Trump Admin Moves to Corrupt Coronavirus Data

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You mean like every other advanced country on Earth? Yeah, he would do like they did. Gee, it would suck to be where Germany is right now, right?
Germany had 245 million less people in their country. I see lots of states and counties and cities passing mask ordinances, why do you need the federal government to mandate masks. If Walz is so worried about the virus why has he no implemented a mask mandate for the state. There is nothing to stop him from doing that.
 

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I know you're a "both sides" kind of guy. But yes it is a Trump issue. No previous President, Democrat or Republican) would try to get away with this. I know we say that twice a week but it's true.
What exactly is he “trying to get away with?” How exactly is DT going to manipulate data without anyone knowing? Is he going to do it personally or how many people does he have in on it that will stay quiet? Are the people who supplied the data not going to notice? Do you have any sources other than CNN on what he is “trying to get away with”?
 
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What’s Joe Biden’s coherent and cohesive plan?...besides listen to the experts...like there’s some unanimity of opinion by experts.
The real experts, not the White Nationalist Party governors, have coalesced and tried to inform the public on basic strategies. Wear masks, wash your hands, stay home as much as possible, practice social distancing, don't go to bars, don't go to gatherings indoors, think of others, if you get sick or test positive, quarantine, etc. Pretty basic stuff. The problem has been a WNP president and his party who are getting foolish people and the people they are infecting killed.
 

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What exactly is he “trying to get away with?” How exactly is DT going to manipulate data without anyone knowing? Are the people who supplied the data not going to notice? Do you have any sources other than CNN on what he is “trying to get away with”?
If he controls all of the data, it's not hard to do. One hospital, clinic or state health dept. isn't going to know what other sources are reporting if info is released in the aggregate.

Trump's management style has been to sow chaos. If half of the reporting sources claim fair and half claim foul, it's chaos, which he can exploit.
 

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If he controls all of the data, it's not hard to do. One hospital, clinic or state health dept. isn't going to know what other sources are reporting if info is released in the aggregate.

Trump's management style has been to sow chaos. If half of the reporting sources claim fair and half claim foul, it's chaos, which he can exploit.
Honest question, what is stopping the hospitals from publishing the data themselves? I get that he would get it prior to it going to the CDC but I can't think of anything that would stop a hospital for publishing statistics.
 

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The real experts, not the White Nationalist Party governors, have coalesced and tried to inform the public on basic strategies. Wear masks, wash your hands, stay home as much as possible, practice social distancing, don't go to bars, don't go to gatherings indoors, think of others, if you get sick or test positive, quarantine, etc. Pretty basic stuff. The problem has been a WNP president and his party who are getting foolish people and the people they are infecting killed.
What does this have to do with your obsession with race? Any particular reason why you felt the need to try to make this about race too?
 

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If he controls all of the data, it's not hard to do. One hospital, clinic or state health dept. isn't going to know what other sources are reporting if info is released in the aggregate.
Yes. If they only release the data in the aggregate, data that was previously released with detail, then I too will be skeptical. I am doubtful that will happen as doctoring the data would require a number of people to be involved and stay quiet. It isn’t like DT himself is changing data in a closed room. If he is, then someone will speak up. Let it play out.
 

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What exactly is he “trying to get away with?” How exactly is DT going to manipulate data without anyone knowing? Is he going to do it personally or how many people does he have in on it that will stay quiet? Are the people who supplied the data not going to notice? Do you have any sources other than CNN on what he is “trying to get away with”?
What possible reason could there be for this, if not to gain control of data he doesnt like?

There are zero benign possibilities here. It's about controlling data, for purposes of winning an election.

And if it hurts people, delays solutions, confuses researchers...well small cost to pay to get a SCOTUS judge in a couple years, eh?
 

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The real experts, not the White Nationalist Party governors, have coalesced and tried to inform the public on basic strategies. Wear masks, wash your hands, stay home as much as possible, practice social distancing, don't go to bars, don't go to gatherings indoors, think of others, if you get sick or test positive, quarantine, etc. Pretty basic stuff. The problem has been a WNP president and his party who are getting foolish people and the people they are infecting killed.
Yet oddly, I‘ve been practicing all of those things. If you think this is a partisan following, you’re lying to yourself.
 

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What possible reason could there be for this, if not to gain control of data he doesnt like?

There are zero benign possibilities here. It's about controlling data, for purposes of winning an election.

And if it hurts people, delays solutions, confuses researchers...well small cost to pay to get a SCOTUS judge in a couple years, eh?
First, you all talk like this data is now being sent to Trump’s personal email. However, it isn’t. It is being sent to the Department of Health and Human Services. They must all be in on it. Not an honest one in that department, I guess.

As for other (benign) possible reasons? Well.... According to the DHHS, “the decision was made to streamline data reporting and to provide HHS officials with real-time data.” and that “HHS will provide "more powerful insights."

