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That said, did Obama have the authority to write an executive order legalizing illegal citizens without the consent of the US Congress? That isn’t for the general welfare of the country.
He didn't do that. Shame you feel the need to lie about it.
 

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For people who have been here for many years....yes....they shouldn't be deported all of the sudden. Especially when families are involved.

Trump went around Congress to start working on the wall. Signed an executive order to do so. That's not up for debate.

Obama exceeded authority more than any other president? Wrong. He signed fewer executive orders than any modern president. Trump is going WAY further to exceed authority.
Funny how the pro-lifers don't give that a second thought.
 

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Then what was he talking about 2 days ago? Are you going to excuse that? Do this mental exercise. Imagine instead of Don Trump at the podium, it was Barry Obama. C'mon, do it. Be honest with yourself - and us. Does that change how you view that drivel that spewed out of the jackhole's mouth? Be honest.
It was in the response to those asking the questions. You know, those dunces, whom every single question is trying to play gotcha.

Why don't you challenge yourself and post the questions he was responding, too!
 

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The MI Gov made a weird move if that's true. Hardware, home and garden stores rely on spring sales for a huge part of annual sales. A friend at a local hardware chain told me garden stuff is flying off the shelf right now including seeds etc. Paint is also selling especially well with all us shut ins doing inexpensive home projects.
Agreed. Whatever stores are open should be allowed to sell whatever they carry. Telling them to restrict items is just stupid.
 

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BTW - this is real - look it up.

The stimulus checks that are being mailed out - will be delayed - because the Treasury Department has ordered that the name "Donald J. Trump" be added to all the checks before they are sent out.

this means they have to redo the computer program that will be used to print the checks.

Again - stimulus checks to benefit American citizens are being delayed so that the name "Donald J. Trump" can be added to the checks.

And the kicker - by law, Trump cannot be the official issuer of the checks. the checks will be signed by an authorized treasury department official.

This is just bleeping pathetic.
The need for his ego to be stroked is truly pathetic. But maybe this will save him from nuking some small country if things get worse.
 

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He didn't do that. Shame you feel the need to lie about it.
What am I lying about? I had already amended this post by saying “indefinite legal status”.


DACA Is Unconstitutional, as Obama Admitted

President Donald Trump has caught a lot of heat for rescinding the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program with a six-month wind-down. Few people seem aware that he's ending an administrative amnesty for illegal aliens that President Barack Obama lacked the constitutional and legal authority to implement.

How do we know? Because even Obama admitted it – repeatedly.

Responding in October 2010 to demands that he implement immigration reforms unilaterally, Obama declared, "I am not king. I can't do these things just by myself." In March 2011, he said that with "respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that's just not the case." In May 2011, he acknowledged that he couldn't "just bypass Congress and change the (immigration) law myself. ... That's not how a democracy works."

Yet in 2012, he did it anyway. He put DACA in place to provide pseudo-legal status to illegal aliens brought to the U.S. as minors, including as teenagers. He promised them that they wouldn't be deported and provided them with work authorizations and access to Social Security and other government benefits.

And he did this despite the fact that the immigration laws passed by Congress do not give the president the ability to do this. Indeed, Congress specifically rejected bills to provide such benefits.


As Attorney General Jeff Sessions pointed out this week, DACA "contributed to a surge of unaccompanied minors on the southern border that yielded terrible humanitarian consequences." Since most DACA beneficiaries are now adults, "it also denied jobs to hundreds of thousands of Americans by allowing those same jobs to go to illegal aliens," Sessions said.

The unconstitutionality of Obama's actions were confirmed when Obama tried to implement a second, similar program in 2014 called the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents program, or DAPA. Like DACA, DAPA provided an administrative amnesty for illegal aliens who came to the U.S. as adults and gave them work authorizations and access to government benefits.

The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a nationwide injunction against DAPA, which the Supreme Court allowed to stand. As the Fifth Circuit said, the fact that the president declined to enforce the law and remove illegal aliens "does not transform presence deemed unlawful by Congress into lawful presence and confer eligibility for otherwise unavailable benefits based on that change."

Under our Constitution, Congress has plenary authority over immigration. The president only has the authority delegated to him by Congress – and Congress has never given the president the power to provide a pseudo-amnesty and government benefits to illegal aliens.

The DACA program suffers from exactly the same constitutional infirmities as DAPA. A number of states have threatened to sue the administration to stop the DACA program. In the face of that threat, Trump really had no choice. General Sessions' legal conclusion was that DACA "is vulnerable to the same legal and constitutional challenges that the courts recognized with respect to the DAPA program."

The place to have the debate about what to do about illegal aliens who were minors when they came to this country is in the halls of Congress, not the White House. Failure to correct this unilateral, unconstitutional overreach would set a dangerous precedent that weakens our constitutional balance of powers. As law professor Jonathan Turley said, "If a president can claim sweeping discretion to suspend key federal laws, the entire legislative process becomes little more than a pretense."

When it comes to immigration, Attorney General Sessions was correct when he said that the "compassionate thing is to end the lawlessness, enforce our laws, and, if Congress chooses to make changes to those laws, to do so through the process set forth by our Founders in a way that advances the interests of the nation." That is essential to preserving our constitutional republic.
 

