The new Corona virus, should we worry?

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Stay home. Forever. Crawl under your bed...in a mask.
So 6 of the 7 were at a nursing home.

I thought masks were supposed to prevent this?
The way the two of you react to this is despicable. You and the millions of others are complicit in doing anything to own libs and costing people their lives. Really funny, isn't it?
 

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Trump takes credit for Big Ten football, meanwhile completely ignoring that daily rapid testing makes it possible:
God Bless America, and God Bless Donald J Trump!!!

At least he stepped in to do something. Kudos to him for making an effort!! Great news!!!
 

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Weddings have been going on across the country all summer.

Of course the media will cherry pick one or two that caused issues. And you'll continue to eat it up.

As far as mask go, you must have missed all of the politicians and media members who have said, 'just wear a mask and we'll stop the spread in 4-8 weeks'.
Yup. Was at one 3 weeks ago. No one having any issues.
 

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The way the two of you react to this is despicable. You and the millions of others are complicit in doing anything to own libs and costing people their lives. Really funny, isn't it?
I thought it was Trumps fault?. Now beeg and weather dude are responsible?
 

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Trump takes credit for Big Ten football, meanwhile completely ignoring that daily rapid testing makes it possible:

Trump has been putting pressure on the Big Ten since they decided not to play. There’s been no bigger authority than President Trump pressuring the Big Ten. To suggest that his support for playing had no part in the change is just emotional denial. And rapid testing is the excuse lefties need to get over it.

The second biggest reason for changing the playing decision is the Big XII, SEC, and ACC.
 

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Trump has been putting pressure on the Big Ten since they decided not to play. There’s been no bigger authority than President Trump pressuring the Big Ten. To suggest that his support for playing had no part in the change is just emotional denial. And rapid testing is the excuse lefties need to get over it.

The second biggest reason for changing the playing decision is the Big XII, SEC, and ACC.






I can't imagine Virginia Tech having to postpone two separate games was a big driver in the Big Ten's decision to play.

I know you guys are dedicated to the proposition that testing doesn't matter, but it's benefits to teams or businesses are obvious.
 

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I can't imagine Virginia Tech having to postpone two separate games was a big driver in the Big Ten's decision to play.

I know you guys are dedicated to the proposition that testing doesn't matter, but it's benefits to teams or businesses are obvious.
It’s a giant money grab no more no less. Will be interesting to see if the 3 programs cut last week will also be reinstated as the money will start flowing again.
 

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The way the two of you react to this is despicable. You and the millions of others are complicit in doing anything to own libs and costing people their lives. Really funny, isn't it?
To own libs? What does that even mean?

I should be worked up over nursing home deaths, the place where people go to live out their last few months of their lives?

People are responsible for taking care of themselves and their loved ones. No one has to go out out anywhere if they don't want to, and people should not be hanging out with high risk individuals if they feel they have been exposed.

These are personal choices. The government is not there to save people from themselves.
 

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They finally realized that spending a few million on testing in order to make a few hundred million was a wise investment. This is all done under the guise of being for the student athlete best interest. Kids can’t sit in class to listen to a teacher lecture them for an hour but 85 kids plus about 50 other coaches can get together to run around. I love football and am very happy it’s back but the hypocrisy of the big ten and universities is so obvious.
 

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Trump takes credit for Big Ten football, meanwhile completely ignoring that daily rapid testing makes it possible:

We need daily rapid testing in the nursing homes and college sports (maybe high school sports too), and weekly rapid testing for everybody else
 

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I can't imagine Virginia Tech having to postpone two separate games was a big driver in the Big Ten's decision to play.

I know you guys are dedicated to the proposition that testing doesn't matter, but it's benefits to teams or businesses are obvious.
I didn’t say testing wasn’t a factor. I said Trump was the main factor and 3 other conferences playing was a second factor. You implied that Trump wasn’t factor by mocking his taking credit.

Testing is good. But it also gives the Big Ten an excuse to say circumstances have changed rather than admitting that Trump had anything to do with it.
 

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To own libs? What does that even mean?

I should be worked up over nursing home deaths, the place where people go to live out their last few months of their lives?

People are responsible for taking care of themselves and their loved ones. No one has to go out out anywhere if they don't want to, and people should not be hanging out with high risk individuals if they feel they have been exposed.

