The Senate Filibuster

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No country -- by definition, supposedly a unified group of people -- was ever designed to work with the population being so close to evenly split and diametrically opposed, on so much.

By design, perhaps. Distract, deflect, preoccupy with wedge fixations, mostly amplified, exaggerated beyond any semblance of reality.
 

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Democrats used the filibuster 327 times against legislation last year. The GOP did once.

Those Dems are against “all progress”. Not to mention racist for using it.

Racist for using it? Why? So that they can put forth legislation to stop the republicans from passing their state anti-minority voting bills.

Yeah....there is plenty of racist stuff going on. All of it coming from the old white man party of voter suppression. lol.
 

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Precints burned, police cars burned. City officials harassed at home and forced to resign. A new country within our country. 2 billion dollars of property damage. Police treated like dirt. Not the first summer this has occurred.

Versus a few hours capitol storming where congress, senate were back in business that night.

You be the judge.

Maybe you missed the repubs/proud boys gathering outside officials houses on the sixth. And police treated like dirt? How many were killed? The right wing traitors killed one and injured at least one or two more.

Just the new normal for the party of our way or the whineway.
 

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Generally, less is more with ill-considered, hasty, or partisan government interventions. Compromise is our friend.

Changing the rules of the game because you’re losing (Supreme Court, senate procedure rules, voting laws) is the stuff of pre-adolescent tantrums. Yes, I understand both sides are tempted to do it.
Sounds great, like something I can totally agree with, in normal circumstances! So then I must ask you:

Compromise is our friend.
1. So how do you feel about the Republican Party's refusal to compromise, reflecting those thoughts on the McConnell era under Obama and Biden, and going back to the era of Newt Gingrich?

Changing the rules of the game because you’re losing (Supreme Court, senate procedure rules, voting laws) is the stuff of pre-adolescent tantrums.
2. How do you feel about McConnell's changing the rules of the game with respect to Merrick Garland's nomination? How do you feel about McConnell's re-changing of those same rules with respect to the death of RGB? How do you feel about McConnell using the filibuster to hold up not only legislation coming from the House, but federal court nominations from the President in the Obama era? How do you feel about McConnell refusing to bring to the Senate floor legislation passed by the House?
 

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Maybe you missed the repubs/proud boys gathering outside officials houses on the sixth. And police treated like dirt? How many were killed? The right wing traitors killed one and injured at least one or two more.

Just the new normal for the party of our way or the whineway.
Well, and he also missed the fact that a fair portion of the damage initiated in the Floyd protests/riots came from radical RWers provoking chaos.
 

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Law enforcement racism was covered extremely well.
That must have really bothered you. How dare George Floyd stick his neck under poor Derek Chauvin's knee and force him to pull all of his weight directly down on him (look ma, no hands!) for nine whole minutes! How dare all of those unarmed black folks force cops to shoot them!

How many pairs of black, blue and white flag socks do you own, triple bogey?
 

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100% the left didnt condemn looting/burning and in some cases defended it. See post 72. Dont know how the right would check out. The contract with americans is that we have a fair system. If the right feels this contract is irrevocably broken they may feel there is no point to honor the contract.

To be honest, i think if left uses filibuster cutouts to cram down things like climate change, health care that not much will happen. Going after guns would be a mistake. Left would be wise i would think to not do too much with filibuster but just keep using media, education, hollywood, music as surrogates to promote their wishes. This method will take longer but avoids a backlash that may lead to civil unrest.
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Racist for using it? Why? So that they can put forth legislation to stop the republicans from passing their state anti-minority voting bills.

Yeah....there is plenty of racist stuff going on. All of it coming from the old white man party of voter suppression. lol.
KGF loves the old Nazi tactic when defending the QOP: Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty.
 

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Sounds great, like something I can totally agree with, in normal circumstances! So then I must ask you:

Compromise is our friend.
1. So how do you feel about the Republican Party's refusal to compromise, reflecting those thoughts on the McConnell era under Obama and Biden, and going back to the era of Newt Gingrich?

Changing the rules of the game because you’re losing (Supreme Court, senate procedure rules, voting laws) is the stuff of pre-adolescent tantrums.
2. How do you feel about McConnell's changing the rules of the game with respect to Merrick Garland's nomination? How do you feel about McConnell's re-changing of those same rules with respect to the death of RGB? How do you feel about McConnell using the filibuster to hold up not only legislation coming from the House, but federal court nominations from the President in the Obama era? How do you feel about McConnell refusing to bring to the Senate floor legislation passed by the House?
You seem to be implying that Angry PE is not arguing in good faith. How dare you!
 

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Precints burned, police cars burned. City officials harassed at home and forced to resign. A new country within our country. 2 billion dollars of property damage. Police treated like dirt. Not the first summer this has occurred.

Versus a few hours capitol storming where congress, senate were back in business that night.

You be the judge.
Protests have happened thousands of times throughout our history. Most have been peaceful. Some have not. Anyone who is not peaceful should be arrested and charged appropriately.

