The new Corona virus, should we worry?

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STrib editorial board:

'This isn't a drill': Spread of virus requires action, sacrifice
It's packing a hard punch in Minnesota, and the governor's moves are necessary.
 

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The death rates are all hightest in NYC, New Jersey still to this day. ND, SD, Nebraska, ect have nowhere near the death rates that the eastern states have due to Covid as of 11/18/2020.
The first to get it was always going to get hit the hardest. NY and NJ had community spread before they really knew what was going on. They definitely made mistakes but they were also put in a tough situation too. States like ND, SD and Mississippi had months to prepare and treatment is much better, yet those states are still on track to have death numbers not that far off of the NE states that got slammed early on.
 

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It's going to be hard to pass the dressing hiding underneath your bed. Pathetic
Ah yes, there’s still people that think a few small inconveniences and looking out for others means you’re scared. I love my parents and pregnant wife and prefer to miss out on a few things to help protect them.
 

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Ah yes, there’s still people that think a few small inconveniences and looking out for others means you’re scared. I love my parents and pregnant wife and prefer to miss out on a few things to help protect them.
What are you protecting your pregnant wife from?
 

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The first to get it was always going to get hit the hardest. NY and NJ had community spread before they really knew what was going on. They definitely made mistakes but they were also put in a tough situation too. States like ND, SD and Mississippi had months to prepare and treatment is much better, yet those states are still on track to have death numbers not that far off of the NE states that got slammed early on.
Still not convinced that NY and NJ were necessarily the first to have this come through. Way, way too many people here in the SW and SoCal that would swear to you that the Rona went through here last November and December. Exact same symptoms, doctors didn't know what it was but said it was NOT the flu, and said they were seeing dozens of people with it every day.

And when I got it here at my project office, in a group of roughly 12-14, the only ones who got it this time around were the only few that were NOT working with this crew last December, when virtually all of them got sick with the same symptoms back then. This time? Not a one of them got it
 

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MDH had not updated its 'beds in use' site as of 11:30 Thursday morning.

MN Covid-19 Update - Thurs, Nov 19

data reported by 4pm the previous day.

Positive Cases 246,227 +7,589. (positive test rate 13.8%)

Health-Care workers with positive cases 19,197 +428.

Cases no longer needing isolation 198,365 +4,496.

Active Cases 44,833 +3,017.

Deaths 3,029 +68.

Deaths at long-term care and assisted living 2,100 +50.

Total Hospitalized 14,171 +279. (current Beds in use not available)

Total in ICU 3,346 +39.

Total tests processed 3,534,745 +55,087.

Number of people tested 2,233,137 +28,725.
 

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What are you protecting your pregnant wife from?
From getting sick. A recent study shows that at her age, by being pregnant, she has a 3 times greater risk of being hospitalized with Covid than someone her age that isn’t pregnant with Covid. And it’s a high risk pregnancy to begin for multiple reasons even without Covid so she’s probably at a higher risk than the average pregnant woman. Her doctor strongly advised against traveling.

It sucks but it’s the right decision.
 

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JJ is a radical hack who is pissed off that his large Tgiving got shut down.

Whines like a little bitch.

Don't bother engaging with him. You bring down the IQ of the whole discussion.
 

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Still not convinced that NY and NJ were necessarily the first to have this come through. Way, way too many people here in the SW and SoCal that would swear to you that the Rona went through here last November and December. Exact same symptoms, doctors didn't know what it was but said it was NOT the flu, and said they were seeing dozens of people with it every day.

And when I got it here at my project office, in a group of roughly 12-14, the only ones who got it this time around were the only few that were NOT working with this crew last December, when virtually all of them got sick with the same symptoms back then. This time? Not a one of them got it
Yeah I’ve heard that before from people I know. The problem is the symptoms seem to be the only thing that’s similar. Kids were also getting very sick back then, but that’s rare now. Hospitalizations weren’t higher than normal, same with deaths. Long care facilities weren’t seeing outbreaks either. If it was around that far back, wouldn’t we have seen the effects from it? There certainly would have been other obvious red flags.
 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/world/asia/covid-cleaning.html

The Coronavirus Is Airborne Indoors. Why Are We Still Scrubbing Surfaces?
All over the world, workers are soaping, wiping and fumigating surfaces with an urgent sense of purpose: to fight the coronavirus. But scientists increasingly say that there is little to no evidence that contaminated surfaces can spread the virus. In crowded indoor spaces like airports, they say, the virus that is exhaled by infected people and that lingers in the air is a much greater threat.

Hand washing with soap and water for 20 seconds — or sanitizer in the absence of soap — is still encouraged to stop the virus’s spread. But scrubbing surfaces does little to mitigate the virus threat indoors, experts say, and health officials are being urged to focus instead on improving ventilation and filtration of indoor air.

“In my opinion, a lot of time, energy and money is being wasted on surface disinfection and, more importantly, diverting attention and resources away from preventing airborne transmission,” said Dr. Kevin P. Fennelly, a respiratory infection specialist with the United States National Institutes of Health.
Because people feel better if they can do "something" even if its nonsense.
 

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The first to get it was always going to get hit the hardest. NY and NJ had community spread before they really knew what was going on. They definitely made mistakes but they were also put in a tough situation too. States like ND, SD and Mississippi had months to prepare and treatment is much better, yet those states are still on track to have death numbers not that far off of the NE states that got slammed early on.
And Black people are twice as likely to end up in hospital, last I checked there were mot many Black people in the Dakota's.
 

