The new Corona virus, should we worry?

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There are about 41 million white evangelical adults in the U.S. About 45 percent said in late February that they would not get vaccinated against Covid-19, making them among the least likely demographic groups to do so, according to the Pew Research Center.

“If we can’t get a significant number of white evangelicals to come around on this, the pandemic is going to last much longer than it needs to,” said Jamie Aten, founder and executive director of the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, an evangelical institution in Illinois.

At this critical moment, even pastors struggle to know how to reach their flocks. Joel Rainey, who leads Covenant Church in Shepherdstown, W.Va., said several colleagues were forced out of their churches after promoting health and vaccination guidelines.

Politics has increasingly been shaping faith among white evangelicals, rather than the other way around, he said. Pastors’ influence on their churches is decreasing. “They get their people for one hour, and Sean Hannity gets them for the next 20,” he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/05/us/covid-vaccine-evangelicals.html?referringSource=articleShare
 
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I’ve only been able to find anecdotal data on B117 preferentially affecting children - individual schools, teams, etc. I cannot seem to find any published data on B117 attack rates, hospitalization rates to support the anecdotes in the news and on social media, Osterholm’s outlook. CIDRAP has stated the data are mixed with conflicting studies, statistical problems, yet Osterholm says he has solid data. I’m perplexed as Osterholm is AFAIK head of CIDRAP.
 

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There are about 41 million white evangelical adults in the U.S. About 45 percent said in late February that they would not get vaccinated against Covid-19, making them among the least likely demographic groups to do so, according to the Pew Research Center.

“If we can’t get a significant number of white evangelicals to come around on this, the pandemic is going to last much longer than it needs to,” said Jamie Aten, founder and executive director of the Humanitarian Disaster Institute at Wheaton College, an evangelical institution in Illinois.

At this critical moment, even pastors struggle to know how to reach their flocks. Joel Rainey, who leads Covenant Church in Shepherdstown, W.Va., said several colleagues were forced out of their churches after promoting health and vaccination guidelines.

Politics has increasingly been shaping faith among white evangelicals, rather than the other way around, he said. Pastors’ influence on their churches is decreasing. “They get their people for one hour, and Sean Hannity gets them for the next 20,” he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/05/us/covid-vaccine-evangelicals.html?referringSource=articleShare
Nope. Don't care a single iota if every single one of these people gets covid. Vaccine was there for them, still is, and will be going forward.

I won't lose a wink of sleep not wearing a mask around such folks.

Wonder if they'll still be singing this tune when loved ones and dear friends are in the hospital. They should get minimal insurance coverage, frankly.
 

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WW2 not a natural disaster. I wouldn’t lump that one in. Much more harm than good.
I think all the examples stated so far did more harm than good. I’m just saying many times our biggest advances occur when we’re forced to. It’s just interesting to think about.
 

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“This all needs to end now so we can get back to our lives!!!!”

“There’s currently a very effective and safe vaccine that will allow just that.”

“No way, I’m not getting the vaccine!!!!”

"If you've had the vaccine you still must wear a mask, social distance, travel, and avoid indoor gatherings"
 

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from the State Dept of Health: Today's post will include data analyzed and reported out for Sunday, April 4 and Monday, April 5. For that reason newly reported case and death numbers may appear greater than normal.

And objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are........Meat Loaf.

MN Covid-19 Update - Tuesday, April 6

Includes data from Sunday and Monday. Data reported by 4pm Monday.

Positive cases 499,203 +2,673. Including probable cases 530,662.

Positive test rate 9.7%.

Health-Care workers with positive cases 39,553 +82.

Cases no longer needing isolation 508,094 +3,382.

Active cases 15,679 -374.

Deaths 6,509 +3. Including probable deaths 6,889.

Deaths at long-term care and assisted living 4,058 - no change. Including probable cases 4,294.

Patients currently Hospitalized 497+49. Cumulative 27,781 +212.

Patients currently In ICU 114 +4. Cumulative 5,693 +34.

Total PCR tests processed 7,841,415 +27,417. Including antigen testing 8,405,105.

 

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Accompanied by “ideation” or “contemplation”
A) The post I quoted is still up. Not sure why you're confused on this:


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B) You like to refer to ideation stats, but the articles I've seen do not attribute that specifically to lockdowns, but rather than pandemic. I'd be interested in seeing anything to the contrary. You've never actually cited an article, so it makes it hard to know what you're really saying.
 