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GT, it appears that you are getting under the skin of a few lefties here with logic and humor.

That’s a bad combo for them...and explains their responses.

Please keep posting. I come here for the laughs as much as the argument.
Another tinhat bromance.
 

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It was childish. Then...he calms down, and says and does the right thing.
So do most 3 year olds. Except "he does the right thing" only some of the time. Totally normal. 4 more years! 4 more years!
 

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Just for schits and giggles, let's say Hillary or any Dem had been elected instead. What wouldn’t they have done that Tramp did? Have at it!
There wouldn't be a "Hillary Drug" that she became a salesperson for from the podium for one.
 

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The "truth" is that it lies somewhere in between.

The "problem" is the population believes it can only be one or the other.
The truth is that Trump is completely impulsive. He said he wanted it open by Easter because he thought it sounded good the day he said it, and no functional adult in the room could tell him otherwise. It wasn't some "master stroke" to trick Dems. I know it helps you to believe otherwise.
 

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The whole point of mitigation is to slow down the spread and shorten the peak. If there are less people spreading the virus, it will spread more slowly b/c it will have less origins, especially for the asymptomatic.
Closing the barn door after half the cow are out is still good. But not if you then go home and do nothing about the ones that got out for 6 weeks except deny they exist.
 

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The truth is that Trump is completely impulsive. He said he wanted it open by Easter because he thought it sounded good the day he said it, and no functional adult in the room could tell him otherwise. It wasn't some "master stroke" to trick Dems. I know it helps you to believe otherwise.
No. You have me confused with a different poster. I agree with you that he is completely impulsive in his words but not always in his actions. We didn't open anything by Easter last I checked. But yet so many people came unhinged at the suggestion/inference/desire/whatever you want to call it. I don't think everything he says is some sort of grand conspiracy or "master stroke" against the Dems.
 

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Closing the barn door after half the cow are out is still good. But not if you then go home and do nothing about the ones that got out for 6 weeks except deny they exist.
NO ONE knew that the virus existed in the community to a significant extent. Not Trump. Not Nancy. Not Chuck. Not the governors. And when they were learning that it did, it was not well known where, like NYC b/c it primarily came from Europe.

It‘s not true that they did nothing. He formed the task force. The task force began working on a number of fronts, including informing the governors in preparation for a virus outbreak:


Representatives of Coronavirus Task Force Brief Governors at NGA
On Sunday, February 9, representatives of President Trump's Coronavirus Task Force provided an update at the National Governors Association (NGA) Winter Meeting about the U.S. response to the coronavirus outbreak.

The session was hosted by NGA Chair Governor Larry Hogan and was attended by a bipartisan group of more than 25 U.S. governors. During the positive, productive and active discussion, the governors asked questions and expressed their appreciation for the active collaboration and partnership with federal partners. Topics included the importance of close collaboration between federal, state, and local government agencies; the ongoing work to protect and inform the American public; the decisive, proactive steps the Coronavirus Task Force has taken to date to slow the spread of the virus; the coordination with states on temporary travel restrictions, funneling of passengers, and screening activities currently in place; and the ongoing work on diagnostics, therapies, and vaccines.

The panel reiterated that while this is a serious public health matter, the risk to the American public remains low at this time, and that the federal government will continue working in close coordination with state and local governments to keep it that way.


Obviously, once community spread was detected and it became more obvious that the spread was an inevitability, new members of the Task Force were named and its status was elevated quickly. The CDC floundered on the testing, and that slowed the efforts to curb the spread. That’s already been admitted and thoroughly discussed.
 

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Because I do not have Trump Derangement Syndrome and never, over eight years, had Obama Derangement Syndrome, I can not relate at all to your need to obcess over every word either man says or said. I'm a policy person who cares about what our leaders do, not what they say. Therefore, I just can not get so excited about every word any of our leaders say. That is your game and your obcession, not mine. Come November I will have to chose between two imperfect people. I will judge them by what they have done. Overall conservative vs. overall socialist.
You could have simply said you are a means to an ends guy. That's fine. And hey, you maybe are being honest here. For me, I care what the leaders say. If they are jackasses, it matters. Normalizing jackassery because that jackass forwards your agenda calls into question some things, though, that's for sure.
 

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No. You have me confused with a different poster. I agree with you that he is completely impulsive in his words but not always in his actions. We didn't open anything by Easter last I checked. But yet so many people came unhinged at the suggestion/inference/desire/whatever you want to call it. I don't think everything he says is some sort of grand conspiracy or "master stroke" against the Dems.
It's quite obviously not. What makes you think behind closed doors he is any smarter? The fact is, he's a proven liar and impulsive, dangerous idiot. I don't want that in a leader. Give me someone I disagree with that at least has a fully functioning brain.
 

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You could have simply said you are a means to an ends guy. That's fine. And hey, you maybe are being honest here. For me, I care what the leaders say. If they are jackasses, it matters. Normalizing jackassery because that jackass forwards your agenda calls into question some things, though, that's for sure.
So on election day it will be different for you. You will vote for the guy who passes policies you don't like because you like what he says? Not me, I have too much experience in life with smooth talkers who do not mean what they say. I'm going to vote for the guy who passes what I believe in.
 