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The 'evidence' you speak of is people saying they were at this bar or this restaurant, but there's no real proof that is where they actually caught it. They would have to be 100% quarantined, and the only place they went was a bar or restaurant. That's not happening.

I already mentioned how people are getting it and taking it home. Socializing has been happening at homes since this started, especially among young people. College kids are picking it up in the dorms and parties, and most only know they have it because of mandatory testing. People are also likely picking it up at work if the proper protocols are not in place, or people show up sick to work or gatherings, etc.

 

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Let's hear your plan.
First off, I am not elected to have "a plan". I have never pretended to have all the answers when it comes to COVID. With that said, I (and many others) have been saying for months that it didn't take a genious to figure out that our focus should be on LTCFs. Yet, what did we do? Since you asked, as a first step I would have instituted an extensive, frequent testing routine at these places. Residents, Workers, Janitors, etc. Daily tests if needed. Test the most vulnerable, test those who come in contact with the most vulnerable, and test the hell out of them. Isolate them when needed. Our sports teams seem to take this approach, yet we couldn't get it figured out for LTCFs? Or we can continue to spend our efforts blaming the spread of a contagious virus on people not wearing masks while eating or coming in from rural MN and then exposing everyone else?

IMO, the 2 biggest issues with how we have handled COVID are:
1. The focus on mask wear (important) has silenced the focus on social distancing (uber important)
2. We keep trying to do things to stop people from getting a virus that can't be stopped instead of tyring to protect those that need protecting.
 

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First off, I am not elected to have "a plan". I have never pretended to have all the answers when it comes to COVID. With that said, I (and many others) have been saying for months that it didn't take a genious to figure out that our focus should be on LTCFs. Yet, what did we do? Since you asked, as a first step I would have instituted an extensive, frequent testing routine at these places. Residents, Workers, Janitors, etc. Daily tests if needed. Test the most vulnerable, test those who come in contact with the most vulnerable, and test the hell out of them. Isolate them when needed. Our sports teams seem to take this approach, yet we couldn't get it figured out for LTCFs? Or we can continue to spend our efforts blaming the spread of a contagious virus on people not wearing masks while eating or coming in from rural MN and then exposing everyone else?

IMO, the 2 biggest issues with how we have handled COVID are:
1. The focus on mask wear (important) has silenced the focus on social distancing (uber important)
2. We keep trying to do things to stop people from getting a virus that can't be stopped instead of tyring to protect those that need protecting.
That's why gyms, bars and restaurants are being closed. Yet your fellow Trumpsters shriek and moan about it.
 

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That's why gyms, bars and restaurants are being closed. Yet your fellow Trumpsters shriek and moan about it.
Hmmm. I've been to gyms and many restaurants in the past few months and have never had an issue with social distancing at any of them. Of course, I leave before 10pm when apparently all hell breaks loose.
 

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Hmmm. I've been to gyms and many restaurants in the past few months and have never had an issue with social distancing at any of them. Of course, I leave before 10pm when apparently all hell breaks loose.
Too many don't when in those places, and social distancing doesn't work as well if you are near someone for a long period of time. Both distance and duration matter. Gathering anywhere indoors for an hour with someone who's infected isn't a great idea right now, even if technically 6 feet apart.
 

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Hmmm. I've been to gyms and many restaurants in the past few months and have never had an issue with social distancing at any of them. Of course, I leave before 10pm when apparently all hell breaks loose.
Spoofin has done all kinds of things and he doesn't have the virus so they must be fine🙄

I have done lots of things to, but I am fine not being able to do some of them for a while.
 

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Ok whatever you say...🙄🙄🙄
He's going to come back with some hyper-literal technical "gotcha" on airborne transmission of pathogens that is tangential to the fact that a vast majority of human to human covid19 transmission occurs when the person being infected inhales virons.

It doesn't really matter how long those virons were hanging around in the air, beyond academic/scientific curiosity. The infections are happening, and at an alarming rate.
 

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Ah yes, there’s still people that think a few small inconveniences and looking out for others means you’re scared. I love my parents and pregnant wife and prefer to miss out on a few things to help protect them.
They might not be here tomorrow. Remember that.
 

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MDH had not updated its 'beds in use' site as of 11:30 Thursday morning.

MN Covid-19 Update - Thurs, Nov 19

data reported by 4pm the previous day.

Positive Cases 246,227 +7,589. (positive test rate 13.8%)

Health-Care workers with positive cases 19,197 +428.

Cases no longer needing isolation 198,365 +4,496.

Active Cases 44,833 +3,017.

Deaths 3,029 +68.

Deaths at long-term care and assisted living 2,100 +50.

Total Hospitalized 14,171 +279. (current Beds in use not available)

Total in ICU 3,346 +39.

Total tests processed 3,534,745 +55,087.

Number of people tested 2,233,137 +28,725.
Thanks as always.

Does anyone know exactly what qualifies as a LTC death? Does it only include those that actually die at a LTC facility or are they including those that live there but die in a hospital?
 

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Thanks as always.

Does anyone know exactly what qualifies as a LTC death? Does it only include those that actually die at a LTC facility or are they including those that live there but die in a hospital?
I always assumed it was anyone who lived in one, even if they die in hospital, but I'm not sure.
 
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Per the governor, North Dakota enlisting the help of 60 Air Force nurses and 60 nurses from a contracting agency to help hospital staff with the hospitalization surges.
 
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