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A) The post I quoted is still up. Not sure why you're confused on this:


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B) You like to refer to ideation stats, but the articles I've seen do not attribute that specifically to lockdowns, but rather than pandemic. I'd be interested in seeing anything to the contrary. You've never actually cited an article, so it makes it hard to know what you're really saying.
There have absolutely been many cases of suicide due to the pandemic response. Do you actually deny that? I didn’t answer any change, only an impact.

The pandemic is mainly impacting the elderly in terms of death. Young people at virtually no risk. You think it’s the virus causing suicide ideation in young people and not: closing school, widespread fear campaign, mask wearing, closing of social activities, cancelling sports, canceling extra curricular activities, closing theaters and entertainment? Just sit at home all day and play video games and be on your phone. Goodness. I would look for a study, but I assumed a base level of common sense.
 

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I think all the examples stated so far did more harm than good. I’m just saying many times our biggest advances occur when we’re forced to. It’s just interesting to think about.
Personally, I think we would have advanced much more without WW2 and WW1. I would say we advanced in spite of WW2. It’s very dangerous to attribute advances to war because it can be used as justification. You commonly hear that WW2 caused the end of the Great Depression for example and that is not true.
 

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Oh oh, the Double Mutant Variant is here!!! Hold on to your hats, err masks!

The #VirusPorn will never end now that the Loons have control.
 

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There have absolutely been many cases of suicide due to the pandemic response. Do you actually deny that? I didn’t answer any change, only an impact.

The pandemic is mainly impacting the elderly in terms of death. Young people at virtually no risk. You think it’s the virus causing suicide ideation in young people and not: closing school, widespread fear campaign, mask wearing, closing of social activities, cancelling sports, canceling extra curricular activities, closing theaters and entertainment? Just sit at home all day and play video games and be on your phone. Goodness. I would look for a study, but I assumed a base level of common sense.
I'm glad to see you've finally abandoned the idea that I was responding to a strawman. Kudos.

Well, suicide itself is down overall, so the problem can't be as bad as you're making it out to be.

You were arguing that governmental lockdowns are bad. Now you're arguing that basically all pandemic response is bad, regardless of its origin.

Conservatives also like to compare COVID to the flu, but then that got thrown out the window when COVID deaths were significant, and influenza illness and death dropped to historic lows as a result of public health measures.

Any citation for the increase in suicide ideation?
 

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I'm glad to see you've finally abandoned the idea that I was responding to a strawman. Kudos.

Well, suicide itself is down overall, so the problem can't be as bad as you're making it out to be.

You were arguing that governmental lockdowns are bad. Now you're arguing that basically all pandemic response is bad, regardless of its origin.

Conservatives also like to compare COVID to the flu, but then that got thrown out the window when COVID deaths were significant, and influenza illness and death dropped to historic lows as a result of public health measures.

Any citation for the increase in suicide ideation?
You were. I didn’t say suicides were higher. So your counter that suicides aren’t higher is a straw man.
I really have a difficult time believing suicides are lower. How can depression and anxiety explode and suicides drop? Makes no sense. One of those is wrong.
Lockdowns include: closing entertainment, schools, social gatherings, extra curricular activities, family gatherings. Quarantining the sick, as has been our standard pandemic response, not bad.
flu is another interesting one. In the U.K., I saw recently that they have had zero flu cases this winter. Seems impossible to me.
I did cite suicide ideation in my previous post.

the lockdowns were very very bad. Progressives own them. That explains your post and tone.
 

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Vaxed and lovin it! You?
One down, one to go.

The faster every 16+ year old person who wants the vaccine gets it, the sooner I can give the middle finger to every one else who is stupid enough not to get it and burn my mask.
 

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You were. I didn’t say suicides were higher. So your counter that suicides aren’t higher is a straw man.
I really have a difficult time believing suicides are lower. How can depression and anxiety explode and suicides drop? Makes no sense. One of those is wrong.
Lockdowns include: closing entertainment, schools, social gatherings, extra curricular activities, family gatherings. Quarantining the sick, as has been our standard pandemic response, not bad.
flu is another interesting one. In the U.K., I saw recently that they have had zero flu cases this winter. Seems impossible to me.
I did cite suicide ideation in my previous post.

the lockdowns were very very bad. Progressives own them. That explains your post and tone.
That's a no on the citation for suicide ideation, then?
 

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"If you've had the vaccine you still must wear a mask, social distance, travel, and avoid indoor gatherings"
Still doesn’t change the fact that the quickest way back to normalcy is for a majority of the population gets the vaccine. And the good news is it looks like the vaccine doesn’t just lessen how sick someone gets but probably prevents the virus from spreading.
 
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