The new Corona virus, should we worry?

Wally

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As of 4:21pm on 1/1......
- 28.1% of the total received doses have been given
- In the 50-States (+ DC), the average % of doses given is 31.2%
- In the 50-States (+ DC), the median % of doses given is 28.5%
- 3 are above 50% - Maine, South Dakota, DC
- 9 States are above 40% - CT, WV, MT, NE, ND, OH
- 16 have given more than 1/3 - IL, CO, SC, VT, NM, TX, RI
- Minnesota ranks #41 in the US (48,189/210,750) @ 22.9%
(NOTE: this # of shots given is higher than MDH is reporting on their web-site).
- 9 States less organized than MN - CA, NC, NJ, AL, WA, OK, GA, KS
- Kansas is last - only 10.6% and almost 10% fewer than 2nd to last (GA - 20.4%).

Maybe its like JJMD said and no one wants the vaccine.
 

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So you cant discredit the article, you try to discredit the author.....

There is plenty of room for discussion on the effectiveness and side effects of statins, saturated fats aren't bad you, most poly unsaturated fats are, high carb, low glycemic carbs and being obese are way more detrimental to cholesterol than fats.....and so forth, we can have another thread on diet if you want..........
It really isn’t hard to discredit the article. For example, he’s pushing the false narrative that the CDC said 94% of Covid deaths were of people practically on their death beds. That alone should cause people to stop reading. He’s another conspiracy theorists with a clear agenda.
 

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So you cant discredit the article, you try to discredit the author.....

There is plenty of room for discussion on the effectiveness and side effects of statins, saturated fats aren't bad you, most poly unsaturated fats are, high carb, low glycemic carbs and being obese are way more detrimental to cholesterol than fats.....and so forth, we can have another thread on diet if you want..........
JJ just gets more and more gross conspiracy/anti-science the more he posts. Very clearly not a licensed doctor of any kind.

Wait ... is he diehard's son???
 

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High fat diet is not bad for you. Carbs are the bad. High carb diet gives you high cholesterol and high blood pressure.
This is nonsense. Sorry, my man.

You're just parroting the semi-recent food marketing trends of worshiping protein as a miracle cure for all of life's ailments.
 

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The article was actually pretty good and made some great points.
GWG has been wrong on every single aspect of the pandemic.

So there you go, proof that you shouldn't touch this "article" with a 10-foot pole.
 

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It really isn’t hard to discredit the article. For example, he’s pushing the false narrative that the CDC said 94% of Covid deaths were of people practically on their death beds. That alone should cause people to stop reading. He’s another conspiracy theorists with a clear agenda.
All this and not a word from GII regarding people sitting on top of each other on airplanes.
 

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As has already been said hundreds of times -- you're just too much of a dumbass to get it -- the amount and quality of air circulation in airplanes defeats your fake point.
 

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Hence why the parents and grandparents would be the liable ones.
Newsom’s team has made a real mess out here with flat out dishonesty, made-up statistical thresholds, and poor adherence to the balance of known science. In your neck of the woods we all saw what happened with the MN modeling and the vast overreaction last year, Ellison’s selective enforcement of the law.

To illustrate just one way Newsom’s team plays fast and loose with numbers the current claim is hospitals are at 0% ICU capacity but at many/most facilities this isn’t necessarily true and in some it’s not close to true. The department of health is “adjusting“ publicized numbers, not taking into account beds reserved for semi-elective surgeries, etc. They seem to think lying to the public is good policy. Is it?

From a Mercury article:

CDPH says it calculates the adjusted ICU capacity based on the proportion of ICU patients who have COVID-19. "If a region is utilizing more than 30% of its ICU beds for COVID-19 positive patients, then its available ICU capacity is adjusted downward by 0.5% for each 1% over the 30% threshold," according to the CDPH office of public affairs.

So that mind-bending formula explains how the state has 0% capacity with more than 1,300 ICU beds still available — and maybe why an explanation has been so hard to come by.

CDPH has still not responded to a request for the actual and adjusted ICU capacity measures for each of the state's five regions. But figures reported by Orange County's public health department provided a hint of how it works. As of Monday, the county reported that the hard-hit Southern California region's ICU bed availability was 0.0%, adjusted, and 11.1% unadjusted. That suggests Southern California's ICU's have more than 50% COVID patients, according to the state's formula for adjusting capacity.

San Bernardino, one of the hardest-hit counties in Southern California, provides some additional details that lend insight on the ICU crisis. The chart below from the county's coronavirus data dashboard shows the total number of ICU beds has risen slightly since early October, while COVID patients in the ICU have shot up. Now, COVID patients appear to make up more than half of all patients in the ICU, but some beds are still available.

CDPH said it adjusts the capacity measure "to preserve the capacity of the ICU to also treat non-COVID-19 conditions."

