The new Corona virus, should we worry?

KillerGopherFan

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If only he had felt obligated to hang onto the pandemic response plan.
You mean that 60 page booklet that looked like a graduate school group project? 😂🤣

Compared to “part of the plan” (pictured) that Steve Scalise held up in House hearings.

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Hey - new beds in use numbers. Last comparison I have is Oct 8. On that day, there were 471 beds in use and 133 in ICU. so beds in use is up 10 since last Thursday, while ICU beds are up 1.

MN Covid-19 Update - Tues, Oct 13th

data reported by 4pm the previous day.

Positive Cases 114,574 +1,150. (positive test rate 5.9%)

Health-Care workers with positive cases 11,773 +119.

Cases no longer needing isolation 102,624 +1,248.

Active Cases 9,799 -120.

Deaths 2,151 +7.

Deaths at long-term care and assisted living 1,524 +2.

Patients currently hospitalized 481. Cumulative total 8,500 +79.

Patients currently in ICU 134. Cumulative total 2,328 +17.

Total tests processed 2,355,124 +19,444.

Number of people tested 1,600,861 +11,109.
Thanks for doing this SON, I look forward to this report each day since the actual MN CDC site avoids this type of clarity.
 

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In your mind....because the media has not told you that.
Our food production has not gone down meaningfully, maybe meat for a bit but not bulk staple crops.
 

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Our food production has not gone down meaningfully, maybe meat for a bit but not bulk staple crops.
Our ability to pack it, transport it and give it to places where poverty is bad is weakened by the lockdowns. I am a board member of such and organization. It's a sad, sad reality. The lockdowns here in the US have killed millions and saved almost no one. Even the WHO admits it now. Too late.
 

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Our ability to pack it, transport it and give it to places where poverty is bad is weakened by the lockdowns. I am a board member of such and organization. It's a sad, sad reality. The lockdowns here in the US have killed millions and saved almost no one. Even the WHO admits it now. Too late.
Why would you enable all those free loaders to be lazy, are you a communist? MAGA
 

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Why would you enable all those free loaders to be lazy, are you a communist? MAGA
I am a hand up guy, not a hand out guy. The people we supply food to have none of the advantages of Americans- they live in socialist/communist countries....your goal for our nation.

MAGA! A MAGA America is a generous, faith based nation, not a barren globalist nation that is washed up- as it will be under Democrat rule.
 

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Our ability to pack it, transport it and give it to places where poverty is bad is weakened by the lockdowns. I am a board member of such and organization. It's a sad, sad reality. The lockdowns here in the US have killed millions and saved almost no one. Even the WHO admits it now. Too late.
The lockdowns have killed millions? There's a legit discussion to be had about lockdowns and whether they are worth it, but when you say crap like this, it means not rational discussion can be had. You've gone very far off the deep end. Sad.
 

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Johnson and Johnson phase 3 vaccine trial self-paused yesterday over adverse event. AstraZeneca still on regulatory hold. These are adenoviral vector vaccines.

Pending outcome of the pause that leaves Moderna, Pfizer/BioNTech mRNA vaccines as frontrunners, these unfortunately require extraordinary cold storage conditions and two doses. Novavax nanoparticle protein also in phase 3. Efficacy data should start coming in shortly.

That leaves Sputnik V out of Moscow and a trio of candidates from our devious little friends in China as the other early options. Any volunteers?
Putin gave it to his kid, so maybe Sputnik V? Lol.
 

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Our food production has not gone down meaningfully, maybe meat for a bit but not bulk staple crops.
Some reports claim that about 1/4 of China's food crop has failed due to their massive floods, with crops underwater. I don't think the US grows much rice, but we may need to export more soy beans to China this year than normal.

Not sure what the food situation is in other countries. I'm betting most countries that shut down, did not shut down agriculture operations since that work is outdoors with minimal Covid threat. Nevertheless, some countries might have food supply-chain issues.
 

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Some reports claim that about 1/4 of China's food crop has failed due to their massive floods, with crops underwater. I don't think the US grows much rice, but we may need to export more soy beans to China this year than normal.

Not sure what the food situation is in other countries. I'm betting most countries that shut down, did not shut down agriculture operations since that work is outdoors with minimal Covid threat. Nevertheless, some countries might have food supply-chain issues.
The food situation in other parts of the world is DIRE. People are dying of starvation at many times the normal rate. But we here in America, we are fine, our woke leftists are locked up tight with their lap tops and video games, working from home and patting themselves on the back for their own heroism.
 

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Sorry, but I don't support sharia law...
I hate sharia but I love the right to religion of all types. In America you have it. In most countries of the world....not so much.
 

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The lockdowns have killed millions? There's a legit discussion to be had about lockdowns and whether they are worth it, but when you say crap like this, it means not rational discussion can be had. You've gone very far off the deep end. Sad.
Actually, there are legitimate scientific studies that, while they admit that a US lockdown was necessary through (maybe) June (at least in states with big cities), using readily available statistics and analyzing not economic loss but only focusing on number of years of expected life lost, they determined that from July forward, the US alone was losing more life by continued lockdowns than it was losing to Coronavirus.

I posted these results at the time. The study was done by smart economists on valid data.

