Trump/Barr Secret Police in Portland

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Well that's obviously not true. Plus, according to the Coroner Floyd OD'd.
Craig, That’s not true. I’ve read both coroners reports and neither one says he OD’d. Yes, he was high, but didn’t have a lethal dose of anything in his blood.

I do agree that the death of Floyd isn’t solely responsible for the continued riots, but it definitely was the spark that lit the fuse.
 

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Craig, That’s not true. I’ve read both coroners reports and neither one says he OD’d. Yes, he was high, but didn’t have a lethal dose of anything in his blood.

I do agree that the death of Floyd isn’t solely responsible for the continued riots, but it definitely was the spark that lit the fuse.
Portland was f&cked up way before Floyd.
 

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You are confused. That is not at all what happened.

It's already been reported that rich Democrats have been giving their money to the protesters to keep them going instead of the Democratic Party to elect Biden and other Democratic seats. You can look it up for yourself. You know like George Sorors.
 

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AMEN. Allow and enable violent protests for 3+ months. Incite violence when the Feds are there. Refuse assistance when offered. Chase the State police away. Voice that you won’t prosecute. This guy is a criminal in my eyes. He created a situation that was bound to reach this extreme at some point. He knowingly put his citizens in harms way and created what has to be a public safety crime.
This is why you have Amazon not renewing their lease in the northwest. Poor Microsoft is headquartered there, but fortunate for them, their HQ is further out in the suburbs.
 

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Trump's America. Hes done everything in his power to destabilize this nation, from demonizing the press, to praising and encouraging white nationalism, to openly fostering us vs them mindsets, to advocating violence. What the hell do you idiots who support him expect?
Sure, if Trump had been a weak milquetoast type like Mittens Romney, the left, and their propaganda arm, the media would have loved him?

What a load of crap. The great divider, sure.

Trump clearly calls out the media, and he defends himself.

The left is used to punching bags like Mittens and the Bushes. Trump will not play your game, so you on the left melt down.

Nice try trying to blame Trump for 55 years of bad liberal utopian ideas failing the urban core and minorities. The Democrats own every bit of this mess, especially in minneapolis, Baltimore, Chicago, ect
> Trump's America.

Why is it that when the extreme leftists really have no facts to support their (what amounts to) totally illogical argument, they always crown their lack-of-a-good-argument with "Trump's America."
 

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We didn't have this under Carter, Reagan, either Bush, Clinton, Obama.
But Trump comes in and immediately empowers the worst Americans, demonizes the rest of America, and you act surprised.
Own it. This is what you voted for. What you want. Trump's America.
Perhaps a history lesson is in order. Recall that the leftist a-holes had already come out of the woodwork to start their process of the instigation of anarchy on the Inaurguration Day that Trump began his tenure as President. He had no power before that, so there is no way that his policies or decisions of his administration can be held causally responsible for all the rioting and looting and killing that @USAF's buddies have committed during Trump's administration.

Furthermore, going back even further, months before the Inauguration, people like Hillary Clinton (with help from Obama and Biden) were leveraging our country's own national security agencies to investigate the Hillary-sponsored false rumors about Trump that she started (to divert attention from failures of her own campaign) - and this ultimately led to what amounts to a coup attempt by the Democrats. So before Trump even sat in the Oval Office, the opposition had already adopted tactics of simultaneous coup by the elites and anarchy by the a-holes.

The fact that we didn't have this under Carter, Reagan, Bush/Bush, Clinton and Obama, merely means that during the Carter, Reagan, Bush/Bush, Clinton and Obama administrations, the opposition was civil and law-abiding and constitution-respecting.

Not so for the opposition Democrats and rioters and criminals during the Trump administration. They are at fault, not Trump.

@USAF's argument is so screwed up, that I doubt that even taking the Symbolic Logic classes at the U of Minnesota (suggested sequence: PHIL 1001: Intro to Logic; PHIL 1005: Scientific Reasoning; PHIL 5201: Symbolic Logic I; PHIL 5202: Symbolic Logic II; PHIL 5211: Modal Logic), could straighten him out.
 
