Trump has Covid (...or does he?)

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She is a ditz. Defeated China as he struggles to breathe during his dictator like review for his subjects. What will she say if the ultimate price is paid by one of those infected in his group?
 

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He's saying he got the virus on purpose?
I think it's more of an in-hindsight perspective of "well, now that I've had it" perspective.. Besides praising the doctors, I think it would have been good if he had also expressed the sentiment of "If I had to get infected, I'm sure glad I got it now when we have better treatments, as opposed to getting it when all those early-phase New Yorkers did."
 

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White House COVID reports continue to come in.

If you really need any other example of the Trump Administration's unpreparedness...
 

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There have been studies on this and I see the phenomena on this board all the time. In surveys, Democratic leaning voters have tended to focus more on particular policies while Republican voters are preoccupied with more abstract constructs like "socialism" or "freedom." Those types of constructs do not have precise definitions or universally acknowledged details. They can be subjective enough to be shaped into a generalized view that "socialism" is anything that comes out of Democrat's mouth. Exhibit A on this board is MennoSota.

I never even think about capitalism or socialism. I just assume this is a capitalist country and figure that the primary questions deal with how much government involvement is needed to deal with the negative externalities of capitalism or the societal needs that aren't handled well enough by the private markets.

The GOP must have figured out long ago that they will have a difficult time if the focus of elections comes down to particular policies or details so they opted to brainwash their base with abstractions and hyperbolic cultural contrasts.
> In surveys, Democratic leaning voters have tended to focus more on particular policies while Republican voters are preoccupied with more abstract constructs like "socialism" or "freedom."

Well I'm not sure whether or not that survey premise is true or not, so I won't take a stance on that, but let's just assume it's true for sake of argument.

In that case, then it seems really really strange that said policy-focused Democrats are all gung ho about voting for Biden - a candidate who largely avoids taking a stance on policy planks, but instead just focuses on the standard orange-man-bad campaign strategy.

And to the limited extent that Biden does put any policy-focus out there to be examined, it seems like his main planks are: (a) let's ruin the economy permanently by means of too many taxes, (b) let's turn the future of our economic balance back over to the Chinese, which is where I helped put it over my extensive career as a politician, and (c) let's take some steps to add additional Democratic Party voters so as to completely unbalance the political system in favor of giving the Democratic Party essentially mono-party rule over America forever. The Republicans are actually voting on the basis of having considered those Biden planks, and adjudicating that they are completely disastrous for the future of the country. They are not voting on the basis of some nebulous concepts. They are voting on the basis of whether the proposals of the presidential candidates support the idea of them having a job in the future that can keep them being productive members of society, rather than having to join the (growing) ranks of the poor people living off the dole.

Sounds like the Republicans are more policy-oriented than @cjbfbp thought. And that's from the perspective of a lifetime Democrat who has yet to vote Republican on any election (although that will almost certainly change next month, since my analysis shows that both Biden and Harris are completely vacuous candidates).
 
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Thanks for that link.

The thing that seems kinda weird, though, is that to a very large extent, Biden has not even talked about those planks during the campaign. He just answers a bunch of whiffle-ball questions (written by his campaign staff, undoubtedly) such as the easy-home-run questions at the Biden Town Hall cum campaign stop last night.

And on a more humorous note, although I realize that the statement "America is an idea" at the bottom of the web page is just a nice good-feeling slogan, it's still just a little bit disconcerting when we realize that the last thing that Joe called an "idea" was the Antifa, who are working hard to burn down our country and sack its democracy in favor of a fascist approach of governing the country by mob rule.
 

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Biden talks quite a bit about policies; maybe not as much as Warren or Clinton but he talks about them regularly. Ignoramuses like scools just have a preferred narrative and aren't interested in discovering anything that challenges that. Then, they try to blame others for their lack of curiosity.
Hey, thanks for setting off the bullsh!tometer.
 

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I'll give that one a score of 10 on comedy value.

Now watch McDonald's stock crash as millions of Democrats avoid their burgers just because Trump likes them, and almost overnight there are no more Democrats addicted to speed. I guess the latter would be a good thing.
 
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And what was your answer to that question?
Walz should have been testing staff and patients at nursing homes and long-term care facilities at least weekly (when tests were scarce) and probably twice weekly now that faster and less expensive antibody tests are available.

As far as I know, Walz has yet to take either of those steps. The change of the mix of MN Covid deaths from 80/20 nursing-home+LTCF/regular-people to a lower percentage of nursing-home+LTCF seems to derive entirely from increased infections of regular people due to relaxing restrictions, rather than due to benefits from any (completely lacking, I suspect) steps that Walz has taken on the nursing-home+LTCF front.

I've said it many times before and I'll repeat it yet again: Impeach Walz for his horrible handling of Covid in nursing homes and LTCFs.
 
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> In surveys, Democratic leaning voters have tended to focus more on particular policies while Republican voters are preoccupied with more abstract constructs like "socialism" or "freedom."

Well I'm not sure whether or not that survey premise is true or not, so I won't take a stance on that, but let's just assume it's true for sake of argument.

In that case, then it seems really really strange that said policy-focused Democrats are all gung ho about voting for Biden - a candidate who largely avoids taking a stance on policy planks, but instead just focuses on the standard orange-man-bad campaign strategy.

