Trump Commutes Stone's Sentence

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Really dumb move, especially with the election in less than 4 months.

Trump wants to lose by a lot.
 

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Corrupt POS pardons Corrupt POS. RW "Christians" cheer it on.
 

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What happened to Stone is akin to a Klan leader hiding the fact that he's a racist,. so he can run the Jury & influence the sentence of a high profile Black person. Which is probably why these leftist whackos loved what they did to Stone so much. Injustice is their drug.
 

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Everyone is entitled to a fair trial. Even Roger Stone. With the Jury and sentence rigged, it seems fair to commute Stone's sentence, but not pardon him. Kicking in his door with a SWAT team, holding his wife at gun point, leaking to CNN so they could wait outside his house to film the perp walk, bankrupting the man, all for a 1st time, non violent offender, is plenty of punishment.

Roger Stone jury foreperson's anti-Trump social media posts surface after she defends DOJ prosecutors
Stone is most certainly entitled to constitutional protections.

Your link is all contingent.... and it's from February. He exhausted this potential evidence to no avail. Thus, the contingency was insufficient. He was not denied due process. He received more than almost everybody in the US gets, with his plethora of appeals. Finally he get commuted. I'd say the justice system did more than work for him.

No reason to feel sorry for the guy. He made a living being a dick. You and I don't do it because its sleazy. Being a political provacatuer makes one enemies; CNN being one of them. Does it reflect poorly on CNN - Yes. Yet still no reason for us to concern ourselves with Roger Stone.
 

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Really dumb move, especially with the election in less than 4 months.

Trump wants to lose by a lot.
A counsel for a House committee tweeted that he sees this as an indication that Trump believes he is going to lose the election and is trying to protect his post-presidential life.
 

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Honestly, if Trump wants to play the role of the cleanser, he’d not hired this guy. It’s an act, folks, and he just got owned.
 

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Not one of your better posts.
Roger is the swamp. And the swamp survives.

In truth, Stone was railroaded on this one. The President did the right thing. I am not convinced that is why he did it. If so, good for him for serving justice against his own interest.
 

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Stone is most certainly entitled to constitutional protections.

Your link is all contingent.... and it's from February. He exhausted this potential evidence to no avail. Thus, the contingency was insufficient. He was not denied due process. He received more than almost everybody in the US gets, with his plethora of appeals. Finally he get commuted. I'd say the justice system did more than work for him.

No reason to feel sorry for the guy. He made a living being a dick. You and I don't do it because its sleazy. Being a political provacatuer makes one enemies; CNN being one of them. Does it reflect poorly on CNN - Yes. Yet still no reason for us to concern ourselves with Roger Stone.
Stone's a scumbag. He reminds me a bit Woody Harrelson playing Larry Flynt where they go to court and Flynt says regarding the 1st amendment "If it'll protect a scumbag like me, then it'll protect you too".

Still the Mueller team clearly railroaded Stone. In what other scenario does a 1st time, non-violent criminal have the SWAT team burst through his door with guns drawn, have his wife forced onto the floor for 45 minutes with a gun on her, only to be intentionally humiliated on live TV after tipping off CNN? There's no justice in any of that. That's all political.

Also, the fact that a Democratic political operative who hated Stone's guts just happened to be selected to be the foreman smells a little fishy. The fact that she was all over social media talking about how Stone was guilty before she was on the jury, and that she hid her bias against him to get on the jury, is criminal. The fact that the Judge, after realizing who/what Hart was, refused to let Stone have a new trial, smells fishy too. In any other court, in any other city, with anyone but a Trump associate, this case would likely have been retried, or tossed altogether.

That said, I feel like having his sentence commuted is a fair outcome. He's been through an awful lot for what he was actually convicted of. Sending a 67 y/o off to do hard time on top of everything else seems excessive, especially given the constant push for sentencing & criminal justice reform at this time & the fact that they're releasing violent criminals due to Covid scares.

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A counsel for a House committee tweeted that he sees this as an indication that Trump believes he is going to lose the election and is trying to protect his post-presidential life.
Trump has 91% chance of winning second term, professor’s model predicts

"President Donald Trump has a 91 per cent chance of winning the November 2020 election, according to a political science professor who has correctly predicted five out of six elections since 1996.

“The Primary Model gives Trump a 91 percent chance of winning in November,” Stony Brook professor Helmut Norpoth told Mediaite on Tuesday.

