The new Corona virus, should we worry?

GophersInIowa

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What I got out of the article is there is a group on one end claiming it is all a hoax, a group on the other end practicing #fearporn, and that reality is in the middle somewhere.
That’s true but a lot of people have been saying this for a long time. Pretty much everything else was junk IMO.
 

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It’s the misinterpretation of what the 94% represents. It just means that 94% of death certificates listed at least one other thing besides Covid. That’s to be expected. The two most common comorbidities are pneumonia and respiratory failure, both of which are caused by Covid. He either doesn’t understand that, didn’t research it all or is purposely misinterpreting the data.


I agree the lions share of the elderly were probably pushed over the edge by Covid, but certainly some significant percentage had other issues like community-acquired pneumonia, sepsis, and a raft of other issues.

Related: the reason some public health experts are somewhat resistant to vaccinating the most vulnerable first (the very elderly) is PR: they don’t want numerous anecdotes popping up of these folks kicking off minutes or hours or days after vaccination. Of course in most cases it won’t be because of the vaccine, it’s because they are on death’s door with low physiologic reserve to begin with. Will we count them as adverse events (deaths)? I doubt the professionals will which raises the vexing questions Dr. Kendrick wrote about.
 

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Newsom’s team has made a real mess out here with flat out dishonesty, made-up statistical thresholds, and poor adherence to the balance of known science. In your neck of the woods we all saw what happened with the MN modeling and the vast overreaction last year, Ellison’s selective enforcement of the law.
Newsom has done PRECISELY what you would expect from someone elected the leader of California
 

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But not you....
My only “prediction“ is that most western countries will end up more or less in the same place by some arbitrary end date, say July 2021 (but the virus will be around most likely in some form forever) with some sub-cultural differences but I admit I could be wrong. It could take longer. Feel free to book mark this post. 🤷‍♂️

Most of my criticisms are leveled at those who think they know more than they do or are literally making up epidemiological policy as they go along, or lying to the public about what we actually do know and don’t know. Let’s not do that.
 

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This is nonsense. Sorry, my man.

You're just parroting the semi-recent food marketing trends of worshiping protein as a miracle cure for all of life's ailments.
Not protein, I am not parroting protein. The best diet for health and longevity is very low carb, moderate protein and as much good fat(animal, olive, coconut and a few others) and as much vegetables as you want, fruit also but limit high carb stuff like dates and bananas. Definitely no juice.
 

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As of 4:21pm on 1/1......
- 28.1% of the total received doses have been given
- In the 50-States (+ DC), the average % of doses given is 31.2%
- In the 50-States (+ DC), the median % of doses given is 28.5%
- 3 are above 50% - Maine, South Dakota, DC
- 9 States are above 40% - CT, WV, MT, NE, ND, OH
- 16 have given more than 1/3 - IL, CO, SC, VT, NM, TX, RI
- Minnesota ranks #41 in the US (48,189/210,750) @ 22.9%
(NOTE: this # of shots given is higher than MDH is reporting on their web-site).
- 9 States less organized than MN - CA, NC, NJ, AL, WA, OK, GA, KS
- Kansas is last - only 10.6% and almost 10% fewer than 2nd to last (GA - 20.4%).

MN moves from 41st to 20th having given 39.1% of its shots as of 4pm yesterday. SD now in first (69.1%) and Kansas still last (17.1%). Nice to see States figuring this out.
 

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QAnon congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene was just kicked off the house floor for refusing to wear a mask LOL.
 

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Hey - I was right. the numbers reported on Sunday include data for two days - Jan 1 & Jan 2.
very low positive test rate.

MN Covid-19 Update - Sund, Jan 3

with data from Fri, Jan 1 and Sat, Jan 2.

Positive Cases 405,686 +2,534. (positive test rate 2.9%)

Health-Care workers with positive cases 32,574 +145.

Cases no longer needing isolation 403,419 +5,220.

Active Cases 11,700 -2,556.

Deaths 5,248 +47.

Deaths at long-term care and assisted living 3,413 +31.

Total hospitalized-cumulative 22,095 +111.

Total in ICU-cumulative 4,658 +20.

Total tests processed 5,476,196 +88,046.

