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If done right, the cleaning should be extensive regardless. My retired mother-in-law cleans at a resort for a part-time job. You could eat off her cleaned toilet. ;)
Ha!

I'm not a resort guy myself. It's either drive to a local lake for a day near my house or cabin, or fish on the lake at my cabin. Either way, I'm sleeping at the cabin or in my house.
 

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If done right, the cleaning should be extensive regardless. My retired mother-in-law cleans at a resort for a part-time job. You could eat off her cleaned toilet. ;)
Your wife allows her mother to clean toilets!?! Jesus, what kind of woman did you marry?
 

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It's amazing how Trump can play the left, and everytime they agree to play along. Truthseeker and others take the bait and do whatever Trump wants. He just has to say something, and the dems fly into action to state the reverse. He can get them to say whatever he wants. Some simple examples of Trump's recent todo list:

(1) January - COVID could be a real problem, let's get the Dem leaders on record saying it won't be. Done, Pelosi, Schumer others respond to Trump's actions on warning about COVID by going on record that COVID is not going to be an issue - hug a Chinese person day, hang out in China Town, don't worry about it.

(2) February - People are going to blame China for this, let's get the Dem leaders to go on record saying we should trust China, that they're our friends. Done, Trump calls it the China virus. Pelosi, Schumer and others jump up to defend China as being our friend. You're racist if you think China had anything to do with this!!!

(3) March - We need to set some incredibly high death tool numbers so when the real number comes in it looks like we've done a great job. Done, Trump says it'll be managed. Pelosi, Schumer et. al. ramp into gear quoting as high of numbers as they can, saying 2.2 million people are going to die.

(4) April - We need to open up the economy again, but when we do some people are going to catch COVID and die. Let's get the dem Gov's to assert that they're the ones ultimately responsible for reopening their states so they take the blame for the deaths. Done. Pelosi, Schumer and the gov's claim they are the ones who will be responsible.

That's just four of the legions of examples. Others include hospitals are going to be overrun, Trump can't get the Navy to provide a hospital in NY, we're going to run out of ventilators, there won't be enough masks, hydroxychloroquine banned from being prescribed in states, and so much more. Trump has gotten Dems to say exactly what he wants them to say when he wants them to say it, each time making the dems take positions that are ridiculous. For more examples, just look at the threads Truthseeker has started. Not just on COVID, but everything. Over and over again, Truthseeker takes the bait everytime. It's a repeated sequence. (1) Trumpster makes the Dems dance by quoting someone who thought something, (2) CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS and Washington Post jump onto the tune and blow up by taking the opposite stand and amplifying it 10 times, (3) and the minions of Blue team followers echo it through the land. The fiddler has them dancing to his tune, has done so ever since he rode down the escalator, and they still don't realize it. It's amazing to watch it play out, over and over again. Obama is a brilliant politician, his "apology tour" was absolutely a legendary play and win on his part. The red team still doesn't realize that's how he won the second term election. The Trumpster with his "Rockford" approach (not many of you will get that) is even better.
I'll give you another one, and there are legions of examples. Trump needs evangelicals to get behind his re-election. Yes, evangelicals are going to overwhelmingly support Pro-Life Trump versus Pro-Choice Biden, but Trump needs to ensure that the evangelicals will get out to vote for him, and make doing so a priority. His standing with evangelicals isn't all that great, so he needed to ramp that up. Same process as always, have Pelosi/Schumer/MSM/and their minions do the work for him. Trump says, I'd like to see churches reopened in time for Easter. The left immediately launches into gear, saying the gov't needs to shut down churches. This get's amplified to the point that governors are saying Christians are responsible for the spread of COVID, that if they hold services the church members will be arrested, and the church will be permanently closed. Here on Goperhole Truthseeker made at least two, maybe three separate threads on this topic, and the blue team all jumped in doing their best to help Trump get his message out and be re-elected. Bottomline: mission accomplished, the message sent is Democrats will use the government to shut down churches and ban you from meeting. This message was spread throughout the country, by the left and then echoed especially during Easter services (BTW, with all the livestreams church attendance is way up from a year ago). Trump was never planning to reopen the country in time for Easter services, he just wanted to get the Blues on record that they will use the gov't to shut down churches and they will arrest people for attending a church. Another win for Trump, using the same playbook, over and over and over again. Every time the left takes the bait.
 

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Trump was never planning to reopen the country in time for Easter services, he just wanted to get the Blues on record that they will use the gov't to shut down churches and they will arrest people for attending a church.
Same fabric as last time: roughspun, scratchy, low quality material, low quality work.

