The new Corona virus, should we worry?

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Correct. Hospitalizations, deaths, then hospitalizations again, then hospital capacity, then cases, then positivity rate, now percentage of cases with unknown origin. Can't wait to see what's next. Nearly all cases are of unknown origin. Zero chance that 38% is accurate. Only difference is now they have a statistic that they can completely make up to fit their desired numbers, since the other metrics didn't cooperate.
What is even better is that Walz also set the criteria for K-12 schools in the State. For that he picked # of cases per 1,000 people in the County. So, why did he pick # of cases per 1,000 for schools and # of cases they can't trace to the source for extending his executive power? Why not the same measurement? Both are terrible measurements, so that isn't it. Could it be that one of them is completely in his control whereas the other isn't? Nah, he is too straight of a shooter for that - right?
 

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So it's due to small sample size, eh? Here are the 10 smallest states. Guess which two have the most cases per capita? Maybe we should see what Vermont and Maine are doing.


#USA
State
Total
Cases
New
Cases
Total
Deaths
New
Deaths
Total
Recovered
Active
Cases
Tot Cases/
1M pop
Deaths/
1M pop
Total
Tests
Tests/
1M pop
PopulationSourceProjections
USA Total7,827,394+50,531217,615+8345,015,3732,594,40623,648657115,189,085348,000
1Wyoming7,092+19354+15,6031,43512,25493178,824308,978578,759[1] [2][projections]
2Vermont1,838+11581,6381422,94693169,402271,482623,989[1][projections]
3District Of Columbia15,765+68634+212,4312,70022,338898416,816590,601705,749[1][projections]
4Alaska9,005+12760+15,0483,89712,31082491,171671,416731,545[1][projections]
5North Dakota25,384+527310+621,2423,83233,310407253,407332,528762,062[1] [2][projections]
6South Dakota26,441+535272+1421,4964,67329,888307211,291238,839884,659[1][projections]
7Delaware21,682+132651+211,1469,88522,266669301,502309,625973,764[1][projections]
8Rhode Island26,045+2691,127+12,40222,51624,5861,064859,429811,2711,059,361[1] [2][projections]
9Montana16,677+614197+410,6565,82415,604184381,665357,1041,068,778[1] [2] [3] [4][projections]
10Maine5,639+351424,9005974,195106485,662361,2991,344,212[1] [2][projections]

Sturgis?
 

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So it's due to small sample size, eh? Here are the 10 smallest states. Guess which two have the most cases per capita? Maybe we should see what Vermont and Maine are doing.


#USA
State
Total
Cases
New
Cases
Total
Deaths
New
Deaths
Total
Recovered
Active
Cases
Tot Cases/
1M pop
Deaths/
1M pop
Total
Tests
Tests/
1M pop
PopulationSourceProjections
USA Total7,827,394+50,531217,615+8345,015,3732,594,40623,648657115,189,085348,000
1Wyoming7,092+19354+15,6031,43512,25493178,824308,978578,759[1] [2][projections]
2Vermont1,838+11581,6381422,94693169,402271,482623,989[1][projections]
3District Of Columbia15,765+68634+212,4312,70022,338898416,816590,601705,749[1][projections]
4Alaska9,005+12760+15,0483,89712,31082491,171671,416731,545[1][projections]
5North Dakota25,384+527310+621,2423,83233,310407253,407332,528762,062[1] [2][projections]
6South Dakota26,441+535272+1421,4964,67329,888307211,291238,839884,659[1][projections]
7Delaware21,682+132651+211,1469,88522,266669301,502309,625973,764[1][projections]
8Rhode Island26,045+2691,127+12,40222,51624,5861,064859,429811,2711,059,361[1] [2][projections]
9Montana16,677+614197+410,6565,82415,604184381,665357,1041,068,778[1] [2] [3] [4][projections]
10Maine5,639+351424,9005974,195106485,662361,2991,344,212[1] [2][projections]

The Recovered-to-Death ratio is staggering. Amazing how low that is compared to what the "experts" were telling us would happen when they first shut down our economy and Walz claimed his dictatorship.
 

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Hands slapped? They are no longer concealing the ICU and hospiitalized numbers. The numbers are found on a separate website from the MDH COVID page, are not in easily accessible table form, and only go back to 8/1 (being cynical I can’t help but wonder if the 08/01 was chosen to help avoid embarrassing crosschecks with the MN modeling on peak hospitalizations in July) and still isn’t comprehensive enough for my taste but hey, gotta start somewhere.