By now, most of those lockdowns have been lifted so that it's not quite as bad (I think the study was circa August). The remaining bad effects might be mostly on those who are still unemployed or still forbidden from re-opening their small businesses (increases in suicides plus abuse of alchohol and drugs).

So there is a rational discussion to be had, and nobody that is complaining about the deleterious effects of shutdowns has gone off the deep end.
 

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Our ability to pack it, transport it and give it to places where poverty is bad is weakened by the lockdowns. I am a board member of such and organization. It's a sad, sad reality. The lockdowns here in the US have killed millions and saved almost no one. Even the WHO admits it now. Too late.
FWIW - in my county in SW MN, local non-profits are sponsoring a monthly food distribution pgm through 2nd Harvest Heartland. It is getting a lot of responses. They go through all their allotted food every month.
 

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Masks don't work. They give people a false sense of security and they touch their face because masks are uncomfortable. The one positive about masks is that they are allowing people to get out and get infected so that we can get through this thing with herd immunity. The idea that we could wait this thing out with a one size fits all lock down strategy was a terrible one that only delayed the inevitable. Wisconsin is going to get hit until they reach some level of herd immunity and then it will subside. Minnesota will be the same. In a year we will look back at the various strategies and the lockdown states will be worse or the same as the states who did not lock down and in far worse economic shape.

We made a bad event far worse. It was always a simple strategy - isolate the elderly and let the rest get it and develop immunity. Some said it in March.....
 

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Masks don't work. They give people a false sense of security and they touch their face because masks are uncomfortable. The one positive about masks is that they are allowing people to get out and get infected so that we can get through this thing with herd immunity. The idea that we could wait this thing out with a one size fits all lock down strategy was a terrible one that only delayed the inevitable. Wisconsin is going to get hit until they reach some level of herd immunity and then it will subside. Minnesota will be the same. In a year we will look back at the various strategies and the lockdown states will be worse or the same as the states who did not lock down and in far worse economic shape.

We made a bad event far worse. It was always a simple strategy - isolate the elderly and let the rest get it and develop immunity. Some said it in March.....
Howie?
Jam Jam?
Stroker?
Wallace?
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Dont forget about the lag in deaths
I think Ethical Skeptic is correct here. There will be excess deaths this year....Covid (around 100k or so truly have died of it) + a rough flu season beyond normal + people not getting normal health care due to fear and lockdowns + suicides + drug overdoses + homicides. Next year there will be a correction assuming we don't continue the foolishness of lockdowns. The inventory of old people who are vulnerable will be far less next year and heart attacks, etc will be less.
 

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Bleep. Bleep. Bleep. Bleep.

The State Dept of Health completed revised its reporting data page. They are now showing separate data for PCR tests and Antigen tests - but the numbers are combined in some categories. in other categories, they are listed separately. total cluster-bleep for making comparisons.

I am going with PCR numbers only where available. even the MDH lists the antigen test results as "probable."

MN Covid-19 Update - Weds, Oct 14

data reported by 4pm the previous day.

Positive Cases 115,763 +1,214. (10% positive test rate - if I am reading the data correctly)

Health-Care workers with positive tests 11,912 +139.

Cases no longer needing isolation 103,830 +1,246.

Active Cases 9,759 -40.

Deaths 2,174 +23.

Deaths at long-term care and assisted living 1,535 +11.

Patients currently hospitalized 487 +6. Cumulative total 8,585 +85.

Patients currently in ICU 134 (same). Cumulative total 2,346 +18.

Total Tests 2,367,344 +12,197.

Number of people tested 1,613,231 +12,370* (combines PCR and Antigen testing)
 

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I've picked out the date of GWG's post for reference:

The Covid game is a long game. The winners are going to be known a year from now when nobody cares. The winners will likely be those who suffered the least economic damage while this disease went through their population. In the end most places will end up with similar deaths per million, except those who did horribly in managing it and added to their problem- likely the blue states that locked down. The virus is going to do what it is going to do.
 

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People don't follow it and wear shit masks. No excuse for not wearing a N95 or KN95 plus they are easier to breathe in. I have worn a cloth mask ONE time, I hate those things they suck, the masks I wear is way more comfortable and easier to breathe in.

Where I am working mask use is less than 20%. Its funny there was a meeting, 25-30 people close together, maybe 4 have masks and they say you don't have to wear them unless your less than 6ft and the whole room is sitting without masks all less than 6ft. I just hope its antimaskers who die and have long term effects.

I wear mine because I want my kids to keep going to school, my wifes business to stay open and me to be able to go to work.
 

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People don't follow it and wear shit masks. No excuse for not wearing a N95 or KN95 plus they are easier to breathe in. I have worn a cloth mask ONE time, I hate those things they suck, the masks I wear is way more comfortable and easier to breathe in.

Where I am working mask use is less than 20%. Its funny there was a meeting, 25-30 people close together, maybe 4 have masks and they say you don't have to wear them unless your less than 6ft and the whole room is sitting without masks all less than 6ft. I just hope its antimaskers who die and have long term effects.

I wear mine because I want my kids to keep going to school, my wifes business to stay open and me to be able to go to work.
I'll keep you updated on how I do
 
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