These are personal choices. The government is not there to save people from themselves.
Tone deaf.
 

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MN Covid-19 Update - Weds, Sept 16

data reported by 4pm the previous day.

Positive Cases 85,813 +513. (5.2% positive test rate)

Health-Care workers with positive cases 9,303 +38.

Cases no longer needing isolation 79,583 +630.

Active Cases 4,297 -174.

Deaths 1,933 +7.

Deaths at long-term care and assisted Living 1,402 +2.

Patients currently Hospitalized 244 +6.

Patients currently In ICU 136 +5.

Total Tests processed 1,743,611 +9,906.

Number of people tested 1,252,392 +4,525.
 

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I didn’t say testing wasn’t a factor. I said Trump was the main factor and 3 other conferences playing was a second factor. You implied that Trump wasn’t factor by mocking his taking credit.

Testing is good. But it also gives the Big Ten an excuse to say circumstances have changed rather than admitting that Trump had anything to do with it.
 

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Trump has been putting pressure on the Big Ten since they decided not to play. There’s been no bigger authority than President Trump pressuring the Big Ten. To suggest that his support for playing had no part in the change is just emotional denial. And rapid testing is the excuse lefties need to get over it.

The second biggest reason for changing the playing decision is the Big XII, SEC, and ACC.
How exactly does Trump "pressure" the B1G to play?
I'd like to think the B1G realized from the multiple sports doing it successfully that it can be done.
More likely, they just decided they couldn't do w/o the $.
I give DT 0.0% of the credit for the B1G deciding to play again. As it should be.
 

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The way the two of you react to this is despicable. You and the millions of others are complicit in doing anything to own libs and costing people their lives. Really funny, isn't it?
What are you suggesting. Total lock-down? No one leave their house? Until when?
 

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I can't imagine Virginia Tech having to postpone two separate games was a big driver in the Big Ten's decision to play.

I know you guys are dedicated to the proposition that testing doesn't matter, but it's benefits to teams or businesses are obvious.
Who thinks testing doesn't matter? I don't think I have ever seen someone argue to stop testing.
 

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The way the two of you react to this is despicable. You and the millions of others are complicit in doing anything to own libs and costing people their lives. Really funny, isn't it?
The lock downs are causing MUCH more damage than covid at this point. Studies have been run in terms of years of human life lost due to covid versus secondary effects cause by crazy lockdowns show as much as 10 times more loss of life in terms of years lost than covid is causing. A 25 year old that loses hope and commits suicide versus and 85 year old who was going to die in months anyway.
You have trouble with thinking about issues that go beyond one level. You and people like you do a lot of damage in the world. No- it's not funny, it's tragic what the left does.
 

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The lock downs are causing MUCH more damage than covid at this point. Studies have been run in terms of years of human life lost due to covid versus secondary effects cause by crazy lockdowns show as much as 10 times more loss of life in terms of years lost than covid is causing. A 25 year old that loses hope and commits suicide versus and 85 year old who was going to die in months anyway.
You have trouble with thinking about issues that go beyond one level. You and people like you do a lot of damage in the world. No- it's not funny, it's tragic what the left does.
Dems attitude will change after November 3rd
 

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What are you suggesting. Total lock-down? No one leave their house? Until when?
Until they say so. We are just meanies that should obey them and pay for the damage they do.
 

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Dems attitude will change after November 3rd
Only if they win. They will continue their tantrum for 4 more years otherwise. It is who they are. They plan to ruin this country one way or another.

Most Dems are moderates but they are sissies and they are controlled by the 5-10% hard left. They are scared to death of being verbally punished by their leftist minders.
 

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Only if they win. They will continue their tantrum for 4 more years otherwise. It is who they are. They plan to ruin this country one way or another.
They will continue to tantrum. No doubt. However, i would be surprised if they continue to be pro lockdown after the election
 

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They will continue to tantrum. No doubt. However, i would be surprised if they continue to be pro lockdown after the election
Universal basic income, socialism, environmentalism, safety, virtual living and working from home are all attractive to this new generation. The lock downs fit that life style perfectly. Real life is not safe and very frightening.
 

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They will continue to tantrum. No doubt. However, i would be surprised if they continue to be pro lockdown after the election
Regardless of who wins, who is going to be interested at all in financing any protesting/rioting/looting after November 3? I'd be shocked if it all doesn't diminish very quickly after the election.
 

