UACs & Migrants' name for Biden : THE MIGRANT PRESIDENT

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The raw numbers do not support the idea that this is a historic number of border crossings. Was Kevin McCarthy blaming Trump for that last peak? Or Bush for the ones before?

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Maybe i am misunderstanding your point, but CNN reports 2600 was the peak of UACs in 2019. Now we are up to 13,000. Very historic. All other articles i look at also talk about this month UACs in historic terms.

 

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Are you worried more about the actual issues at hand at all?
You know that the answer to this is of course "No".

He only wanted to try to "win" on one hyper-specific point and ignore all other context.

That is literally all he ever does. That's his dishonest, troll MO. To the core.
 
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Maybe i am misunderstanding your point, but CNN reports 2600 was the peak of UACs in 2019. Now we are up to 13,000. Very historic.
Your OP was total immigration, not only UAC. In which case clearly the early 2000s numbers are higher.

But I'm sure you're happy to pivot to whatever you think makes Biden look the worst.
 

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German measles, Ebola, Hong Kong flu, Japanese encephalitis, Lyme disease, all geographic areas where viruses were first prevalent. Legionnaires disease, as a lifetime member of the American Legion I’m traumatized by the stigma attached.
What a miserable existence being a member of the cult of the perpetually offended.
Naxxy pad is the president of the perpetually offended. And he hate whitey.
 

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Your OP was total immigration, not only UAC. In which case clearly the early 2000s numbers are higher.

But I'm sure you're happy to pivot to whatever you think makes Biden look the worst.

Take another look at the OP. Total immigration wasnt mentioned.

Have to admit i am surprised that gh lefties arent embracing the 13000 number. No more wall, no more mexican troops at the border, no more remain in mexico policy, still denying ice detainers. Flood gates are open. As well, really should be inconsequential that leftwing mexican president is talking about how the smugglers and cartels were ready to go from day 1 of the biden term, right?
 

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And no mention of COVID spread from the GH lefties.
 

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Let’s try this again. YOU posted the data about 690% in 9-months versus 61% in 2-months. Not me. YOU posted commentary implying the difference was significant and that it was worse in those earlier 9-months. Not me. I posted none of that.

Yet here we are. I use simple math to reduce your data and commentary to the garbage it was and you are left with 2 options..... a) say “I was duped”; or b) use verbal gymnastics to spew nonsense in an effort to move the goal post. You, of course, chose the latter.

Spoof catches one thing and he NEVER lets it go. Doesn't matter if its insignificant to the conversation. You made your point Spoof, yes it was a misleading stat, we got it, let it go. The graph puts everything into context.
 

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Take another look at the OP. Total immigration wasnt mentioned.
That's why you titled the thread "Biden the unaccompanied minor Migrant President", right?

That's why the first line of the OP is "Mexico's left wing president said unaccompanied minor migrants see biden as the Migrant President."

Right?
 

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That's why you titled the thread "Biden the unaccompanied minor Migrant President", right?

That's why the first line of the OP is "Mexico's left wing president said unaccompanied minor migrants see biden as the Migrant President."

Right?
Unaccompanied migrants are also migrants so i wasnt being misleading. I could have gone the total immigration route as well, but in 2019 dems/media centered the whole issue on minors so thought i would stay with that.
 

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I could have gone the total immigration route as well
You did - that's why you named the thread and used the quote about total migration.

Now dishonestly trying to switch to unaccompanied minors only.
 

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So dishonest. To the core.
You, JTF, are the one that posted the 690%-61% / 9-month-2 month data. YOU. JTF. Not me. I comment on that data (that you posted) and you then start talking about how I don’t care about the actual issue. I’m commenting on what YOU posted. Why did YOU post it if you didn’t think it was important and that it showed something real? Why? Do you often post things you don’t think are relevant?

Here is the truth. Simple math destroyed your argument and since then you’ve been hand waiving and goal post moving because you won’t admit you were duped. News Flash: You were duped JTF.

