The new Corona virus, should we worry?

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the mitigation would have been a LOT more aggressive and possibly hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved, not to mention livelihoods.
Jesus f'k, you're just plain being a complete moron here. For the better part of the last 10 years, you've done a lot better. Pull your head out for crying out loud. You don't get a membership trophy or t-shirt for being like WhoFell, Minnesota, beatles, USAF, Murray, Wally, and stockboy.

Hundreds of thousands of lives.... you're not one of the mouth-breathers and knuckle-draggers, GJ
 

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Hundreds of thousands of lives....
What are your thoughts on South Korea?

About 52M people living in an area roughly the size of Indiana. They've had around 1500 deaths. Even if you normalize for the US having 6x more people, that's only let's even call it 10k deaths.

Is 10k deaths "hundreds of thousands of lives" fewer than 505k deaths?
 

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Jesus f'k, you're just plain being a complete moron here. For the better part of the last 10 years, you've done a lot better. Pull your head out for crying out loud. You don't get a membership trophy or t-shirt for being like WhoFell, Minnesota, beatles, USAF, Murray, Wally, and stockboy.

Hundreds of thousands of lives.... you're not one of the mouth-breathers and knuckle-draggers, GJ
Yeah, hundreds of thousands might be a bit of a stretch. Or maybe not. Here's something for you to look at:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

US - 505K dead, 1522/M
Mexico - 178K, 1372
Ireland - 4082, 821
Canada - 21K, 566
Russia - 82K, 564
World Avg - 315/M
Norway - 607, 111
Australia - 909, 35
 

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MN Covid-19 Update - Fri, Feb 19

data reported by 4pm the previous day.

Positive Cases 454,910 +828. Including probable cases 477,287.

Positive Test rate 2.1%.

Health-Care workers with positive cases 37,392 +47.

Cases no longer needing isolation 463,454 +413.

Active Cases 7,412 +574.

Deaths 6,143 +8. Including probable deaths 6,412.

Deaths at long-term care and assisted living 3,901+2. Including probable cases 4,029.

Patients currently Hospitalized 282 -5. Cumulative 25,368 +27.

Patients currently In ICU 59 +5. Cumulative 5,240 +10.

Total tests processed 6,700,993 +39,633.

Number of people tested 3,398,592 +12,179.
 

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I see. Yeah, still don't like it, but "maximize utility" and all that. The real solution is to solve the logistical issues. But that is obviously tricky, especially in this country.
I heard something on the radio today that Pfizer submitted something to the FDA that they believe shows their vaccine could be stored in a standard freezer for up to 2-weeks. That could really be a game changer.

Finally got a chance to Google it.
 

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I am very open to the zoonotic jump/mutation theory, which actually has less supporting evidence at the current time.
You say this, but then you never post about it, and your other posts are very supportive of the accident idea.

The supporting evidence is how many of the previous human epidemics came from zoonosis.

So that should be the assumed ground truth, until disproven.
 

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I have governor envy.

Guy starts out asking: "You've been resistant to implement mask mandates ... you're skeptical of their efficacy"

He was clearly commenting that she has been skeptical about the efficacy of mandates.

She cuts him off to respond: "I never said that Joe! Don't put words in my mouth."


Then at 0:57 she says: "What I argue is the mandate. I think the mandate is inappropriate for government come in and mandate that somebody wear a mask."


Not a very good job by Noem here. I'd prefer a governor who talks with some consistency in what they're saying.
 
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Guy starts out asking: "You've been resistant to implement mask mandates ... you're skeptical of their efficacy"

He was clearly commenting that she has been skeptical about the efficacy of mandates.

She cuts him off to respond: "I never said that Joe! Don't put words in my mouth."


Then at 0:57 she says: "What I argue is the mandate. I think the mandate is inappropriate for government come in and mandate that somebody wear a mask."


Not a very good job by Noem here. I'd prefer a governor who talks with some consistency in what they're saying.
No government mandates! Freedom!

What's that? You voted overwhemlmingly to legalize pot? $%^^ you citizens! Because Jesus!
 

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The media is really struggling to criticize DeSantis. Vaccinating “political supporters” otherwise known as the ELDERLY, you know the ones that are most likely to die from Covid.

DeSantis is the new MSM target as Trump stories wane. The media really hates seeing Republicans politicians succeed and get credit.

Other big city, large states can only wish that they would have done as well, like New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, and Michigan, all run by Democrat Governors. But let’s keep minimizing the disaster that Gov Cuomo’s decision DID NOT prioritize the elderly in nursing homes and the disastrous consequences.

We get it. JTF hates Ron DeSantis.
 

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This is quite the reach but with Trump gone the MSM needs someone to play the right-wing villain. No one will care about the Cruz story in a couple of days so back to DeSantis that evil monster who prioritized the vaccination of seniors.
Another day. Another OUTRAGE.
It’s all distraction from the real story.
 

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I'm at work. I don't want to be at work. that is all.

MN Covid-19 Update - Saturday, Feb 20

data reported by 4pm the previous day.

Positive Cases 455,619 +718. Including probable cases 478,157.

Positive test rate 2.5%.