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As of Tuesday (Sep 15, 2020) and per Worldometers data, the US just passed 200K deaths (200,174, actually), The last daily 1,174 deaths pushed us over the top, on a total of 6,787,640 cases.

If we go back three weeks (to Aug 25) in order to offset for average time between case detection and conditional death, we had 5,954,346 cases as of then.

That means that right now, the US has an overall offset-adjusted Case Fatality Rate of 200,174 / 5,954,346=3.36%.

That stat, of course, is tilted to the high side by states like New York and New Jersey.

Maybe I'll compute the same stat, state by state, just for grins.

We can compare the current overall (offset-adjusted) CFR of 3.36% to the marginal (offset-adjusted) CFR for various points in time.

Currently, the marginal (offset-adjusted) CFR = 1.71%. That's just a little over half of the overall statistic shown above. This is based on a two-week sample to largely eliminate noise from the statistic.

We can repeat this computation for the two weeks ending April 14 - fairly near the beginning of the US pandemic (but not so far back that we have insufficient data). At that point in time, the marginal (offset-adjusted) CFR = 44.5%. Now in digesting that number, one must realize that at that point in time we had hardly any testing at all, and the only people being tested were the infections that were already (by that time) severe enough to be in a hospital, so that the definition of a "case" at that point amounted to a "severe case." Nevertheless, just think of this: Between April 14 and now (Sept 15) we have reduced the (offset-adjusted) marginal Case Fatality Rate by a factor of 26, from 44.5% down to 1.71% !

In other words, for those first few severe cases (especially the nursing-home cases in New York, thank you governor Cuomo) back in the April time frame, you had about a 50/50 coin-flip's chance of Covid being a death sentence for you. [Or to do an estimated breakdown by age, at that time if the infected person was in a nursing home or otherwise of nursing-home age, you probably had about a 90% chance of a death sentence; whereas if the infected person was younger you probably had about a 10% chance of a death sentence; based on an appoximate equal mixture of those two age groups.] But currently, if you catch a (diagnosed) case of Covid (in North Dakota, say), you have only about a 1.71% chance of dying from it (and its comorbidities). That's the (offset-adjusted) marginal CFR. If you guess that there's maybe 8X more actual infections than detected cases these days (a figure used in a recent report) - thanks to lots of mild or asymptomatic cases that don't get tested - then the (offset-adjusted) marginal Infection Fatality Risk (IFR) is about 0.214% right now (maybe about 4 to 5 times worse than the flu).

Conclusion #1: If you're going to get infected with Covid, then it's better to get infected in September in North Dakota than to get infected in April in New York !

Conclusion #2a: Given the caliber of Covid treatment currently available, the risk of death if you get a case of Covid is, on average, about 4 or 5 times greater than if you catch the flu. Conclusion #2b: However, the risk versus age + comorbidity spectrum of Covid makes the chances of Covid death much more severe than for flu within the old and obese and comorbid. Conclusion #2c: If you catch Covid but do not die, there are a much higher percentage of survivors that have severe ongoing health issues than for the flu.

Conclusion #3: If we could (magically) largely eliminate the fatso epidemic and the comorbidity epidemic among Americans, then Covid could be reduced in its level-of-harm to only about the magnitude of the flu (but subject to 2b and 2c, above). Although there is no magic bullet for this, should there not be a multi-billion-dollar (free to the populace) government-sponsored crash program to achieve the goal of massively reducing the fatso epidemic and the comorbidity epidemic among Americans?

So we've gotten Covid much closer to the flu in severity, yet not nearly close enough to the flu to treat it lightly. And, of course, a Covid vaccine will not likely arrive until about the end of the year. Yet we have made large strides in the right direction.

Conclusion #4: We should be talking about marginal CFR and marginal IFR, not total CFR and total IFR. The latter should be saved for the history books. The former are what we should be using right now to drive policy.

Yet (and does anybody else find this rather odd?) we have never ever heard people like Fauci or Birx or Osterholm talk about marginal CFR or marginal IFR. That makes me think that we have a bunch of total clowns leading this Covid circus.
It's simple just stop fuck eating. I have fasted 10 days on coffee and water. It seems harder than it is.
 
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