Adjusted or unadjusted, health experts say ICU capacity is a highly fluid number that also factors in the availability of ICU nurses, necessary equipment, and suitable space — not simply beds. Ultimately, experts say, capacity can be increased, but gauging capacity is an essential tool to monitor how much we're straining the system.
 

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Newsom’s team has made a real mess out here with flat out dishonesty, made-up statistical thresholds, and poor adherence to the balance of known science. In your neck of the woods we all saw what happened with the MN modeling and the vast overreaction last year, Ellison’s selective enforcement of the law.

To illustrate just one way Newsom’s team plays fast and loose with numbers the current claim is hospitals are at 0% ICU capacity but at many/most facilities this isn’t necessarily true and in some it’s not close to true. The department of health is “adjusting“ publicized numbers, not taking into account beds reserved for semi-elective surgeries, etc. They seem to think lying to the public is good policy. Is it?

From a Mercury article:

CDPH says it calculates the adjusted ICU capacity based on the proportion of ICU patients who have COVID-19. "If a region is utilizing more than 30% of its ICU beds for COVID-19 positive patients, then its available ICU capacity is adjusted downward by 0.5% for each 1% over the 30% threshold," according to the CDPH office of public affairs.

So that mind-bending formula explains how the state has 0% capacity with more than 1,300 ICU beds still available — and maybe why an explanation has been so hard to come by.

CDPH has still not responded to a request for the actual and adjusted ICU capacity measures for each of the state's five regions. But figures reported by Orange County's public health department provided a hint of how it works. As of Monday, the county reported that the hard-hit Southern California region's ICU bed availability was 0.0%, adjusted, and 11.1% unadjusted. That suggests Southern California's ICU's have more than 50% COVID patients, according to the state's formula for adjusting capacity.

San Bernardino, one of the hardest-hit counties in Southern California, provides some additional details that lend insight on the ICU crisis. The chart below from the county's coronavirus data dashboard shows the total number of ICU beds has risen slightly since early October, while COVID patients in the ICU have shot up. Now, COVID patients appear to make up more than half of all patients in the ICU, but some beds are still available.

CDPH said it adjusts the capacity measure "to preserve the capacity of the ICU to also treat non-COVID-19 conditions."

Adjusted or unadjusted, health experts say ICU capacity is a highly fluid number that also factors in the availability of ICU nurses, necessary equipment, and suitable space — not simply beds. Ultimately, experts say, capacity can be increased, but gauging capacity is an essential tool to monitor how much we're straining the system.
I can only take this post to mean that you agree it has been mostly conservative Americans' "freedumb" defiance that has caused the pandemic to be as bad as it is.

Because that is indeed the case.
 

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I can only take this post to mean that you agree it has been mostly conservative Americans' "freedumb" defiance that has caused the pandemic to be as bad as it is.

Because that is indeed the case.
If that thought validates your entrenched positions and value set then it must make sense to you (and you alone). We’re all entitled to our opinions, despite all evidence.
 

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If that thought validates your entrenched positions and value set then it must make sense to you (and you alone). We’re all entitled to our opinions, despite all evidence.
If they had respected masks, distancing, and rules against gatherings, we'd be much closer to successful Asian countries.

Not an opinion. Just the way it is.
 

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If they had respected masks, distancing, and rules against gatherings, we'd be much closer to successful Asian countries.

Not an opinion. Just the way it is.
You genuinely believe this? I’m holding out some hope for you that you were just trying to be facetious and contrarily hyperbolic, but it’s hanging by a thread.
 

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You genuinely believe this? I’m holding out some hope for you that you were just trying to be facetious and contrarily hyperbolic, but it’s hanging by a thread.
Who are you putting on a show for?? Yourself, I guess.

I suspect you push this bombastic yet completely unsupported caricature for your own amusement.
 

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As has already been said hundreds of times -- you're just too much of a dumbass to get it -- the amount and quality of air circulation in airplanes defeats your fake point.
Does the air quality in the terminal, sitting at the gate, taxiing to and from the airport matter? This is why common sense tells us airports and traveling bia airplanes are still at least a low risk if you are in line with or seated near a shedder in the terminal or on the plane. The wild card is what type of masks people are wearing. If we want to get cases to zero or down to a manageable number (we clearly don’t) mass transit is as good a place to start restricting mingling as any.
 

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The incompetence of the Trump admin in the pandemic is staggering. Should be criminal. I'd vote for that. Because it seems like it has to be purposeful, to be this bad.


It’s been two weeks since U.S. officials launched what ought to be the largest vaccination campaign in the nation’s history. So far, things are going poorly.

How poorly? Untold numbers of vaccine doses will expire before they can be injected into American arms, while communities around the country are reporting more corpses than their mortuaries can handle.

