The new Corona virus, should we worry?

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I would not be surprised if a health-insurance provider tried to find some clause in its contract that allowed it to deny payment if a patient refuses vaccination - or at least charge them out-of-network rates. No idea if it would stand up in court, but I would not be surprised if someone tried.

the problem is that people do engage in other unwise behavior and that does not negate their health insurance - like a morbidly obese person who won't stop eating and develops diabetes or other problems. in a perfect world, the insurance company would have the right to say - get treatment, go see Dr. Now, or we cut off your insurance.
An obese person can reasonably argue that they're addicted to food and denying them medical care related to metabolic disease is unfair.

Refusing to take a vaccine with zero evidence to back it, is purely a person choosing to be an asshole. Punishment is deserved.
 

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An obese person can reasonably argue that they're addicted to food and denying them medical care related to metabolic disease is unfair.

Refusing to take a vaccine with zero evidence to back it, is purely a person choosing to be an asshole. Punishment is deserved.
How do you feel about non-pharma interventions without scientific evidence?

Who should the kids send the bill to for a lost year of education, socialization, life events/experienced, because of irrational fear-mongering?
 

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An obese person can reasonably argue that they're addicted to food and denying them medical care related to metabolic disease is unfair.

Refusing to take a vaccine with zero evidence to back it, is purely a person choosing to be an asshole. Punishment is deserved.
If the vaccine works IDGAF if you take it or not, your bs is rediculous.
 

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No doubt, much better to tell people to panic in the streets and to raid the stores for everything they can find because there could be massive government shutdowns and government control over every day life. That would have been a much better way to go. No doubt he was the ONLY one thinking this that long ago.

This was like a week or so after Pelosi was telling people to flock to Chinatown and Cuomo telling people there's nothing to worry about, keep coming to New York.

Sometimes you're dishonest, most times you're just plain stupid
 

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If the vaccine works IDGAF if you take it or not, your bs is rediculous.
Kids can't go to public school without vaccines (other than very rare exceptions for very rare allergy, which should not be allowed to be abused). I see it as no different. We can agree to disagree.
 

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Who should the kids send the bill to for a lost year of education, socialization, life events/experienced

I fully support that any K-12 student should be allowed to "do over" the lost 2020-21 school year, if they so choose to do that, with an additional year of eligibility in activities.
 

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GII, do you not remember the with vs from debate?
I remember people claiming most of the Covid deaths were just people that were going to die anyways while giving nothing to back it up. Meanwhile over 90% of Covid deaths list Covid as the primary cause of death. For that to not be true would mean many thousands of doctors are lying.
 

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No doubt, much better to tell people to panic in the streets and to raid the stores for everything they can find because there could be massive government shutdowns and government control over every day life. That would have been a much better way to go. No doubt he was the ONLY one thinking this that long ago.

This was like a week or so after Pelosi was telling people to flock to Chinatown and Cuomo telling people there's nothing to worry about, keep coming to New York.

Sometimes you're dishonest, most times you're just plain stupid
Yes those were definitely the only two options.
 

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Do you even look at this stuff before posting it? This isn’t for the US. The US had nowhere near 51k excess deaths that winter.
Yes, it is UK numbers. The twitter account is from manchester. The point is the variability and 2020 isnt some magical year of respiratory issues.

I wasnt aware COVID only happens in the US
 

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Yes, it is UK numbers. The twitter account is from manchester. The point is the variability and 2020 isnt some magical year of respiratory issues.

I wasnt aware COVID only happens in the US
The point he makes doesn’t translate to the US. That year the US saw less than 20k excess deaths compared to well over 200k this year.
 

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Yes those were definitely the only two options.
Throughout the history of the world, hindsight has always been 20/20. Still is today. It is not only pointless but significantly misleading for these frauds like zerofacts to keep drudging up quotes from way back, whether it's from 2 weeks ago, 2 months ago or 20 years ago. We make decisions today based on the best information we have at that time. As we get more information and better information, often those decisions need to be modified.

It's tiresome and insulting for these total fraud posters to keep dragging up crap like this.
 

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No doubt, much better to tell people to panic in the streets and to raid the stores for everything they can find
Didn't matter, NOTHING could have stopped that reaction you fool. Trump denying and downplaying it didn't stop people from panicking, so there goes that argument.
 

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Throughout the history of the world, hindsight has always been 20/20. Still is today. It is not only pointless but significantly misleading for these frauds like zerofacts to keep drudging up quotes from way back, whether it's from 2 weeks ago, 2 months ago or 20 years ago. We make decisions today based on the best information we have at that time. As we get more information and better information, often those decisions need to be modified.

It's tiresome and insulting for these total fraud posters to keep dragging up crap like this.
I don’t think this has anything to do with hindsight. It’s about the message. Constantly saying it’s just going to disappear on it’s own is ridiculous. And you know there are many people that believed that and still do. As more information was gathered, common sense should have told him it wasn’t going to just go away and that we aren’t doing a good job.

