shoot anyone I feel threatened by?

There are many jobs that our more dangerous than being a police officer.
 

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Maybe they have a 2x4 because they deal with dumb criminals all day everyday. How is BLM meant to be anything but divisive when almost all the money is going to the democratic party candidates? You would have to be a total fool to think it would be viewed any other way than divisive.
 

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Maybe they have a 2x4 because they deal with dumb criminals all day everyday. How is BLM meant to be anything but divisive when almost all the money is going to the democratic party candidates? You would have to be a total fool to think it would be viewed any other way than divisive.
Representative democracy with a binary party system is inherently divisive.
 
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And unless you have first hand proof of racism, stop calling people racist. You don't know me or anyone else on this board. You are part of the problem when you make statements like

I agree with ending racism whole heartedly!
I’m a Marxist. BLM (tm) is not “marxist.” Stfu about stuff you know less than nothing about. Less than nothing because you’re invoking marx/marxism from a place of such extreme and willful ignorance, you muddy the conceptual waters. BLM, the movement, might have Marxist elements, but those voices have been successfully smothered by identitarian micropolitiking. If BLM, as a movement, was Marxist (ML or MLM), the spokespeople of the movement would be demanding universal changes, not narrow, racialized, means-tested reforms (like reparations). I’m not against reparations, but that’s not Marxist bub
 

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I’m a Marxist. BLM (tm) is not “marxist.” Stfu about stuff you know less than nothing about. Less than nothing because you’re invoking marx/marxism from a place of such extreme and willful ignorance, you muddy the conceptual waters. BLM, the movement, might have Marxist elements, but those voices have been successfully smothered by identitarian micropolitiking. If BLM, as a movement, was Marxist (ML or MLM), the spokespeople of the movement would be demanding universal changes, not narrow, racialized, means-tested reforms (like reparations). I’m not against reparations, but that’s not Marxist bub

So the cofounder says they are trained Marxists, thanks for your understanding and your loving ways.
I am quite sure I am not as versed on all of this as you are, and quite frankly I don't really care what most people think or believe, but it cant turn into violence. We have many issues in society and need to work together for peaceful solutions. BLM is not doing themselves any favors in the mainstream public eye as there seems to be no forward motion in furthering educational and economic advances.
 

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Have you met anyone who is a part of BLM, talked to them?

They telling you how much they LOVE criminals or whatever empty statements you want to throw in there?

Does that make sense to you?

There's folks out there apart of this stuff. Nobody is talking about marksism, "destroying America", nobody is talking about how they like criminals.

There's this weird world were disconnected folks like you seem like you can't figure out what BLM or whatever is about ... and have all these strange ideas about other people and seem so scared or whatever they can't get past that stuff.

Meanwhile the folks involved with those groups are busy talking about entirely different things....
I guess Im just a backwards disconnected country bumpkin. One thing I can promise you though, I'm not scared.
 

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I recently saw a clip of 'Death to America' being chanted at a BLM rally, which isn't surprising given Susan Rosenberg is behind this organization. Their radical rhetoric and antics are what Americans are increasingly being turned off by, IMO.
 

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So the cofounder says they are trained Marxists, thanks for your understanding and your loving ways.
I am quite sure I am not as versed on all of this as you are, and quite frankly I don't really care what most people think or believe, but it cant turn into violence. We have many issues in society and need to work together for peaceful solutions. BLM is not doing themselves any favors in the mainstream public eye as there seems to be no forward motion in furthering educational and economic advances.
The cofounder of BLM (tm) which basically exists to sell official BLM (tm) merch. She didn’t found the movement. She cofounded an organization that became a glorified brand. I know the “abolish the family” quote that rightoid weirdos like Alex Jones and probably Fox News love to bring up. Yes, abolish the family. Burn America to the ground. Whatever. That has nothing to do with Marxism. Just stop calling things Marxist that absolutely are not marxist.

What do you mean by that “trained” Marxist? She read some philosophy? She had a Marxist advisor on her dissertation committee?
 

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The cofounder of BLM (tm) which basically exists to sell official BLM (tm) merch. She didn’t found the movement. She cofounded an organization that became a glorified brand. I know the “abolish the family” quote that rightoid weirdos like Alex Jones and probably Fox News love to bring up. Yes, abolish the family. Burn America to the ground. Whatever. That has nothing to do with Marxism. Just stop calling things Marxist that absolutely are not marxist.

What do you mean by that “trained” Marxist? She read some philosophy? She had a Marxist advisor on her dissertation committee?
"Trained Marxist" was her words, not mine. I may be way off, but all I can think of is "community organizer".
 

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Why can't I shoot anyone I feel threatened by?

There are many jobs that our more dangerous than being a police officer.
You would be justified using self-defense if retreat isn’t an option, but the law varies on locale. Police officers of course generally give criminals every opportunity to comply with their requests, with some famous exceptions.

True, but loggers and similar don’t have to deal with the scum of the earth on a daily basis. It’s probably a while other world, psychologically. Think about it.
 

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The cofounder of BLM (tm) which basically exists to sell official BLM (tm) merch. She didn’t found the movement. She cofounded an organization that became a glorified brand. I know the “abolish the family” quote that rightoid weirdos like Alex Jones and probably Fox News love to bring up. Yes, abolish the family. Burn America to the ground. Whatever. That has nothing to do with Marxism. Just stop calling things Marxist that absolutely are not marxist.

What do you mean by that “trained” Marxist? She read some philosophy? She had a Marxist advisor on her dissertation committee?
Forget about labels. We‘ve seen interviews of everyone from protestors, to rioters, to politicians, political appointees, Lebron James.

Speaking on LeBron, did he build a residence in an inner city neighborhood? Google query- looks like Brentwood. Wierd. Any police in those parts?
 

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The BLM charter spells it all out, yet the catchy PC tagline seems to override all that socialist, crazytalk.

BLM is all about old hippies, crazy anarchists, Antifa types, ignorant white teenagers, , and liberal whites going insane. As I noted before, very few Black people I know very well identify with any in this radical movement. The radical left has piggybacked and exploited the struggle of the Black person for their own benefit. This reality is a unfolding now.
 
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Such a peaceful group just advocating for social justice.

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