You'd have to pay me to take this crap off your hands.


The only people who will line up for this trash, are the same people who are lining up to buy maga hats, ie the same people lining up for Trump rallies.


Will those people, alone, be enough to reelect him? I have my doubts, but we will see.
 

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Same fabric as last time: roughspun, scratchy, low quality material, low quality work.

You'd have to pay me to take this crap off your hands.


The only people who will line up for this trash, are the same people who are lining up to buy maga hats, ie the same people lining up for Trump rallies.


Will those people, alone, be enough to reelect him? I have my doubts, but we will see.
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
― Socrates

Once again, you lose.
 

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“When the debate is lost
Where was the debate? You just threw out a bunch of fabrications, and pretended they were some kind of "truth".

That's not a debate. There have to be agreed upon, foundational facts to have a debate.
 

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This is just the exact same intellectual grift that QAnon always performs:

pretending/lying that every single action Trump has made, from his breakfast burrito, to the dump he takes after, is some pre-planned masterstroke.

The truth is, of course, the exact opposite.
 

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This is just the exact same intellectual grift that QAnon always performs:

pretending/lying that every single action Trump has made, from his breakfast burrito, to the dump he takes after, is some pre-planned masterstroke.

The truth is, of course, the exact opposite.
The "truth" is that it lies somewhere in between.

The "problem" is the population believes it can only be one or the other.
 

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The "truth" is that it lies somewhere in between.

The "problem" is the population believes it can only be one or the other.
Sure.

So that technically means it could be the truth that, what I said is correct for 99.999% of things Trump does and closer to what Living claims for the other 0.001%.
 

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Just for schits and giggles, let's say Hillary or any Dem had been elected instead. What wouldn’t they have done that Tramp did? Have at it!
Close the border to China travel in January, then to the EU in early March.
 

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Then what was he talking about 2 days ago? Are you going to excuse that? Do this mental exercise. Imagine instead of Don Trump at the podium, it was Barry Obama. C'mon, do it. Be honest with yourself - and us. Does that change how you view that drivel that spewed out of the jackhole's mouth? Be honest.
Because I do not have Trump Derangement Syndrome and never, over eight years, had Obama Derangement Syndrome, I can not relate at all to your need to obcess over every word either man says or said. I'm a policy person who cares about what our leaders do, not what they say. Therefore, I just can not get so excited about every word any of our leaders say. That is your game and your obcession, not mine. Come November I will have to chose between two imperfect people. I will judge them by what they have done. Overall conservative vs. overall socialist.
 

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Do Governors have the power to collude with other Governors about when/how they'll reopen their states?

“No state shall, without the consent of Congress, … enter into any agreement or compact with another state”..
Collusion! Who's the victim of this collusion? Don? You?
 

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Just for schits and giggles, let's say Hillary or any Dem had been elected instead. What wouldn’t they have done that Tramp did? Have at it!
Shut out China early.

Given 1200 back to the people

Looked or a way to get the economy back as soon as possible!
 

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As far as what a Dem President might have done, no one can answer that. It's like asking what might have happened in '09 if Favre does not throw that interception against the Saints.

I would like to think or hope that a different President would not have "reorganized" the pandemic response team in the NSC. That a different President would have paid more attention to security briefings on the Wuhan outbreak and begun formulating a response sooner.

I would like to think that a different President would have had better coordination with the states on the issues of PPE procurement and distribution, so that states were not fighting each other for supplies.
But, that is all speculation. Hindsight is always 20-20. a different President might have made the same perceived mistakes, or made different mistakes. There is just no way to know. Like speculating how many games Claeys would have won if he had not been fired.....
 

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And why do you keep saying "total authority" like a complete idiot. Trump pulled that out of his a$$ and now you're throwing it around like it's some legal term. LOL!!!
He reminds me of the kid from South Park. In more ways than one.
 

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The whole point of mitigation is to slow down the spread and shorten the peak. If there are less people spreading the virus, it will spread more slowly b/c it will have less origins, especially for the asymptomatic.
Nope. Only takes the first infected person to come here, then you get the same explosion in cases.
 

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I sent Walz a message yesterday. It basically said that there is no real leadership required to keep the shut down in place indefinitely. Real leadership would be coming up with a plan to re-open some businesses while minimizing the impact to the most vulnerable. I haven't seen any real leadership from the state of Minnesota on this.
Time to vote with your feet and move to SD. No taxes. No shutdown. So much freedom you can smell it! Just don't breathe too deeply.
 
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