Never before has our Capitol been breached by an angry mob of armed cultists seeking to kidnap/kill members of Congress to prevent the peaceful transfer of power of our government.

The fact that you not only view these two things as just two sides of the same coin, but think the insurrection is the lesser evil is appalling.
 

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Protests have happened thousands of times throughout our history. Most have been peaceful. Some have not. Anyone who is not peaceful should be arrested and charged appropriately.

Never before has our Capitol been breached by an angry mob of armed cultists seeking to kidnap/kill members of Congress to prevent the peaceful transfer of power of our government.

The fact that you not only view these two things as just two sides of the same coin, but think the insurrection is the lesser evil is appalling.

Yeah, thankfully we still have barbed wire and the natl guard around the capitol as the right is poised to attack.

Meanwhile the floyd jury delivers the "wrong" verdict or a questionable cop shooting and cities will burn again. Have seen it too many times.
 

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That must have really bothered you. How dare George Floyd stick his neck under poor Derek Chauvin's knee and force him to pull all of his weight directly down on him (look ma, no hands!) for nine whole minutes! How dare all of those unarmed black folks force cops to shoot them!

How many pairs of black, blue and white flag socks do you own, triple bogey?

See post 88. Take a look at how many unborn babies are killed yearly. Right doesnt burn cities. Left could take a lesson.
 

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Yeah, thankfully we still have barbed wire and the natl guard around the capitol as the right is poised to attack.

Meanwhile the floyd jury delivers the "wrong" verdict or a questionable cop shooting and cities will burn again. Have seen it too many times.

Thankfully the feds are arresting your traitorous righty buddies so that the rest of the donalds know better.
 

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Thankfully the feds are arresting your traitorous righty buddies so that the rest of the donalds know better.

Agree. Just imagine if we tried to arrest all the looters/burners from this summer. Where would we ever put them all? Maybe could just spend 83 million to put them up in hotels, seems like that is the Migrant President's go to move.
 

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Racist for using it? Why? So that they can put forth legislation to stop the republicans from passing their state anti-minority voting bills.

Yeah....there is plenty of racist stuff going on. All of it coming from the old white man party of voter suppression. lol.
Racist b/c Joe Biden says use of the filibuster is racist. “It’s a relic of Jim Crow”...apparently unless it’s a Democrat using it.

If you have a problem with that sentiment, take it up with him. I don’t think it has anything to do with racism.
 

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Racist b/c Joe Biden says use of the filibuster is racist. “It’s a relic of Jim Crow”...apparently unless it’s a Democrat using it.

If you have a problem with that sentiment, take it up with him. I don’t think it has anything to do with racism.

It's a relic of that era. If they have to get rid of it in order to keep the repubs from passing their horribly racist voting restrictions....then so be it. You and the clansmen can continue to complain all you like.
 

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Agree. Just imagine if we tried to arrest all the looters/burners from this summer. Where would we ever put them all? Maybe could just spend 83 million to put them up in hotels, seems like that is the Migrant President's go to move.

Looters and rioters all belong in jail. It's fine that you don't think that insurrectionists doing the same belong in jail. Seems like the right wing has lots their marbles and think that's okay. Very sad.
 

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Everything is racism now to the left.

Removing polling places from overwhelmingly minority areas wasn't enough for spoof and the rest of the donalds. Got to continue to make voting as white as possible.

That's gotta be freedom....right?
 

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Re: the filibuster.

the cynical side of my brain tells me that McConnell is playing a waiting game. Trying to stall things out until the 2022 midterm elections because the Republicans believe they have a good chance to take control of the Senate and possibly the House as well. (based on the concept that the party holding the White House typically loses seats in midterm elections).
 

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Re: the filibuster.

the cynical side of my brain tells me that McConnell is playing a waiting game. Trying to stall things out until the 2022 midterm elections because the Republicans believe they have a good chance to take control of the Senate and possibly the House as well. (based on the concept that the party holding the White House typically loses seats in midterm elections).
This is true no matter what, anyway. Midterms are always hard on the party of the current WH occupant.

IE, American voters are mostly dumbasses who never get what they think they want or think they were promised.
 

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Looks like Dems are going to get to pass big time legislation without needing to end the fillibuster:

With a ruling on Monday that Democrats can reuse this year’s budget blueprint at least once to employ the fast-track reconciliation process, Democrats can now conceivably advance multiple spending and tax packages this year alone without a single Republican vote as long as they hold their 50 members together. It is a means of weakening the filibuster without having to take the politically charged vote to do so.

Democrats insist that they have made no decisions about how to use the tool.

“It is always good to have a series of insurance policies,” Senator Chris Van Hollen, Democrat of Maryland, said about the possibility that Democrats could repeatedly duplicate last month’s party-line passage of the $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief legislation should they not be able to work out deals with Republicans.

But whatever strategy they employ, it is clear that the decision by the Senate parliamentarian to agree with Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York and the majority leader, that a musty 47-year-old budget provision could be used more than once in a fiscal year widens President Biden’s path to enacting his emerging infrastructure plan by shielding it from a filibuster if need be.
 
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