A revised dashboard with a daily count of COVID-19 hospitalizations in Minnesota was unveiled Thursday to inform hospital leaders about bed availability and the public about the spread of the coronavirus behind the pandemic.

The dashboard showed on Thursday that 139 patients with COVID-19 were in intensive care units in Minnesota hospitals and another 939 patients with non-COVID medical problems were in ICU beds in the state. Another 318 patients with COVID-19 are in non-ICU beds in Minnesota hospitals and 6,639 patients are admitted to such beds for other medical needs.

Hospital leaders said they were blindsided last month when the Minnesota Department of Health removed similar data from its COVID-19 situation page, which they used to assess local beds and staffing needs. They welcomed the new dashboard information.

“It is important that we have a line of sight into what is occurring throughout the state, regionally and on a daily basis from these metrics,” said Dr. Rahul Koranne of the Minnesota Hospital Association.

The updated dashboard also has revised Minnesota’s available ICU bed capacity, indicating that the state has 1,476 beds immediately available and another 408 that could be readied in 72 hours. That means that 73% of the state’s immediately available ICU beds are in use. On Wednesday, the dashboard showed only 1,222 ICU beds immediately available, but another 936 in reserve.

As part of the new dashboard, the state also started listing the number of general medical beds available, a total of 9,947. That process resulted in a more precise accounting of actual ICU beds vs. general medical beds that could be converted in emergencies, said Kris Ehresmann, state infectious disease director.

Hospitalizations are a key metric for the severity of the pandemic, because infection numbers don’t differentiate between mild or severe illnesses and can be influenced by changes in the number of tests performed.

The Health Department switched last month from reporting the total number of Minnesotans hospitalized with COVID-19 in any state on its situation page to only the number of new admissions each day.

Ehresmann said neither number is good for local hospital leaders to use in planning, because they included Minnesotans admitted to hospitals in any state.

She added that the department always planned to add new data to the state’s separate pandemic dashboard, indicating how many hospital beds in Minnesota were filled with COVID and non-COVID patients.

In the delay before Thursday’s reveal of the new data, the Health Department faced criticism from the public, hospital leaders and a group of Republican lawmakers earlier this week who urged that the old data be restored.

Ehresmann said the changes align two state COVID-19 tracking websites around separate goals. The situation page is focused on the epidemiological tracking of the infectious disease among Minnesotans. The dashboard assesses the effectiveness of Minnesota’s response to the pandemic.

The new dashboard is more reliable for assessing hospital capacity because it is based on hospital reports rather than state health care workers checking the status of Minnesotans hospitalized for COVID-19, said Pinar Karaca-Mandic, a researcher at the Carlson School of Management at the University of Minnesota. She maintains a website tracking COVID-19 hospitalizations.



 
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Hands slapped? They are no longer concealing the ICU and hospiitalized numbers. The numbers are found on a separate website from the MDH COVID page, are not in easily accessible table form, and only go back to 8/1 (being cynical I can’t help but wonder if the 08/01 was chosen to help avoid embarrassing crosschecks with the MN modeling on peak hospitalizations in July) and still isn’t comprehensive enough for my taste but hey, gotta start somewhere.



A revised dashboard with a daily count of COVID-19 hospitalizations in Minnesota was unveiled Thursday to inform hospital leaders about bed availability and the public about the spread of the coronavirus behind the pandemic.

The dashboard showed on Thursday that 139 patients with COVID-19 were in intensive care units in Minnesota hospitals and another 939 patients with non-COVID medical problems were in ICU beds in the state. Another 318 patients with COVID-19 are in non-ICU beds in Minnesota hospitals and 6,639 patients are admitted to such beds for other medical needs.

Hospital leaders said they were blindsided last month when the Minnesota Department of Health removed similar data from its COVID-19 situation page, which they used to assess local beds and staffing needs. They welcomed the new dashboard information.

“It is important that we have a line of sight into what is occurring throughout the state, regionally and on a daily basis from these metrics,” said Dr. Rahul Koranne of the Minnesota Hospital Association.

The updated dashboard also has revised Minnesota’s available ICU bed capacity, indicating that the state has 1,476 beds immediately available and another 408 that could be readied in 72 hours. That means that 73% of the state’s immediately available ICU beds are in use. On Wednesday, the dashboard showed only 1,222 ICU beds immediately available, but another 936 in reserve.