Time will tell if that is all true, but that comes from a CNBC article - and if you read past the BS headline and the quotes you will see why the data “disappeared” and how the DHHS is asking the CDC (who hasn’t responded) to put the data back. Let that one sit a bit.

However, buried in this article is this beauty, which may answer your question...
“Public health specialists and former health officials acknowledged that the CDC's data reporting infrastructure was limited, and said it needs to be overhauled to meet the demands of the Covid-19 pandemic.”

That sounds benign to me, but time will tell.

 

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If he controls all of the data, it's not hard to do. One hospital, clinic or state health dept. isn't going to know what other sources are reporting if info is released in the aggregate.

Trump's management style has been to sow chaos. If half of the reporting sources claim fair and half claim foul, it's chaos, which he can exploit.
I can’t keep up is trump an evil genius or a moron. If you believe he has enough time while he’s out golfing and pedaling chick peas to get his hands on Covid testing data in order to change it you have another thing coming. Like Spofin said it’s not like all the data is going to trumps personal gmail account.
 

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Yes. If they only release the data in the aggregate, data that was previously released with detail, then I too will be skeptical. I am doubtful that will happen as doctoring the data would require a number of people to be involved and stay quiet. It isn’t like DT himself is changing data in a closed room. If he is, then someone will speak up. Let it play out.
Well, nobody will say anything until its legally moot and they can cash in on a book deal about it.
 

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First, you all talk like this data is now being sent to Trump’s personal email. However, it isn’t. It is being sent to the Department of Health and Human Services. They must all be in on it. Not an honest one in that department, I guess.

As for other (benign) possible reasons? Well.... According to the DHHS, “the decision was made to streamline data reporting and to provide HHS officials with real-time data.” and that “HHS will provide "more powerful insights."

Time will tell if that is all true, but that comes from a CNBC article - and if you read past the BS headline and the quotes you will see why the data “disappeared” and how the DHHS is asking the CDC (who hasn’t responded) to put the data back. Let that one sit a bit.

However, buried in this article is this beauty, which may answer your question...
“Public health specialists and former health officials acknowledged that the CDC's data reporting infrastructure was limited, and said it needs to be overhauled to meet the demands of the Covid-19 pandemic.”

That sounds benign to me, but time will tell.

So the Trump admin doesnt like WHO because they won't parrot his BS...and as a result, we withdraw from WHO.

Trump doesnt like Fauci, because Fauci won't parrot his BS, and as a result, Fauci is never heard from again, and Trump's team hands out opposition research on Fauci.

Trump doesn't like the CDC, because they wont parrot his BS, so he changes who gets the data to an organization he controls...but this time it's NOT for propaganda reasons?

I'm pretty confident you're not stupid enough to believe that, so what are we left with?

You're a fraud.
 

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So the Trump admin doesnt like WHO because they won't parrot his BS...and as a result, we withdraw from WHO.

Trump doesnt like Fauci, because Fauci won't parrot his BS, and as a result, Fauci is never heard from again, and Trump's team hands out opposition research on Fauci.

Trump doesn't like the CDC, because they wont parrot his BS, so he changes who gets the data to an organization he controls...but this time it's NOT for propaganda reasons?

I'm pretty confident you're not stupid enough to believe that, so what are we left with?

You're a fraud.
Wow - that is what you got from my response. You said there was no benign reason and I gave you one form a liberal media source and even that isn't good enough for you. I said let it play out. You made up your mind the second you read CNN's article on what you should think. At some point you need to think for yourself USAF.

The WHO is a complete joke, BTW.
 

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The irony is almost too rich for words.
Is that so? Good Stuff. It is OK, USAF, don't feel too bad about it, you are just one of those people that likes to be told what to think. You continuously prove that you know the left talking points with the best of them - but that is all it is... talk. There is no critical thinking, reasoning, or logic in any of your responses. Trump this. Trump that. Fist shake. Snarl.

No chance what “Public health specialists and former health officials" said is accurate - Trump is going to get the data into his gmail account and change away. Likely rubbing his hands together and laughing when he does it. Me saying "time will tell" is apparently not being open minded enough to wait for actual data facts before concluding something. Assuming what is going to happen is apparently the logical, rational approach? Gotcha. You may need to look up the meaning of irony.
 

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Is that so? Good Stuff. It is OK, USAF, don't feel too bad about it, you are just one of those people that likes to be told what to think. You continuously prove that you know the left talking points with the best of them - but that is all it is... talk. There is no critical thinking, reasoning, or logic in any of your responses. Trump this. Trump that. Fist shake. Snarl.

No chance what “Public health specialists and former health officials" said is accurate - Trump is going to get the data into his gmail account and change away. Likely rubbing his hands together and laughing when he does it. Me saying "time will tell" is apparently not being open minded enough to wait for actual data facts before concluding something. Assuming what is going to happen is apparently the logical, rational approach? Gotcha. You may need to look up the meaning of irony.
FInd me any "public health specialists" who had a problem with WHO before Trump didn't like them.

