VP Biden’s quid pro quo threat to Ukraine...

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You wrote, "The process to remove a president is an election." That is objectively false.
I also wrote other stuff. Impeachment is a big deal. It is an option to remove a president. The normal way to remove a president is an election.
 

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I look forward to Section2 claiming that this investigation is worthless because only Ukraine can initiate an investigation

 

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Trump incorrectly references treaty that he didn't adhere to in order to defend himself.

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It can’t be. Howie says Fox News is a RW propaganda machine. It’s not possible for it to warn its tv hosts about biased or misleading information. (sarcasm)
 

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It can’t be. Howie says Fox News is a RW propaganda machine. It’s not possible for it to warn its tv hosts about biased or misleading information. (sarcasm)
So Fox has on progogandists, and you want to praise them for not trusting said propagandists? Wow. Why not have CRG and Beeg on to spout their latest Q-theories? As long as they say "we're not saying we're just saying" it's all good right?
 

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It can’t be. Howie says Fox News is a RW propaganda machine. It’s not possible for it to warn its tv hosts about biased or misleading information. (sarcasm)

Remember when you were fully bought into John Solomon's claims? Those were fun times
 

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So Fox has on progogandists, and you want to praise them for not trusting said propagandists? Wow. Why not have CRG and Beeg on to spout their latest Q-theories? As long as they say "we're not saying we're just saying" it's all good right?
Your theory is that Fox News is a RW propagandist ITSELF. Not that it ONLY has propagandists on it.

BTW, JTF’s article doesn’t prove Solomon is a propagandist. It only alleges it in an indirect way.
 

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Remember when you were fully bought into John Solomon's claims? Those were fun times
I haven’t seen any proof that Solomon is wrong, but you’re free to show that other than posting articles that anonymously say someone at FNC is warning their tv hosts.
 

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I haven’t seen any proof that Solomon is wrong, but you’re free to show that other than posting articles that anonymously say someone at FNC is warning their tv hosts.

A) Where's all the documentary evidence that you promised in page 1?

B) By "documentary evidence" I mean something like the text messages that show Solomon coordinating with Parnas.

C) The Fox News spokesman confirmed the document was authentic
 

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A) Where's all the documentary evidence that you promised in page 1?

B) By "documentary evidence" I mean something like the text messages that show Solomon coordinating with Parnas.

C) The Fox News spokesman confirmed the document was authentic
A & B) Solomon has supported his claims with letters, communications and such. He has made them available. The question is credibility of the characters and their changing claims. Like Parnas, he has contradicted his own claims many times.

C) Just b/c the the FNC spokesman confirmed that they had warned their tv hosts, doesn’t mean that it has been proven.

What it does prove is that FNC IS NOT A RW PROPAGANDA MACHINE as howie claims. Thanks JTF.
 

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A & B) Solomon has supported his claims with letters, communications and such. He has made them available. The question is credibility of the characters and their changing claims. Like Parnas, he has contradicted his own claims many times.

C) Just b/c the the FNC spokesman confirmed that they had warned their tv hosts, doesn’t mean that it has been proven.

What it does prove is that FNC IS NOT A RW PROPAGANDA MACHINE as howie claims. Thanks JTF.
It doesn't prove that at all. Is Fox News as bad as OAN or World Net Daily? No. Does that make it fair and balanced? No.
 

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It doesn't prove that at all. Is Fox News as bad as OAN or World Net Daily? No. Does that make it fair and balanced? No.
It pretty much proves that they are trying to get the stories correct, not incorrect or slanted.
 

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It pretty much proves that they are trying to get the stories correct, not incorrect or slanted.

Except the people who are supposed to listen to the warnings, eg Hannity, are still putting Solomon and Toensing and DiGenova on the air and no one else on Fox is going public with an opposing opinion
 

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Except the people who are supposed to listen to the warnings, eg Hannity, are still putting Solomon and Toensing and DiGenova on the air and no one else on Fox is going public with an opposing opinion
Opposing opinion? To what? Someone to say that Solomon’s evidence is contradicted by Parnas? FNC has covered Parnas’ claims in full.