Number of people tested 3,107,309 +34,456.
 

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This continues throughout the world. We are being played. The China Virus is not a hoax but deaths are greatly exaggerated.

GII says these examples are not truth. Why would the medical community lie?

Did I do that right?
 

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What is it with crazy Wisconsin pharmacists, ND nurses, London nurses, anti-vaxxers, Covid hoaxers, Covid alarmists, the CADPH apparatus, Rebekah Jones, and on and on. We’ve lost our minds.

 

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The constant outright lying and people still can’t believe why some are skeptical about the reporting with regards to the pandemic.
Yeah, it’s a s***show. The “ends justify the means” people lie on the extremes of the spectrum and while I won’t be sad to see the current crop of politically appointed advisors and agency heads go the new crop is just as scary if not moreso. Look no further than California and the nonsensical counterproductive approach to the pandemic. I’m worried.
 

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This is what Trump does rather than working to fight the pandemic

 

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This continues throughout the world. We are being played. The China Virus is not a hoax but deaths are greatly exaggerated.

The people going crazy over these extreme cases are some of the same people saying the media keeps spreading “fear porn” when covering someone young and healthy getting sick or dying, MIS-C and other things that aren’t extremely common. This is no different. People are pointing out the most extreme and ridiculous cases to cause a reaction.

Yeah it happens but there’s no evidence it’s extremely widespread. The evidence actually says otherwise. Excess death patterns follow pretty closely to Covid deaths and the last report was that over 92% of death certificates with Covid had it as the underlying cause.
 

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I remember WAY back when washing your hands and not shaking hands was important, and probably more effective than wearing masks. Funny how there's hardly any mention of washing hands anymore...
Probably because nobody is acting like a toddler when asked to wash their hands.
 

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The people going crazy over these extreme cases are some of the same people saying the media keeps spreading “fear porn” when covering someone young and healthy getting sick or dying, MIS-C and other things that aren’t extremely common. This is no different. People are pointing out the most extreme and ridiculous cases to cause a reaction.

Yeah it happens but there’s no evidence it’s extremely widespread. The evidence actually says otherwise. Excess death patterns follow pretty closely to Covid deaths and the last report was that over 92% of death certificates with Covid had it as the underlying cause.
The right goes nuts when one person on the left does something stupid or violent. Whole threads on and on. But if the news writes a story about a 40 year old dieing of Covid, OMG its fear mongering. Priceless princesses.
 

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This is an interesting article contrasting the different approaches that North and South Dakota have taken.

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The people going crazy over these extreme cases are some of the same people saying the media keeps spreading “fear porn” when covering someone young and healthy getting sick or dying, MIS-C and other things that aren’t extremely common. This is no different. People are pointing out the most extreme and ridiculous cases to cause a reaction.

Yeah it happens but there’s no evidence it’s extremely widespread. The evidence actually says otherwise. Excess death patterns follow pretty closely to Covid deaths and the last report was that over 92% of death certificates with Covid had it as the underlying cause.
In the bold, I'm not sure why youre trying to say. The people that say the media is spreading fear porn, which they are, are going crazy over the extreme cases? I guess what does "going crazy over the extreme cases" mean?
 

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The people going crazy over these extreme cases are some of the same people saying the media keeps spreading “fear porn” when covering someone young and healthy getting sick or dying, MIS-C and other things that aren’t extremely common. This is no different. People are pointing out the most extreme and ridiculous cases to cause a reaction.

Yeah it happens but there’s no evidence it’s extremely widespread. The evidence actually says otherwise. Excess death patterns follow pretty closely to Covid deaths and the last report was that over 92% of death certificates with Covid had it as the underlying cause.
When you cannot trust the media, you draw your own conclusions. You are attempting to hold people accountable for drawing these conclusions while giving the dishonest media a pass. You want to protect the media because they present your viewpoint (which is a dishonest one).
 

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In the bold, I'm not sure why youre trying to say. The people that say the media is spreading fear porn, which they are, are going crazy over the extreme cases? I guess what does "going crazy over the extreme cases" mean?
Thought the same thing.

GII is saying his trust is not there, just like many others. Just wont admit it.....
 
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