As part of the new dashboard, the state also started listing the number of general medical beds available, a total of 9,947. That process resulted in a more precise accounting of actual ICU beds vs. general medical beds that could be converted in emergencies, said Kris Ehresmann, state infectious disease director.

Hospitalizations are a key metric for the severity of the pandemic, because infection numbers don’t differentiate between mild or severe illnesses and can be influenced by changes in the number of tests performed.

The Health Department switched last month from reporting the total number of Minnesotans hospitalized with COVID-19 in any state on its situation page to only the number of new admissions each day.

Ehresmann said neither number is good for local hospital leaders to use in planning, because they included Minnesotans admitted to hospitals in any state.

She added that the department always planned to add new data to the state’s separate pandemic dashboard, indicating how many hospital beds in Minnesota were filled with COVID and non-COVID patients.

In the delay before Thursday’s reveal of the new data, the Health Department faced criticism from the public, hospital leaders and a group of Republican lawmakers earlier this week who urged that the old data be restored.

Ehresmann said the changes align two state COVID-19 tracking websites around separate goals. The situation page is focused on the epidemiological tracking of the infectious disease among Minnesotans. The dashboard assesses the effectiveness of Minnesota’s response to the pandemic.

The new dashboard is more reliable for assessing hospital capacity because it is based on hospital reports rather than state health care workers checking the status of Minnesotans hospitalized for COVID-19, said Pinar Karaca-Mandic, a researcher at the Carlson School of Management at the University of Minnesota. She maintains a website tracking COVID-19 hospitalizations.



Thanks for posting that. It is good that the information is at least available. While these are patients WITH Covid, I doubt that all of them are there strictly FOR Covid. At any rate these are not alarming rates and the overall rate of hospitalization seems to be pretty flat for Covid despite the huge number of tests uncovering so many infections. Lot's of infections - few deaths.
 

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I found the bolded interesting, regarding admissions. “Minnesotan admissions“ do not necessarily tightly correlate with MN bed usage. Nice to have a fuller picture again, and even more mysterious why MDH made their curious decision.



Hospitalizations are a key metric for the severity of the pandemic, because infection numbers don’t differentiate between mild or severe illnesses and can be influenced by changes in the number of tests performed.

The Health Department switched last month from reporting the total number of Minnesotans hospitalized with COVID-19 in any state on its situation page to only the number of new admissions each day.

Ehresmann said neither number is good for local hospital leaders to use in planning, because they included Minnesotans admitted to hospitals in any state.

She added that the department always planned to add new data to the state’s separate pandemic dashboard, indicating how many hospital beds in Minnesota were filled with COVID and non-COVID patients.

In the delay before Thursday’s reveal of the new data, the Health Department faced criticism from the public, hospital leaders and a group of Republican lawmakers earlier this week who urged that the old data be restored.
 

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The # of new cases today is the highest since August 14th. 7-day average is the highest since August 19th. Not great.

 

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Antifa, we turn our lonely eyes to you...to reign in this autocratic demogorgon...wait, what?
You spoke too soon. Apparently some inbred cousins to the Antifa, called the Wolverine Watchmen, were already on task. Don't you just hate it when your bad-joke predictions come true?
 
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What are the cycle thresholds of each kind of test? The 40 cycle recommendation (but no standard) is extreme and picks up non-threatening particles. And the fact there is no standard cycle threshold is scandalous
Interesting data.

So, Trump is wondering, does that mean he has to get his PCR test cycles (needed to get to a positive result) down below 24, or will 33 do, before he can debate Biden in person. Put that little plexiglass shield between them (to keep them from coming to blows, among other things) and we're good to go for the next in-person debate, right?
 

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Stupid if true. You would think there’d be some kind of expiration on the positive case.
That's just the problem. Most people are going to ignore the request (requirement?) to get tested again in a couple weeks, and there's no bean counters assigned to the task of timing-out existing cases. Even if they do get tested again, I'm not sure there are bean counters in every state to mark that case as healed if the patient does come back negative in the second test. The physicians' goal is to try to heal the patient. Nobody told them they had to be bean counters too.
 

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I found the bolded interesting, regarding admissions. “Minnesotan admissions“ do not necessarily tightly correlate with MN bed usage. Nice to have a fuller picture again, and even more mysterious why MDH made their curious decision.



Hospitalizations are a key metric for the severity of the pandemic, because infection numbers don’t differentiate between mild or severe illnesses and can be influenced by changes in the number of tests performed.