Hannity is an opinion tv show host. All opinion tv show host pick and choose who and what they believe. And as I said, nothing Solomon has provided has been proven to be wrong. It’s only an allegation. Just like Solomon is making allegations, but has supported them with documentation. The documentation isn’t disputed, only the credibility of the individuals that provided them and their conflicting accounts.

The Fox News news division doesn’t argue for opinions, whether it’s on its own channel or others. They simply report and challenge disputed claims.

The real problem with cable news channels and network news organizations is that they spin and interpret news events and report with a bias. I believe that Fox News is the most honest news division in the business and doesn’t claim to be news when they are opinion, like CNN and MSNBC. Again, Fox News “news” ALWAYS brings opposing sides on to proclaim and debate their opinions in front of the TV audience. Its analyst panels aren’t made up of like-minded individuals. If you’d watch it, you’d know that to be true.

edit add: as an example, I consider The Story w/ Martha McCallum to be a current events news program. Tonight she had Kelly Ann Conway and Trey Gowdy, and Nancy Pelosi’s daughter, a Bloomberg campaign manager, and Dem Sen Chris Coons.

Pretty fair and balanced.
 
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Except the people who are supposed to listen to the warnings, eg Hannity, are still putting Solomon and Toensing and DiGenova on the air and no one else on Fox is going public with an opposing opinion
Yeah, because they have called most of what has happened the last three years. While at the same time CNN, MSNBC, etc were all cooperating with the attempted coup and lying their fannies off to help the Ds.
 

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I look forward to Section2 claiming that this investigation is worthless because only Ukraine can initiate an investigation

I didn’t say “only”. I said you need Ukrainian cooperation. Do you not?
 

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Yeah, because they have called most of what has happened the last three years. While at the same time CNN, MSNBC, etc were all cooperating with the attempted coup and lying their fannies off to help the Ds.
Crack Pot Conspiracy Theorist Joe DiGenova. A Beeg approved source of the Real Truth.
 

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The problem with Solomon's conspiracy theory is that it's pure 100% unadulterated Bullsh*t. Its been established that removing the corrupt prosecutor was an objective of the Obama administration as well as the European Union. Biden was there at their behest.
 
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The problem with Solomon's conspiracy theory is that is pure 100% unadulterated Bullsh*t. Its been established that removing the corrupt prosecutor was an objective of the Obama administration as well as the European Union. Biden was there at their behest.
What is Solomon's conspiracy theory?
 

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The headline on this morning's paper: GOP Turns Its Sights on Biden's Son

This is becoming the former Soviet Union or the dystopia of "1984," where the party is the focal point of power and the state (and the public) is subservient to it. They won't rest until they have permanent, authoritarian, minority rule.
 

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The headline on this morning's paper: GOP Turns Its Sights on Biden's Son

This is becoming the former Soviet Union or the dystopia of "1984," where the party is the focal point of power and the state (and the public) is subservient to it. They won't rest until they have permanent, authoritarian, minority rule.
Dude. Get a grip.
 

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They won't rest until they have permanent, authoritarian, minority rule.
That's the dream.

Also the dream: white supremacy, completely sealed borders (well OK, if you're an Asian PhD candidate, we'll take you on a special visa), invalidating religious protections for anything other than Christianity (including atheism).
 

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I would have been an American revolutionary dumping tea in the harbor while some dork told me to get a grip. What would you have been?
Investigating the corruption of the VP and his son is in no way comparable to 1984 and Soviet authoritarianism. Trump can't even have a phone call without the NSA listening in and tattling on him. His campaign was spied on. You aren't a hero.
 

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Investigating the corruption of the VP and his son is in no way comparable to 1984 and Soviet authoritarianism. Trump can't even have a phone call without the NSA listening in and tattling on him. His campaign was spied on. You aren't a hero.
What U.S. or Ukrainian statute(s) are the Bidens suspected of violating? Citations, please.
 
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