I brought up Sweden because they pretty much did what you’re saying we should have done and failed to protect the vulnerable. They’ve gone away from it because it didn’t work and currently have some pretty strict restrictions in place.
Hospitalizations and ICU admissions still going up.
Case numbers going up.
MN Covid-19 Update - Friday, April 2
data reported by 4pm the previous day.
Positive Cases 493,618 +2,073. Including probable cases 524,203.Positive test rate 5.0%.
Health-Care workers with positive cases 39,354 +59.
Cases no longer needing isolation 501,188 +837.
Active Cases 16,151 +1,695.
Deaths 6,486 +3. Including probable deaths 6,864.
Deaths at long-term care and assisted living 4,047 +2. Including probable cases 4,282).
Patients currently Hospitalized 439 +4. Cumulative 27,476 +72.
Patients currently In ICU 112 +7. Cumulative 5,651 +16.
Total PCR tests processed 7,754,272 +41,246. Including antigen tests 8,303,586.
Also agree with this in spirit.
HOWEVER, we are rapidly approaching a date such that: every single adult American in the country could have had a vaccine, if they wanted it.
My sympathy for any person who denies their opportunity to get a vaccine, and then gets infected with covid, will start fading exponentially fast after we reach that threshold date .......
Yes, this is one of the biggest problems with potential over-response to Covid, that of pushing back other medical needs, some of which just get worse from lack of treatment.Our friendly and sometimes overly smug candian friends have made their situation more difficult with an inexplicable near total shutdown of surgeries in 2020-2021 in preparation for a COVID-19 wave that never came. Ontario alone has a nearly 250k surgery backlog, including 36k cancer-related. This is a incredible number for a lightly populated province. Is this a cautionary tale on what happens when you give free reign to epidemiology modelers and the Feigl-Dings of the world. This will only get worse as they face their new spring surge in a vulnerable population with a low level of past infection and low level of vaccination.
The result? Over 36,000 Ontario cancer patients had their surgeries delayed last spring.
“That's a staggering number there and that's in Ontario alone in a very short period of time,” said Dr. Antoine Eskander, a surgical oncologist at Sunnybrook Health Sciences Centre in Toronto.
“It's almost impossible to recover from this type of a backlog ... Even if we were to operate on Saturdays and Sundays and into the evenings every day, which we don't have the capacity for, we could not do that even if we wanted to.”
Eskander says surgeries have only increased by small increments -- about 6 per cent per week. To increase surgical capacity, it would require not just hospital capacity, but nursing and physician capacity as well. And even then, it would be hard to recover, he says.
“So we're stuck in a situation now where I think it's becoming clear we're going to have to make decisions about surgery and about prioritization of certain types of procedures … And I'm worried that there will be some patients who won't get surgery for a very long time.”
How do I feel about people who chose not to get the vaccine for obesity or smoking?How do you feel about (most people afflicted with) obesity? Smokers?
Wrong. It’s important that the cure is not worse than the disease. Dozens of times progs have pushed this “greed” angle. Dozens of times we’ve had to correct you that businesses destroyed, kids out of school and trapped in abusive families, fear, drug abuse, loneliness, suicide, elderly isolation, and just plain everyone stopping their lives and not celebrating, mourning, etc all has a HUGE cost.
Also cons: BMI is bogus. I had a BMI turn up overweight because their waist measurement was 6 inches bigger than the waist I wear in pants. But yes, obesity is an epidemic. It’s controllable. And it’s a major risk factor for all sorts of chronic disease including covid. Shutting down the country with all the above costs to protect people with a controllable health condition is just wrong.
Here were the stats I posted JTF. See if your straw man fits in.here are some real stats:
60k preventable cancer deaths in the UK
2.5 million people missed cancer screenings or treatment
UN says 42 - 66 million children risk falling into extreme poverty.
up to 75k deaths of despair according to cbs news
UNICEF warns of 1.2 million child deaths
130 million people at risk of starvation according to Oxfords Sunetra Gupta
Suicide ideation massively on the rise in the US, from usually 6-11% contemplating suicide in the past 12 months, to 25.5% considering it in the past 30 days for 18-25 year olds
As a direct result of lockdowns, NYT reports 1.4 million excess TB deaths, 500k excess HIV deaths, and 385k malaria deaths worldwide
We should give the most selfish pricks absolute power over us. That will surely create utopia.Deuce is a pie in the sky dreamer, you sound like me at 15. It's cute, you should go play tag with Greta, two idealistic peas in the pod.
I value liberty to, but I also value holding those with power accountable for their actions. And I am a realist, people are selfish pricks, voluntary cooperation will not make the world a utopia.
Oh, come on.... You know the answer to this. Anyone who could remotely be a candidate in 2024, we need to start laying the foundation in the main stream media NOW to tear that person down. And of course he's been arguably the most effective Gov in the country at handling his state's business during the pandemic. Terrible man...Why does the MSM have such a hard on for DeSantis? It’s really bizarre. Must think he has all the positives of Trump without the baggage.
But man, it is so obvious and transparent. Michigan currently has 7 of the top 10 areas with the highest outbreak. Would any of the board progs know that? Does anyone know that?Oh, come on.... You know the answer to this. Anyone who could remotely be a candidate in 2024, we need to start laying the foundation in the main stream media NOW to tear that person down. And of course he's been arguably the most effective Gov in the country at handling his state's business during the pandemic. Terrible man...
I've seen it reported multiple places. You guys are so desperate to be victims of the media. Golf was so desperate he took offense to Cory Provus not opening his radio show with Happy Easter. That is the pathetic new low, but I believe you can top it!But man, it is so obvious and transparent. Michigan currently has 7 of the top 10 areas with the highest outbreak. Would any of the board progs know that? Does anyone know that?
How do I feel about people who chose not to get the vaccine for obesity or smoking?
When you decide to be genuine and clear about the point you want to make, then you can expect genuine responses.
Frankly, no.Clear enough?