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They expect to be to be loved for trying to turn what used to be the greatest country in the world into a right wing dictatorship. Anyone who supports a fascist - is a fascist.
> Anyone who supports a fascist - is a fascist.

There's @Go4Broke, caught red-handed using a Fascist tactic ...

Step 1: Call (with no justification whatsoever) the leader of the political opposition (to your personal point of view) a Fascist.

Step 2: Assert that anyone who supports such an accused (but actually not) Fascist leader, is also a Fascist.

Step 3: Claim that it is justified to use violence and other Fascist techniques to prevent your (accused-as-Fascist) political opponents from exercising their rights of free speech (by expressing their opinion or staging peaceful rallies).

Step 4: Use linguistic tricks, such as calling your team the "anti-Fascist" team (e.g., Antifa) when in fact your team is the Fascist team, that is being tricky by calling the opposing team Fascist.

Step 5: Donate a pile of your money to Fascist/terrorist groups like BLMgnf and Antifa, so that they can do your Fascist dirty work for you, and you can just relax in your easy chair and watch America burn on the daily news.
 

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> Anyone who supports a fascist - is a fascist.

There's @Go4Broke, caught red-handed using a Fascist tactic ...

Step 1: Call (with no justification whatsoever) the leader of the political opposition (to your personal point of view) a Fascist.

Step 2: Assert that anyone who supports such an accused (but actually not) Fascist leader, is also a Fascist.

Step 3: Claim that it is justified to use violence and other Fascist techniques to prevent your (accused-as-Fascist) political opponents from exercising their rights of free speech (by expressing their opinion or staging peaceful rallies).

Step 4: Use linguistic tricks, such as calling your team the "anti-Fascist" team (e.g., Antifa) when in fact your team is the Fascist team, that is being tricky by calling the opposing team Fascist.

Step 5: Donate a pile of your money to Fascist/terrorist groups like BLMgnf and Antifa, so that they can do your Fascist dirty work for you, and you can just relax in your easy chair and watch America burn on the daily news.
Not to mention, progs like BROKE don’t even know what they mean when they label things fascist. Authoritarian nationalism, dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, strong regimentation of society and economy.
which of these is currently occurring? None.
which of these traits are exhibited by BLM Antifa? All except holding power. God help us if they ever do.
 

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They call Trump a fascist but then also accuse him of not doing anything or having a plan. It really can’t be both. The guy sitting in St Paul is far closer to being a fascist than the guy in the WH.
 

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> Anyone who supports a fascist - is a fascist.

There's @Go4Broke, caught red-handed using a Fascist tactic ...

Step 1: Call (with no justification whatsoever) the leader of the political opposition (to your personal point of view) a Fascist.

Step 2: Assert that anyone who supports such an accused (but actually not) Fascist leader, is also a Fascist.

Step 3: Claim that it is justified to use violence and other Fascist techniques to prevent your (accused-as-Fascist) political opponents from exercising their rights of free speech (by expressing their opinion or staging peaceful rallies).

Step 4: Use linguistic tricks, such as calling your team the "anti-Fascist" team (e.g., Antifa) when in fact your team is the Fascist team, that is being tricky by calling the opposing team Fascist.

Step 5: Donate a pile of your money to Fascist/terrorist groups like BLMgnf and Antifa, so that they can do your Fascist dirty work for you, and you can just relax in your easy chair and watch America burn on the daily news.
I’ll ask again where you’re pulling your idea of fascism from? I asked once and you ran away with your tail between your legs like a coward.
 

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They call Trump a fascist but then also accuse him of not doing anything or having a plan. It really can’t be both. The guy sitting in St Paul is far closer to being a fascist than the guy in the WH.
Not being able to use the McDonald’s bathroom isn’t fascism, you gigantic pussy.
 

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Not to mention, progs like BROKE don’t even know what they mean when they label things fascist. Authoritarian nationalism, dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, strong regimentation of society and economy.
which of these is currently occurring? None.
which of these traits are exhibited by BLM Antifa? All except holding power. God help us if they ever do.
BLM and Antifa exhibit authoritarian nationalism? What?
 