I'll wait.
 

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FInd me any "public health specialists" who had a problem with WHO before Trump didn't like them.

I'll wait.
2nd time you have brought up the WHO even tho it has nothing to do with the topic/debate at hand.
I wonder why?????
 

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Yes. If they only release the data in the aggregate, data that was previously released with detail, then I too will be skeptical. I am doubtful that will happen as doctoring the data would require a number of people to be involved and stay quiet. It isn’t like DT himself is changing data in a closed room. If he is, then someone will speak up. Let it play out.
DT is totally incompetent, has received zero loyalty from anyone in his administration, and is also able to control and corrupt national COVID data. The narratives are so all over the place they constantly contradict each other.
 

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FInd me any "public health specialists" who had a problem with WHO before Trump didn't like them.

I'll wait.
Seriously? You think Trump created the distrust of multinational government entities? Seriously?

I'll clue you in, Trump won because he tapped into that group of people who already existed. There are, literally, thousands of articles of people bashing anything and everything UN/WHO/EU/etc. Many of them bashing the WHO contain grievances by people in the particular field.

This isn't new. I know all of the disagreements and problems in the world started, for some of you, when the orange guy took office, but that's not reality.
 

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Germany had 245 million less people in their country. I see lots of states and counties and cities passing mask ordinances, why do you need the federal government to mandate masks. If Walz is so worried about the virus why has he no implemented a mask mandate for the state. There is nothing to stop him from doing that.
Germany has 25% of the population of the US. On Wednesday IIRC, they had 16 cases and 4 deaths while we had 70,000 and 1,000. Fair to say they're doing substantially better than we are at this.

Specific mask issue aside, our federal response has been a complete cluster$%^*. Having 50 states just figure it out on their own (including bidding against other states AND the Feds for supplies) is how we got where we are.
 

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Germany has 25% of the population of the US. On Wednesday IIRC, they had 16 cases and 4 deaths while we had 70,000 and 1,000. Fair to say they're doing substantially better than we are at this.

Specific mask issue aside, our federal response has been a complete cluster$%^*. Having 50 states just figure it out on their own (including bidding against other states AND the Feds for supplies) is how we got where we are.
I agree the Federal response has been a disaster. I will say the problem with the United Sates is the freedom given to each state in the Constitution. Any power not assigned to the Federal Government is an inalienable right of the states. The states want it both ways, they want all the power to not be told what to do, but then also want someone to provide them with everything. Can you imagine if the Federal government stepped in and said anyone from these 14 states that is traveling to New York must quarantine for 14 days upon arrival. I can't believe the state of New York would appreciate that. At the end of the day we can not handle things like other countries as we are basically a collection of small countries using the same currency.
 

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I agree the Federal response has been a disaster. I will say the problem with the United Sates is the freedom given to each state in the Constitution. Any power not assigned to the Federal Government is an inalienable right of the states. The states want it both ways, they want all the power to not be told what to do, but then also want someone to provide them with everything. Can you imagine if the Federal government stepped in and said anyone from these 14 states that is traveling to New York must quarantine for 14 days upon arrival. I can't believe the state of New York would appreciate that. At the end of the day we can not handle things like other countries as we are basically a collection of small countries using the same currency.
We have ways of making universal things happen when we want to though. You want your COVID $ from the Feds? You must have a statewide mask requirement. I bet you'd go 50 for 50.
 

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I seem to recall Trump saying he was going to have "total authority" on this subject back in April. Funny how those that didn't much appreciate that idea back then are now blaming him for not doing that.

 

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I agree the Federal response has been a disaster. I will say the problem with the United Sates is the freedom given to each state in the Constitution. Any power not assigned to the Federal Government is an inalienable right of the states. The states want it both ways, they want all the power to not be told what to do, but then also want someone to provide them with everything. Can you imagine if the Federal government stepped in and said anyone from these 14 states that is traveling to New York must quarantine for 14 days upon arrival. I can't believe the state of New York would appreciate that. At the end of the day we can not handle things like other countries as we are basically a collection of small countries using the same currency.
That's one of the strengths of the United States.

I have not loved Trump's message and tone about the pandemic, but the failure (IMO) lies at the feet of the state governments.


Also, we are not a collection of small countries using the same currency
 

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That's one of the strengths of the United States.

I have not loved Trump's message and tone about the pandemic, but the failure (IMO) lies at the feet of the state governments.


Also, we are not a collection of small countries using the same currency
I agree the states freedom is what makes the US great. I keeps the power, or least tries to, from one dictator wielding power from DC. I want local people to solve problems with the Feds simply helping out. I don’t want a strong seemed federal government dictating sweeping general rules that may not be best for me.

The small countries was a very bad example. I guess I meant so many laws and regulations change between individual states it’s like traveling from Italy to Switzerland after the EU was formed so you could use the Euro.
 
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