Just in case, here’s a reminder on who posted the data you now are claiming isn’t important and shouldn’t be discussed. I can add arrows if you would like.....
Anyone that would actually post 690% vs 60% to begin with can’t be taken seriously. Does any human being, Democrat, Republican or Independent, really believe that Joe Biden will do more to prevent illegal immigration than Trump? Anyone at all? Even the hardest core leftist or biggest Joe Biden Bobo on the board?
 

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You did - that's why you named the thread and used the quote about total migration.

Now dishonestly trying to switch to unaccompanied minors only.

Have no idea how u think title is misleading, but i changed it for you. Let it never be said that golf (small g because i am white) is misleading ☺.
 

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What a disaster for our country- economically, health, environment,
with 3 to 4 MILLION addl. illegals entering the next 12 months.

I get the Trump hatred, but how can any sane person support the current Democrat immigration policy?
 

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What a disaster for our country- economically, health, environment,
with 3 to 4 MILLION addl. illegals entering the next 12 months.

I get the Trump hatred, but how can any sane person support the current Democrat immigration policy?
The Jam Jam Clan are the leaders of this rubbish. They love illegal activities and support it.
 

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What a disaster for our country- economically, health, environment,
with 3 to 4 MILLION addl. illegals entering the next 12 months.

I get the Trump hatred, but how can any sane person support the current Democrat immigration policy?

Yeah, in many areas the dem party has moved so far left. Clinton and Obama made it very clear that the border needed to be closed down for the sake of our country. Obama deported a high number of illegals which i am sure biden supported at the time.

I am guessing biden's cognitive state is such that he isnt able to stand against the far left and so this is the result.
 

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What is Biden doing differently at US border?

How are migrants entering the US?

Migrants cross the border in one of two ways:

1. Those who "have suffered persecution or fear that they will suffer persecution" in their home country are eligible for asylum when they present themselves at a port of entry for admission into the US.

2. Others may evade immigration inspectors and border patrol by hiding in vehicles or traveling undetected across unprotected - and typically treacherous - sections of the US-Mexico border.

According to the Pew Research Center, at least 40% of unauthorised migrants in the country entered legally on short-term visas and overstayed.

Are unaccompanied children being held?

Yes. Unlike Mr Trump, Mr Biden has decided not to refuse entry to migrant children or teenagers. Mr Biden has so far left a Trump-era Covid-19 emergency policy in place, which allows US authorities to expel almost all undocumented migrants seeking entry - bypassing normal immigration laws and protections.

Now, hundreds of migrant children are crossing the border each day, and thousands of minors have been detained in holding facilities at the country's southwest border in recent weeks. The children start out being held by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for a maximum of 72 hours. They are then turned over to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) "to address the needs of that child", Secretary Mayorkas said, including vetting the sponsor families who will house the children while their cases are adjudicated in immigration court. Children and teens are held by HHS for a month on average, he said.

How is Biden defending that?​

Human rights groups and members of Mr Biden's own party have criticised the decision to hold children in government custody for the weeks or months it takes to match them with sponsors. Mr Mayorkas dismissed a comparison to Mr Trump's immigration programs as "absolutely inaccurate", saying his department was acting in the "best interest" of the migrant children.

But some advocates say that with most children arriving with plans to reunite with sponsors - typically friends or family - they should be transferred immediately to their care. And according to preliminary plans obtained by US media, such a system may already be in the works.

The Biden administration is reportedly rushing to convert its existing facilities into "reception centres", meant to rapidly process migrant families with the goal of releasing them into the US within 72 hours of arrival. The proposal would replace long-term detention with Ellis Island-style processing, allowing migrants to travel to US sponsors before completing asylum screenings. The reports, from the Washington Post and the San Antonio Express, suggest a major overhaul of the US immigration system.

What is happening with Trump's "Remain in Mexico policy"?​

On Mr Biden's first day in office, DHS suspended a controversial Trump-era policy that forced asylum seekers to wait in Mexico for their US immigration hearings. About 70,000 migrants were enrolled in the Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP) - informally known as the Remain in Mexico program - since it was introduced in January 2019. Last month, the Biden administration began to gradually process these tens of thousands of people waiting in Mexico, allowing them into the US while their cases are heard.