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This is why you have Amazon not renewing their lease in the northwest. Poor Microsoft is headquartered there, but fortunate for them, their HQ is further out in the suburbs.
No its because Amazon has so much of that city its rediculous. They need to diversify, blaming protests lol.
 

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Jeff Bezos, conservative industrialist.
Obviously thats why they were going to build HQ2 in New York and Washington DC. Only thing Trumpville gets is a distribution center. ROTFLMAO
 

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BLM and Antifa exhibit authoritarian nationalism? What?
Authoritarianism. Not nationalism yet.
Actually. When you think about BLM, it is a certain kind of cultural nationalism.
 
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I’ll ask again where you’re pulling your idea of fascism from? I asked once and you ran away with your tail between your legs like a coward.
Sorry, I thought you were capable of using Wikipedia, but I'll break it down for you, covering the specific aspects of Fascism that are of most interest to me in terms of understanding the modern political movements that use Fascist techniques.

There are several aspects to the term "fascist" or "fascism," including some quite specific definitions in the context of certain historical governments such as Benito Mussolini's pre- and during-WW2 government. See the Wiki at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

But my use of the term was more along the lines of some general traits of the fascist philosophy as well as some very specific traits that apply to political philosophies held by some modern organizations/movements that intentionally incorporate the root-word "fascist" in their name - most notably Antifa.

@Section2 covers some of these general "fascist" traits ...
Not to mention, progs like BROKE don’t even know what they mean when they label things fascist. Authoritarian nationalism, dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, strong regimentation of society and economy.
which of these is currently occurring? None.
which of these traits are exhibited by BLM Antifa? All except holding power. God help us if they ever do.
Most notably, I'm interested in the fascist tactics of "forcible suppression of opposition" and desire for "dictatorial power." These are key traits of Antifa. One of their key/most-prominent activities is the suppression of freedom of speech of their opponents. For instance, if any of their political opponents tries to hold a rally, they will send out invites to their sympathizers to come to a counter-rally in which they will use violent methods (e.g., throwing soup cans, plus murder, during their most recent outing in Denver) to try to make it difficult for other people wanting to express their right to free speech to do so. Their goal is to make it so dangerous for others to voice opposing opinions, that those people will decide to stay home instead.

The ironic twist with Antifa is that they use the relabeling trick. They relabel their political opponents as Fascists (regardless of what their opponents really believe). They call themselves Antifa that is short for "Anti-Fascist" and in many of their meetings/riots they use the terminology of calling "Anti-Fascists" to assemble to "shout down" the Fascists. Yet, in doing so, they are using the key Fascist technique of violence as a methodology for shouting down the people they are wrongly accusing of being Fascist. This is double-speak or maybe more accurately new-speak (see George Orwell).

It is this particular aspect of Fascism that I am most focused on in the various mentions I've made of the term in recent posts. I'm not so interested in some of the broader historic traits of traditional Fascist governments such as in Mussolini's Italy, although I acknowledge that there is some history there, and when Fascist governments do take power, they often have some predictable traits. If the Antifa took power, they might not have all of those traditional Fascist traits, but they certainly would believe in some form of dictatorial power. People like the Antifa strongly possess the trait of the "arrogance of being sure they are correct," when in reality they are largely FoS, and they will enforce their presumed correctness on everyone else. This leads to dictatorial states (such as what has always happened thus far when Communist regimes take control, or even when extreme socialist regimes take control, such as in Venezuela).

So that's the irony that is Antifa. The Antifa idiots are Anti-Fascist only in the sense that their name is a shortcut for the longer term that has the letters a-n-t-i-f-a-s-c-i-s-t in it, but in reality the Antifa per se are using violent/terrorist Fascist techniques to try to suppress their political opponents (who they wrongly call Fascist).
 