The Health Department switched last month from reporting the total number of Minnesotans hospitalized with COVID-19 in any state on its situation page to only the number of new admissions each day.

Ehresmann said neither number is good for local hospital leaders to use in planning, because they included Minnesotans admitted to hospitals in any state.

She added that the department always planned to add new data to the state’s separate pandemic dashboard, indicating how many hospital beds in Minnesota were filled with COVID and non-COVID patients.

In the delay before Thursday’s reveal of the new data, the Health Department faced criticism from the public, hospital leaders and a group of Republican lawmakers earlier this week who urged that the old data be restored.
> Ehresmann said neither number is good for local hospital leaders to use in planning, because they included Minnesotans admitted to hospitals in any state.

Yeah, so they won't give us the data we need, because that data might be highly skewed by the one guy that was admitted to the hospital to have his tonsils out, but upon admission was tested positive for Covid (but asymptomatic). If we can't have completely perfect statistics, they MN would prefer no statistic at all. Since when has perfection even been a concept remotely in play relative to Covid statistics?
 
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You can thank Clinton and Obama/Biden for offshoring most of our medical supplies production to China.

Then too, while China was not telling us about human-to-human transmission, it was also busy buying up wholesale much of the world's supply of non-woven cloth, which is needed to make face masks.
 

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As a member of the American Society for Microbiology, Osterholm has served on the Committee on Biomedical Research of the Public and Scientific Affairs Board, the Task Force on Biological Weapons, and the Task Force on Antibiotic Resistance. He is a frequent consultant to the World Health Organization, the NIH, the Food and Drug Administration, the Department of Defense, and the CDC. He is a fellow of the American College of Epidemiology and the IDSA.[6]

Osterholm has received honorary doctorates from Luther College[19] and Des Moines University,[20] and is a member of the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences.[6] His other honors are the Pumphandle Award from the Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists; the Charles C. Shepard Science Award from the CDC; the Harvey W. Wiley Medal from the Food and Drug Administration; the Squibb Award from the Infectious Diseases Society of America; Distinguished University Teaching Professor, Environmental Health Sciences, School of Public Health, University of Minnesota; and the Wade Hampton Frost Leadership Award, American Public Health Association. He also has been the recipient of six major research awards from the National Institutes of Health and the CDC.[6]


Yeah, he's a fruitcake. but some guy on an internet message board is an expert. sure.
Osterholm just wants to keep his name in the limelight, hoping for high-level job in the Biden administration if he wins. He'll keep spouting BS every month or so, just to get the media attention, and maybe sell a few more books. OK, so he got it right that there would be a pandemic someday. I'm not sure I want to buy his book just to learn that, as it's old news now. He hasn't made any useful statement in about 6 months.
 

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Not flat enough for you, lockdown lovers?
Apparently Cuomo and DeBlasio are clairvoyant, and they can feel a huge spike coming on soon.

Not only that, but they also apparently heard straight from Moses that there's going to be a huge spike among NYC Jews, since they're taking extra-special efforts to lockdown the Jews. See ...

 

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I found the bolded interesting, regarding admissions. “Minnesotan admissions“ do not necessarily tightly correlate with MN bed usage. Nice to have a fuller picture again, and even more mysterious why MDH made their curious decision.



Hospitalizations are a key metric for the severity of the pandemic, because infection numbers don’t differentiate between mild or severe illnesses and can be influenced by changes in the number of tests performed.

The Health Department switched last month from reporting the total number of Minnesotans hospitalized with COVID-19 in any state on its situation page to only the number of new admissions each day.

Ehresmann said neither number is good for local hospital leaders to use in planning, because they included Minnesotans admitted to hospitals in any state.

She added that the department always planned to add new data to the state’s separate pandemic dashboard, indicating how many hospital beds in Minnesota were filled with COVID and non-COVID patients.

In the delay before Thursday’s reveal of the new data, the Health Department faced criticism from the public, hospital leaders and a group of Republican lawmakers earlier this week who urged that the old data be restored.
They "always intended to" - yet never mentioned it once over the many times they were asked. IALTO.
 

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The more people get it, the faster it mutates.

If it mutates enough, immunity from an earlier genome will no longer prevent infection. But probably still provide benefit.
 