The message doesn’t have to be doom and gloom but he could have just been honest.
 

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I don’t think this has anything to do with hindsight. It’s about the message. Constantly saying it’s just going to disappear on it’s own is ridiculous. And you know there are many people that believed that and still do. As more information was gathered, common sense should have told him it wasn’t going to just go away and that we aren’t doing a good job.

The message doesn’t have to be doom and gloom but he could have just been honest.
Yet you are silent when the message from Democrats regarding the “Trump “ vaccine being untrustworthy.
Gii. Can’t make it up.
 

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Johns Hopkins article- Covid has no net effect on US deaths. Fewer heart attacks, fewer deaths by other causes...more Covid deaths
Bga, I already posted this article. But johns hopkins took it down. The link you have is to the way back machine, which luckily exists for instances like this.

It struck the wrong chord with someone. Lets remember Johns Hopkins hosted event 201, had the coronavirus dashboard, and has been on the forefront of the covid narrative
 

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Bga, I already posted this article. But johns hopkins took it down. The link you have is to the way back machine, which luckily exists for instances like this.

It struck the wrong chord with someone. Lets remember Johns Hopkins hosted event 201, had the coronavirus dashboard, and has been on the forefront of the covid narrative
 

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Sometimes I get the impression it only happens in South Dakota.
For months it’s been “places like Sweden and the Dakotas have done little while having low numbers. And Sweden has herd immunity! We should do what they’re doing!

Now people are pointing out that Sweden doesn’t have herd immunity and states like N and S Dakota have the worst death numbers since the initial outbreak. Now those same people are complaining that those places are being focused on. South Dakota especially is going to be focused on because their governor has been very outspoken about her unwillingness to do much of anything to help and continues to downplay it every chance she gets.
 

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For months it’s been “places like Sweden and the Dakotas have done little while having low numbers. And Sweden has herd immunity! We should do what they’re doing!

Now people are pointing out that Sweden doesn’t have herd immunity and states like N and S Dakota have the worst death numbers since the initial outbreak. Now those same people are complaining that those places are being focused on. South Dakota especially is going to be focused on because their governor has been very outspoken about her unwillingness to do much of anything to help and continues to downplay it every chance she gets.
Well, some people. You are being naive if you think that is why “some” are focusing on SD. Do you forget when the focus was AZ, TX, FL? I forget when it was IL. Truth is that most, if not all, States and Countries have had, are having, or will have a 2nd outbreak. We were told this many months ago - so why do “some” pick and choose which of those to focus on? Focusing on any of them on their own is short sighted at best. It is like celebrating a runner that ran the 12th mile of a marathon the fastest, regardless of where he finished. COVID is a long game... There are some States that SD will never catch, others that will catch SD... focusing on “new deaths” right now is transparent. In a month there will be a new focus. Bet on it. Remember, in some States there was nothing even the Governor could have done.
 

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Well, some people. You are being naive if you think that is why “some” are focusing on SD. Do you forget when the focus was AZ, TX, FL? I forget when it was IL. Truth is that most, if not all, States and Countries have had, are having, or will have a 2nd outbreak. We were told this many months ago - so why do “some” pick and choose which of those to focus on? Focusing on any of them on their own is short sighted at best. It is like celebrating a runner that ran the 12th mile of a marathon the fastest, regardless of where he finished. COVID is a long game... There are some States that SD will never catch, others that will catch SD... focusing on “new deaths” right now is transparent. In a month there will be a new focus. Bet on it. Remember, in some States there was nothing even the Governor could have done.
Since Day One, Cuomo has gotten the biggest free pass in the history of mankind. And nobody says shit. IN fact, this clueless numbnuts could even find himself with a position on Biden's staff. It would be laughable if it weren't so frightening
 

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First of all, the article was published in the Johns Hopkins student newspaper. https://www.jhunewsletter.com/ "Published by the Students of Johns Hopkins since 1896"

Second of all, the article was nothing more than than an interview with someone who works at JH as a lecturer, not an actual professor/researcher. The credibility of JH lends absolutely zero credibility to this person's claims.


Anyone wanting to see the Google cached version of the article can still do so (for now) here: https://webcache.googleusercontent....ths-due-to-covid-19+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
 
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https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm

Overall, an estimated 299,028 excess deaths occurred from late January through October 3, 2020, with 198,081 (66%) excess deaths attributed to COVID-19. The largest percentage increases were seen among adults aged 25–44 years and among Hispanic or Latino persons.
It was obvious to me that the Whitehouse position on Covid shifted once it became apparent that the main victims were Brown and Black people, at much higher rates than Whites. And to be honest my own concern about Covid went down then also.
 
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