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Not to mention, progs like BROKE don’t even know what they mean when they label things fascist. Authoritarian nationalism, dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, strong regimentation of society and economy.
which of these is currently occurring? None.
which of these traits are exhibited by BLM Antifa? All except holding power. God help us if they ever do.
Your stretching alot. Antifa? There is no leader, no organization nothing but an idea. Funny how scared the Right is of ideas. Cuba is example number one of this fear of ideas.

I am not saying anything about Cuba is great, but just that the very idea scares the Right so much they have to cut off all contact with it.
 

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Your stretching alot. Antifa? There is no leader, no organization nothing but an idea. Funny how scared the Right is of ideas. Cuba is example number one of this fear of ideas.

I am not saying anything about Cuba is great, but just that the very idea scares the Right so much they have to cut off all contact with it.
It is just incredible how some of you got to this point.
 

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Sorry, I thought you were capable of using Wikipedia, but I'll break it down for you, covering the specific aspects of Fascism that are of most interest to me in terms of understanding the modern political movements that use Fascist techniques.

There are several aspects to the term "fascist" or "fascism," including some quite specific definitions in the context of certain historical governments such as Benito Mussolini's pre- and during-WW2 government. See the Wiki at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

But my use of the term was more along the lines of some general traits of the fascist philosophy as well as some very specific traits that apply to political philosophies held by some modern organizations/movements that intentionally incorporate the root-word "fascist" in their name - most notably Antifa.

@Section2 covers some of these general "fascist" traits ...

Most notably, I'm interested in the fascist tactics of "forcible suppression of opposition" and desire for "dictatorial power." These are key traits of Antifa. One of their key/most-prominent activities is the suppression of freedom of speech of their opponents. For instance, if any of their political opponents tries to hold a rally, they will send out invites to their sympathizers to come to a counter-rally in which they will use violent methods (e.g., throwing soup cans, plus murder, during their most recent outing in Denver) to try to make it difficult for other people wanting to express their right to free speech to do so. Their goal is to make it so dangerous for others to voice opposing opinions, that those people will decide to stay home instead.

The ironic twist with Antifa is that they use the relabeling trick. They relabel their political opponents as Fascists (regardless of what their opponents really believe). They call themselves Antifa that is short for "Anti-Fascist" and in many of their meetings/riots they use the terminology of calling "Anti-Fascists" to assemble to "shout down" the Fascists. Yet, in doing so, they are using the key Fascist technique of violence as a methodology for shouting down the people they are wrongly accusing of being Fascist. This is double-speak or maybe more accurately new-speak (see George Orwell).

It is this particular aspect of Fascism that I am most focused on in the various mentions I've made of the term in recent posts. I'm not so interested in some of the broader historic traits of traditional Fascist governments such as in Mussolini's Italy, although I acknowledge that there is some history there, and when Fascist governments do take power, they often have some predictable traits. If the Antifa took power, they might not have all of those traditional Fascist traits, but they certainly would believe in some form of dictatorial power. People like the Antifa strongly possess the trait of the "arrogance of being sure they are correct," when in reality they are largely FoS, and they will enforce their presumed correctness on everyone else. This leads to dictatorial states (such as what has always happened thus far when Communist regimes take control, or even when extreme socialist regimes take control, such as in Venezuela).

So that's the irony that is Antifa. The Antifa idiots are Anti-Fascist only in the sense that their name is a shortcut for the longer term that has the letters a-n-t-i-f-a-s-c-i-s-t in it, but in reality the Antifa per se are using violent/terrorist Fascist techniques to try to suppress their political opponents (who they wrongly call Fascist).
LOLOLOLOL

What an impressive pile of steaming dung.
 

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Your stretching alot. Antifa? There is no leader, no organization nothing but an idea. Funny how scared the Right is of ideas. Cuba is example number one of this fear of ideas.

I am not saying anything about Cuba is great, but just that the very idea scares the Right so much they have to cut off all contact with it.
What is this fetish with labeling all opposition to the progressive movement as an irrational fear?
communism may just be an idea, but it’s one that killed 100 million people last century.
 
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