Still, Biden officials have stressed that migrants should not attempt to enter the US right now, saying more time is needed to rebuild the asylum systems they say were dismantled by Mr Trump. "A message to individuals who are thinking of coming to our border: they need to wait," Mr Mayorkas said last week. "It takes time to rebuild the system from scratch."

What's happening to undocumented people already in the US?​

Biden's administration has taken several steps to reform the country's legal immigration system. He has proposed a major immigration bill that would offer an eight-year pathway to citizenship to the estimated 11 million undocumented people in the country.

The legislation would also provide permanent protection for young migrants in the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (Daca) program, known as Dreamers. The aggressively pro-immigration policy - which would greatly increase both family-based and employment-based legal immigration - will face staunch opposition in Congress, among Republicans and some moderate Democrats.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56255613
 

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Spoof catches one thing and he NEVER lets it go. Doesn't matter if its insignificant to the conversation. You made your point Spoof, yes it was a misleading stat, we got it, let it go. The graph puts everything into context.
Catch "one thing" - doesn't matter if its "insignificant". Huh? It was literatly the ONE AND ONLY point of JTF's post. I was addressing the COMPLETE position he presented. I didn't cherry pick anything - JTF chose the topic.
- Yes, it was a misleasding stat.
- The graph puts a different topic into context. The goal post have moved.
 

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I agree with the concern around the moratorium on border personnel talking to the press.

I said earlier in the thread that this is a major problem and the Biden admin needed to figure it out.

I reject the notion that this surge is somehow unprecedented and thus a reflection of Biden's uniquely poor immigration policies.

I also have yet to see anyone suggest a better approach for handling the unaccompanied minors that wouldn't absolute inflame every Trumpkin and "Conservative" on this board.
It doesn’t matter if it’s unprecedented. Has that allegation even been made? What I’ve seen people saying is that Biden’s policies made it much worse. Would you even argue that if Trump had won re-election that we’d have nearly the same problem?
Results matter more than intent on policies. That’s really the main difference between left thinking and right thinking across the board. There are still some Republican blind spots here, war on drugs being the most obvious.
trumps policy may have been cruel, and it was poorly run. But being tough on the border soon means nobody bothers trying. Being kind on the border can explode into the situation we have now. Would you rather have 1000 people deal with an awful situation and then it stops. Or 15000 people in an awful situation because you’re trying to be nice. A little simplistic but the trade offs are apparent. Trumps problem was not the policy, it was the failure to follow thru and reunify families.
 

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Catch "one thing" - doesn't matter if its "insignificant". Huh? It was literatly the ONE AND ONLY point of JTF's post. I was addressing the COMPLETE position he presented. I didn't cherry pick anything - JTF chose the topic.
- Yes, it was a misleasding stat.
- The graph puts a different topic into context. The goal post have moved.
Catch "one thing" - doesn't matter if its "insignificant". Huh? It was literatly the ONE AND ONLY point of JTF's post. I was addressing the COMPLETE position he presented. I didn't cherry pick anything - JTF chose the topic.
- Yes, it was a misleasding stat.
- The graph puts a different topic into context. The goal post have moved.

Julian Castro has to know how misleading is this stat. Am guessing he judges that most people will blindly accept it and so Castro doesnt care.
 

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COVID spread from illegal immigrants flooding the US. Not a peepp from WALLACE!

The US is the worst Covid country, not worried about migrants. Listened to a podcast today with a pornstar who went to Turkey last fall and she said it was refreshing how seriously they were taking Covid.

Hopefully lots of dumbasses refuse the vaccine and get ventilated, including my moron family members. I would love to laugh at them after that. The gene pool needs to be strengthened.
 

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The US is the worst Covid country, not worried about migrants. Listened to a podcast today with a pornstar who went to Turkey last fall and she said it was refreshing how seriously they were taking Covid.

Hopefully lots of dumbasses refuse the vaccine and get ventilated, including my moron family members. I would love to laugh at them after that. The gene pool needs to be strengthened.
Not worried. About covid. After all your bluster.
 
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