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So on election day it will be different for you. You will vote for the guy who passes policies you don't like because you like what he says? Not me, I have too much experience in life with smooth talkers who do not mean what they say. I'm going to vote for the guy who passes what I believe in.
You kicked that straw man's ass!!!

To rephrase what I said, I can respect an opposing point-of-view and policies I don't agree with, as long as the person making those decisions isn't an idiot, there is thought behind the ideas and I don't feel like the country isn't in the hands of a narcissistic, egotistical, thin-skinned idiot who is also a detestable person to boot.

You are willing to overlook that. Means-to-an-end. Other guys have different criteria. Like BGA - Don Trump could be the anti-Christ, but as long as there is an R in front of the name, BGA will love him. CRG and S2 loves anyone that owns libs.

I thought W was pretty dumb and a puppet of sorts. But he wasn't a detestable human being and I have no doubt he loves the country more than himself.
 

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You kicked that straw man's ass!!!

To rephrase what I said, I can respect an opposing point-of-view and policies I don't agree with, as long as the person making those decisions isn't an idiot, there is thought behind the ideas and I don't feel like the country isn't in the hands of a narcissistic, egotistical, thin-skinned idiot who is also a detestable person to boot.

You are willing to overlook that. Means-to-an-end. Other guys have different criteria. Like BGA - Don Trump could be the anti-Christ, but as long as there is an R in front of the name, BGA will love him. CRG and S2 loves anyone that owns libs.

I thought W was pretty dumb and a puppet of sorts. But he wasn't a detestable human being and I have no doubt he loves the country more than himself.
But you voted for Hillary and you voted for Bill, go figure.
 

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So on election day it will be different for you. You will vote for the guy who passes policies you don't like because you like what he says? Not me, I have too much experience in life with smooth talkers who do not mean what they say. I'm going to vote for the guy who passes what I believe in.
Gas.
 

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The truth is that Trump is completely impulsive. He said he wanted it open by Easter because he thought it sounded good the day he said it, and no functional adult in the room could tell him otherwise. It wasn't some "master stroke" to trick Dems. I know it helps you to believe otherwise.
Not very bright, are you. You dance to Trump's music, every time.

 

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The truth is that Trump is completely impulsive. He said he wanted it open by Easter because he thought it sounded good the day he said it, and no functional adult in the room could tell him otherwise. It wasn't some "master stroke" to trick Dems. I know it helps you to believe otherwise.
Of course that's correct.

I guarantee he made the Easter thing up on the spot, or maybe in that day's meeting he said "I think I'm gonna say open it up by Easter, that sound good?" to which his advisors were like "uhhh ... well, uhh ... according to modells ... uh, we ... " and then Trump cuts them off "yeah ok, sound good to me too!".


That's a big part of the reason why he gets picked on so much by the media: he makes stuff up on the spot and ad-libs all these stupid little side comments. They're always meaningless, unplanned, and have to be walked back.

Anyone can see that.
 

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Time to vote with your feet and move to SD. No taxes. No shutdown. So much freedom you can smell it! Just don't breathe too deeply.
Have fun in your basement for the next 6 months Howie. And don’t forget to come up for air once a day.
 

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The truth is that Trump is completely impulsive. He said he wanted it open by Easter because he thought it sounded good the day he said it, and no functional adult in the room could tell him otherwise. It wasn't some "master stroke" to trick Dems. I know it helps you to believe otherwise.
Why does it bother you so much that he was trying to be optimistic and say businesses would reopen by Easter? Is this the howeda7cnnbot spamming the board repeating the same thing 20 times per day looking for a reaction. You sure got Trump this time - he was wrong about the timing! Now he’s doomed....haha haha!
 

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This here is what Authority looks like:


Donald Trump January 20: I know more about viruses than anyone.”
January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”
February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”
February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”
February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”
February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”
March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”
March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”
March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”
March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”
March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”
March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”
March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

And this timeline as well.
Jan 19th - Trump golfs
Jan 20th - first case of corona virus in the US, Washington State.
Jan 22nd - “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”
Jan 28th - Trump campaign rally
Jan 30th - Trump campaign rally
Feb 1st - Trump golfs
Feb 2nd - “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."
Feb 5th - Senate votes to acquit. Then Trump takes a five-day weekend.
Feb 10th - Trump campaign rally
Feb 12th - Dow Jones closes at an all time high of 29,551.42
Feb 15h - Trump golfs
Feb 19th - Trump campaign rally
Feb 20th - Trump campaign rally
Feb 21st - Trump campaign rally
A second memo that Navarro wrote, dated Feb. 23 warned of a loss of life of as many as 1.2 million souls.
Feb 24th - “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
Feb 25h - “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”
Feb 25h - “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”
Feb 26th - “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
Feb 26th - “We're going very substantially down, not up.” Also "This is a flu. This is like a flu"; "Now, you treat this like a flu"; "It's a little like the regular flu that we have flu shots for. And we'll essentially have a flu shot for this in a fairly quick manner."
February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
 
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