Operation Warp Speed has failed to come anywhere close to its original goal of vaccinating 20 million people against the coronavirus by the end of 2020. Of the 14 million vaccine doses that have been produced and delivered to hospitals and health departments across the country, just an estimated three million people have been vaccinated. The rest of the lifesaving doses, presumably, remain stored in deep freezers — where several million of them could well expire before they can be put to use.

That’s an astonishing failure — one that stands out in a year of astonishing failures. The situation is made grimmer by how familiar the underlying narrative is: Poor coordination at the federal level, combined with a lack of funding and support for state and local entities, has resulted in a string of avoidable missteps and needless delays. We have been here before, in other words. With testing. With shutdowns. With contact tracing. With genomic surveillance.
 

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note - the # reported today are from Thurs, Dec 31 only.
I suspect that Sunday's update might have totals from Friday and Saturday, but won't know till they post the new update Sunday morning.
And looks like they will not update the beds-in-use site until Monday.
(p.s. One of my New Year's resolutions was to not get upset when Pompous and MplsGopher derail every thread into one of their personal grudge matches. I don't think that one is going to last long..............)

MN Covid-19 update - Sat, Jan 2

for data reported on Dec 31 only.

Positive Cases 403,150 +2,200. (positive test rate 6.7%)

Health-Care workers with positive cases 32,429 +235.

Cases no longer needing isolation 398,199 +1,119.

Active cases 14,256 +1,357.

Deaths 5,201 +50.

Deaths at long-term care and assisted living 3,382 +32.

Total hospitalized-cumulative 21,984 +120.

Total in ICU-cumulative 4,638 +18.

Total tests processed 5,387,936 +32,647.

Number of people tested 2,982,853 +10,049.
 

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It really wasn’t IMO. He uses false narratives (94%) and used graphs that the website itself says is incomplete.
What I got out of the article is there is a group on one end claiming it is all a hoax, a group on the other end practicing #fearporn, and that reality is in the middle somewhere.
 

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Maybe its like JJMD said and no one wants the vaccine.
Well, the MDH was complimenting themselves a couple days ago on their distribution efforts. Maybe they’ll crack the top 40 soon? Not really anything they can do about it tho.... without a time machine.
 

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Can you point me in the right direction on 94% having co morbities a false narrative? Thank you
It’s the misinterpretation of what the 94% represents. It just means that 94% of death certificates listed at least one other thing besides Covid. That’s to be expected. The two most common comorbidities are pneumonia and respiratory failure, both of which are caused by Covid. He either doesn’t understand that, didn’t research it all or is purposely misinterpreting the data.


 

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The incompetence of the Trump admin in the pandemic is staggering. Should be criminal. I'd vote for that. Because it seems like it has to be purposeful, to be this bad.


It’s been two weeks since U.S. officials launched what ought to be the largest vaccination campaign in the nation’s history. So far, things are going poorly.

How poorly? Untold numbers of vaccine doses will expire before they can be injected into American arms, while communities around the country are reporting more corpses than their mortuaries can handle.

Operation Warp Speed has failed to come anywhere close to its original goal of vaccinating 20 million people against the coronavirus by the end of 2020. Of the 14 million vaccine doses that have been produced and delivered to hospitals and health departments across the country, just an estimated three million people have been vaccinated. The rest of the lifesaving doses, presumably, remain stored in deep freezers — where several million of them could well expire before they can be put to use.

That’s an astonishing failure — one that stands out in a year of astonishing failures. The situation is made grimmer by how familiar the underlying narrative is: Poor coordination at the federal level, combined with a lack of funding and support for state and local entities, has resulted in a string of avoidable missteps and needless delays. We have been here before, in other words. With testing. With shutdowns. With contact tracing. With genomic surveillance.
What a load of hogwash. The prose has the stench of Leonhardt at the NYT. Close?
 

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note - the # reported today are from Thurs, Dec 31 only.
I suspect that Sunday's update might have totals from Friday and Saturday, but won't know till they post the new update Sunday morning.
And looks like they will not update the beds-in-use site until Monday.
(p.s. One of my New Year's resolutions was to not get upset when Pompous and MplsGopher derail every thread into one of their personal grudge matches. I don't think that one is going to last long..............)

MN Covid-19 update - Sat, Jan 2

for data reported on Dec 31 only.

Positive Cases 403,150 +2,200. (positive test rate 6.7%)

Health-Care workers with positive cases 32,429 +235.

Cases no longer needing isolation 398,199 +1,119.

Active cases 14,256 +1,357.

Deaths 5,201 +50.

Deaths at long-term care and assisted living 3,382 +32.

Total hospitalized-cumulative 21,984 +120.

Total in ICU-cumulative 4,638 +18.

Total tests processed 5,387,936 +32,647.

Number of people tested 2,982,853 +10,049.
Sorry I do find it moderately entertaining - which makes one of us (two if we include Mpls).
 
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