And to the limited extent that Biden does put any policy-focus out there to be examined, it seems like his main planks are: (a) let's ruin the economy permanently by means of too many taxes, (b) let's turn the future of our economic balance back over to the Chinese, which is where I helped put it over my extensive career as a politician, and (c) let's take some steps to add additional Democratic Party voters so as to completely unbalance the political system in favor of giving the Democratic Party essentially mono-party rule over America forever. The Republicans are actually voting on the basis of having considered those Biden planks, and adjudicating that they are completely disastrous for the future of the country. They are not voting on the basis of some nebulous concepts. They are voting on the basis of whether the proposals of the presidential candidates support the idea of them having a job in the future that can keep them being productive members of society, rather than having to join the (growing) ranks of the poor people living off the dole.

Sounds like the Republicans are more policy-oriented than @cjbfbp thought. And that's from the perspective of a lifetime Democrat who has yet to vote Republican on any election (although that will almost certainly change next month, since my analysis shows that both Biden and Harris are completely vacuous candidates).
This is the first time I've responded to you and that is purely intentional. Before you waste additional time on me, let me be clear. I will not respond to you again. I consider you a garrulous windbag who is in love with his own voice. There are several other right wingers I do not converse with anymore and I'm not looking to add any others, especially you.
 

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This is the first time I've responded to you and that is purely intentional. Before you waste additional time on me, let me be clear. I will not respond to you again. I consider you a garrulous windbag who is in love with his own voice. There are several other right wingers I do not converse with anymore and I'm not looking to add any others, especially you.
CDtN brings more value to this site than many. Certainly more than you or I do.
 

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And this is what was meant by don't take a vaccine they rush out before the election. Inexcusable.
Two month data requirement, lol, every other vaccine has years of data before approval...
 

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Impeach Walz for his horrible handling of Covid in nursing homes and LTCFs.
Please god if I ever get to a nursing home let Covid or anything take me fast.

Hopefully you get many years to enjoy in a nursing home, I have Zero interest.
 

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You keep spouting the same line of BS. I have said that Walz screwed up in how he handled the nursing homes. He also adjusted his policies to new information. Something the Feds mostly failed or refused to do.
Oh, BS...
Did anyone think he was going to open restaurants and theaters next week? And it wouldn't matter if he did, few are going to rush back to them. A significant % of restaurants are going to close. That's just a sad reality, no matter what the governor does.
MOA is open. If they are having issues, it's not the Governor's fault. Mall all over America will be struggling to stay afloat.
Oh, you said Walz screwed up on nursing homes too...
With regards to nursing homes, what exactly is it he's supposed to have done that he didn't do? Thanks!
Then of course there was my favorite "nothing he could do w/o a time machine" quote, but since that was about the riots and not COVID, I won't post it here.
 

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So we’ve confirmed Donny and Melanoma have the Covid. How about the rest of the clan? Are Javanka well? Unday and Qusay hale and hearty? Enquiring minds want to know.
 

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You can call it a game. It has to be manifested somehow into an action that has real consequences. Otherwise your claim is without validation.

So here is the fact. The US has one of the highest rates of mask wearing, and has since May, when compared to Europe and other North American countries. If Trump is discouraging mask wearing, he’s doing a lousy job of it.

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I have pointed out in earlier posts that the US is one of the most compliant mask wearing countries in North American and Europe, and that therefore, the lack of mask wearing IS NOT the CV issue for the US. And Biden’s mask wearing is more of a campaign narrative than reality, which also explains why Democrat politicians are frequently found not wearing masks as religiously as they pretend.

In truth, looking at the below graph, it suggests to me that the countries that have been most stricken by the virus, results in higher mask wearing and compliance. So rather than compliant mask wearing resulting in reduced CV spread, CV spread results in higher mask wearing compliance.

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Trump is roid raging and going off on Twitter. He's not well.
 

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I have pointed out in earlier posts that the US is one of the most compliant mask wearing countries in North American and Europe, and that therefore, the lack of mask wearing IS NOT the CV issue for the US. And Biden’s mask wearing is more of a campaign narrative than reality, which also explains why Democrat politicians are frequently found not wearing masks as religiously as they pretend.

In truth, looking at the below graph, it suggests to me that the countries that have been most stricken by the virus, results in higher mask wearing and compliance. So rather than compliant mask wearing resulting in reduced CV spread, CV spread results in higher mask wearing compliance.

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Virtually all those disposable paper masks sold in the US are made in China. Many arrive here pre-infected with the Kung Flu. Mask wearing is risky and dangerous.
 

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Supposedly, Pence's team is now backtracking and saying no plexiglass. They are desperately trying to get her to cancel. Pathetic.
I am sure Trump ordered him to refuse it. Trump would throw Pence in the lion pit if he thought it made him look good or helped him.
 

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Virtually all those disposable paper masks sold in the US are made in China. Many arrive here pre-infected with the Kung Flu. Mask wearing is risky and dangerous.
I never really understood why some people just seem to hate data.
 

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“I haven’t been this confused by a masked man on a balcony since Michael Jackson dangled that baby off one.” — JIMMY KIMMEL
 
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