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You are about 1-month early on this take. Come back in November.
Anyone who disputes the politicization of this, just watch how fast the story changes in November if Sleepy Joe wins; the data will suddenly be interpreted as rainbows and unicorns, "things are really trending positively!", we need to get things opened back up and get the economy rolling!!!
 

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Anyone who disputes the politicization of this, just watch how fast the story changes in November if Sleepy Joe wins; the data will suddenly be interpreted as rainbows and unicorns, "things are really trending positively!", we need to get things opened back up and get the economy rolling!!!
IDK, Libs love the power and control and I can see a scenario where we have increased lockdowns and mask mandates. Damn the economy and mental health issues, we have total control! Look what's going on in Australia- with months long lockdowns and incarcerations for the "non compliant".
 

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Anyone who disputes the politicization of this, just watch how fast the story changes in November if Sleepy Joe wins; the data will suddenly be interpreted as rainbows and unicorns, "things are really trending positively!", we need to get things opened back up and get the economy rolling!!!
You guys just love to pull shit out of your asses.

If anything the shutdowns helped Trump, to say that was politicizing it against Trump is false, in the depths even I had thoughts of voting for Trump to get rid of the shutdowns.
 

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They "always intended to" - yet never mentioned it once over the many times they were asked. IALTO.
Yeah, pretty baldfaced lie and for what. You don’t need Rebekah to throw together a spreadsheet and some graphs. The state cannot help but embarrass itself.
 

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The US is one of the most obese nations in the world. Nearly 40% are obese. The politicized CDC and our horrid media has been poor in communicating this message, probably because it would soften criticism of Trump. No fair minded person can blame Trump for the fact that America is obese and therefore our population may be subject to a much greater death rate and hospitalization rate than other nations that are far less obese (most nations). See below this information about the statistical dangers of obesity and covid 19:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has expanded its coronavirus risk warning to include people who are considered overweight, meaning over 70% of U.S. adults may be at an increased risk for severe illness related to COVID-19.

According to CDC statistics, over 71% of Americans aged 20 and older are considered overweight or obese. Obesity is defined as having a body mass index of between 30 and 40, with severe obesity being diagnosed when BMI is 40 or above. Being overweight, however, is classified as having a BMI greater than 25 but less than 30. The health agency now says that if you fall into that category, it “might increase your risk of severe illness from COVID-19.”

Other risk factors that might increase the risk of severe illness include asthma, cerebrovascular disease, cystic fibrosis, hypertension, immunocompromised state, neurologic conditions, liver disease, pregnancy, pulmonary fibrosis, thalassemia and Type 1 diabetes.

The CDC’s update follows numerous studies that have found that obesity may increase the risk of COVID-19-related death, including one that found the increase to be as much as 50%. The same University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill study found that those with a BMI of over 30 are more likely to be hospitalized or admitted to the ICU due to the virus. According to the research, obesity is over tied to other underlying risk factors for novel coronavirus identified by the CDC such as heart disease, Type 2 diabetes, chronic kidney, liver disease and hypertension.

Further, individuals who have obesity can have metabolic changes that result in inflammation, issues with insulin, and the immune system which can hamper the body’s ability to fight off COVID-19. The researchers suggested preventative action among the obese population that was not unlike the steps listed by the CDC.

“Given the significant threat COVID-19 represents to individuals with obesity, healthy food policies can play a supportive – and especially important role in the mitigation of COVID-19 mortality and morbidity,” Barry Popkin, Ph.D., professor of nutrition at the UNC Gillings School of Global Public Health, said in a news release at the time.

 

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You guys just love to pull shit out of your asses.

If anything the shutdowns helped Trump, to say that was politicizing it against Trump is false, in the depths even I had thoughts of voting for Trump to get rid of the shutdowns.
The shutdowns have been brutal for Trump. Look what the left has been doing (you included), blaming Trump for the current state of the economy. They have tried to do this in both debates and the media talks about it daily. Without the Covid lockdowns he would be winning with ease. There is zero doubt that the lock downs are politically motivated.

Somewhere in your depths is a smarter Wally! There is hope.
 

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The shutdowns have been brutal for Trump. Look what the left has been doing (you included), blaming Trump for the current state of the economy. They have tried to do this in both debates and the media talks about it daily. Without the Covid lockdowns he would be winning with ease. There is zero doubt that the lock downs are politically motivated.

Somewhere in your depths is a smarter Wally! There is hope.
You guy blew a golden opportunity to win in a landslide, had he handled Covid like a pro instead of the jackass he is. Own it.
 
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