Health-Care workers with positive cases 37,432 +40.

Cases no longer needing isolation 464,504 +1,050.

Active Cases 7,230 -182.

Deaths 6,153 +10. Including probable deaths 6,423.

Deaths at long-term care and assisted living 3,906 +5. Including probable cases 4,034.

Total patients Hospitalized-cumulative 25,426 +58.

Total patients in ICU-cumulative 5,249 +9.

Total tests processed 6,729,262 +28,429.

Number of people tested 3,406,347 +7,755.
 

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I'm at work. I don't want to be at work. that is all.

MN Covid-19 Update - Saturday, Feb 20

data reported by 4pm the previous day.

Positive Cases 455,619 +718. Including probable cases 478,157.

Positive test rate 2.5%.

Health-Care workers with positive cases 37,432 +40.

Cases no longer needing isolation 464,504 +1,050.

Active Cases 7,230 -182.

Deaths 6,153 +10. Including probable deaths 6,423.

Deaths at long-term care and assisted living 3,906 +5. Including probable cases 4,034.

Total patients Hospitalized-cumulative 25,426 +58.

Total patients in ICU-cumulative 5,249 +9.

Total tests processed 6,729,262 +28,429.

Number of people tested 3,406,347 +7,755.
Thanks SON
 

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The spectrum is "impulsively do whatever comes to your mind with no caution" on one end, and "take no action until you're perfectly certain of the outcome" on the other.

The optimal is usually somewhere in the middle of any spectrum.
Doesn’t it seem most prudent to follow the two dose schedule, and the rest of the unvaccinated or partially vaccinated can shelter in place until their turn? Why give partial, at best, protection to every senior, and confidence to no one? People will either a) feel anxious about receiving one dose and remain sequestered from society or b) take to heart a message one vaccine is effective and forget about the second one potentialy leading to worse outcomes. It’s already going to be a challenge to get people back for their second doses (scared of side effects, mixed and potentially untrue messages about one dose effectivity.

Osterholm’s strategy punishes everyone equally.
 

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You say this, but then you never post about it, and your other posts are very supportive of the accident idea.

The supporting evidence is how many of the previous human epidemics came from zoonosis.

So that should be the assumed ground truth, until disproven.
I’ve literally stated it’s very plausible several times. You hear what you want to hear.

Previous SARS and MERS zoonotic crossovers had intermediate hosts, genomic evidence of early mutation and selective adaptation to humans, and aren’t particularly transmissible vs SARS2. This is one of the major points you continue to hand wave away. Very little genomic variation in early SARS2 cases (what’s published), no plausible intermediate host at this time that would explain SARS2‘s extreme transmissibility and affinity for human ACE2 receptors. There are alternative explanations but they are as “wild” and “unlikely” as the accident hypothesis.

Serious people have not discounted the accident hypothesis, you simply are tuned into the WHO investigation/non-investigation led by people with enormous conflicts of interest and/or heavy interest in making this all just go away. Time will tell, hopefully. I’m not immune to the idea there are always people looking for audiences and page hits and attention, but the hypotheses lives amongst a fairly broad spectrum.
 

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Speaking of politically-motivated vaccinations CA is setting aside 10% of vaccines for teachers as of March 1 despite their black and white refusal to go back to the classroom until students are vaccinated.

Newsom seems to know where his bread is buttered, too.

What are the Cuomos up to today?
 

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Speaking of politically-motivated vaccinations CA is setting aside 10% of vaccines for teachers as of March 1 despite their black and white refusal to go back to the classroom until students are vaccinated.

Newsom seems to know where his bread is buttered, too.

What are the Cuomos up to today?
Old news man.
 

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Speaking of politically-motivated vaccinations CA is setting aside 10% of vaccines for teachers as of March 1 despite their black and white refusal to go back to the classroom until students are vaccinated.

Newsom seems to know where his bread is buttered, too.

What are the Cuomos up to today?
He’s closing the two skating rinks at Trump plaza.
 

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MN Covid-19 Update - Sunday, Feb 21

data reported by 4pm the previous day.

Positive Cases 456,370 +759. Including probable cases 479,036.

Positive test rate 3.0%.

Health-Care workers with positive cases 37,462 +30.

Cases no longer needing isolation 465,382 +878.

Active cases 7,222 -8.

Deaths 6,162 +9. Including probable deaths 6,432.

Deaths at long-term care and assisted living 3,910 +4. Including probable cases 4,037.

Total patients hospitalized-cumulative 25,455 +29.

Total patients in ICU-cumulative 5,258 +9.

Total tests processed 6,754,710 +25,518.

Number of people tested 3,417,125 +10,778.
 

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I’ve literally stated it’s very plausible several times.
Accident: you've posted many times and with great detail and elaboration supporting those arguments
Zoonosis: you've posted a few times and nothing more than "it's possible".

Not at all equivalent.

Very little genomic variation in early SARS2 cases (what’s published), no plausible intermediate host at this time that would explain SARS2‘s extreme transmissibility and affinity for human ACE2 receptors.
Says who? And how can they possibly say?

Sars2 is not Sars and not Mers, for good reason.

It evolved differently. Prove that wrong.
 
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