Mr Norpoth told the outlet that his model, which he curated in 1996, would have correctly predicted the outcome for 25 of the 27 elections since 1912, when primaries were introduced."
 

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Roger is the swamp. And the swamp survives.

In truth, Stone was railroaded on this one. The President did the right thing. I am not convinced that is why he did it. If so, good for him for serving justice against his own interest.
It's what he has done his whole term- serve justice against his own interest. He has put up with more than any President ever while being a President who has actually stepped up, stuck his nose in there and attempted to resolve real problems that are controversial like these:

Fighting political correctness- one of the worst evils in America
Chinese taking advantage of America
Ending the wars
Stopping ISIS (hear from them lately)
End the corrupt Iran deal
Building a real border wall
Taking on NATO
Bringing manufacturing back
Increasing black employment
 

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All of these magnificent (albeit fabricated) accomplishments — and he still found time to play golf incessantly.

The man is simply amazing.
 

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It's what he has done his whole term- serve justice against his own interest.
LOL.

Among the whoppers you tell, beeg, this takes the cake.

Stone wont testify, in return for which Trump commutes his sentence, and that's "against (Trump's) own interests."

LOLOLOL.

You're not even pretending to be honest any more.
 

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Roger is the swamp. And the swamp survives.

In truth, Stone was railroaded on this one. The President did the right thing. I am not convinced that is why he did it. If so, good for him for serving justice against his own interest.
How was it against Trump's interest to commute Stone's sentence?
 

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Really dumb move, especially with the election in less than 4 months.

Trump wants to lose by a lot.
Unfortunately, while this gross level of obvious corruption is probably a scandal all by itself that would be atop the list of any other previous US President in the modern era, this is about 500th on the list of Trump scandals, and won't affect the upcoming election one iota. Scandal and corruption will never affect Trump's base. They deny it or ignore it.
 

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Trump has 91% chance of winning second term, professor’s model predicts

"President Donald Trump has a 91 per cent chance of winning the November 2020 election, according to a political science professor who has correctly predicted five out of six elections since 1996.

“The Primary Model gives Trump a 91 percent chance of winning in November,” Stony Brook professor Helmut Norpoth told Mediaite on Tuesday.

Mr Norpoth told the outlet that his model, which he curated in 1996, would have correctly predicted the outcome for 25 of the 27 elections since 1912, when primaries were introduced."
Yes, I saw that. But, you must remember a few things:

1) That model has failed a couple of times. Also, presidential projections by their very nature involve inference from a very small data set.

2) This model includes all elections but elections with an incumbent and ones without are qualitatively different types;

3) Very few incumbents are as unpopular as Trump and those who have been over the last 40 years (Jimmy Carter & George HW) lost their re-elections.

4) This model ignores polls. That's probably a reasonable methodology because factors included in the model normally would correlate with presidential approval ratings. Trump has been underwater in approval ratings virtually throughout his entire presidency. There probably is no other president in that sample who shares that characteristic. Almost certainly no other president had that characteristic while presiding over a good economy for most of his term. Trump clearly is one-of-a-kind.

5) Trump's economy isn't so good anymore and he has terrible ratings on handling the greatest (and only) environmental challenge of his administration.

6) You have to go back to the election of 1876 (that election is not included in the model) to find an incumbent president who lost the popular vote by as much as Trump did. Indications are that he's shed support since then. The 1876 winner, Rutherford B. Hayes, did not run for re-election.

7) According to very recent data from Gallup, the gap between Democratic and Republican party affiliation has increased from 4 to 6 points between the election of 2016 and late spring 2020. While not a huge increase, that certainly helps.
 
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Trump has 91% chance of winning second term, professor’s model predicts

"President Donald Trump has a 91 per cent chance of winning the November 2020 election, according to a political science professor who has correctly predicted five out of six elections since 1996.

“The Primary Model gives Trump a 91 percent chance of winning in November,” Stony Brook professor Helmut Norpoth told Mediaite on Tuesday.

Mr Norpoth told the outlet that his model, which he curated in 1996, would have correctly predicted the outcome for 25 of the 27 elections since 1912, when primaries were introduced."
Already been pointed out in another thread that this is bunk. This model is based off Gallup polls in May when Trump was riding 11% higher.

So. Much. Has. Changed. :)
 
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