The new Corona virus, should we worry?

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And Trump tells them, don't worry I have got it and proceeds to do nothing for a month.
Trump is still killing people seven months later through:

- his minimizing of the dangers and risks of Covid-19;

- his lack of action on testing;

- his lack of action on PPE;

- his refusal to take the lead and promote the wearing of masks;

- his refusal to take the lead and caution people about gathering in groups without social distancing;

- his pushing of states and private businesses to open up too quickly;

- his promotion of ineffective and dangerous remedies.

When the pandemic is finally over Trump will go down in history as being responsible for the unnecessary deaths of tens of thousands or more of Americans from Covid-19.
 
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There were more than smallpox and yellow fever in the 1700 and 1800s. When the microscope was first developed, many years earler, they had no idea about what they were viewing as far as bacteria and Protozoans and did not know they caused illness. You need an electron microscope to study viruses. The Smallpox vacene came about around 1800 by acident with a docter noting that people that came in contact with Cowpox had an amunity to Smallpox yet he didn't understand it was a viruses.

I understand your worry about the term keeping us safe. There has always been a balance between liberty and safty. The Idea for our Constitution and Bill Of Rights is based on that balance. The more liberty citisens want the less safty people have & the more safty the public wants the less liberty they will get.
They didn’t have the same understanding of viruses we do today. But it was not a foreign concept that they were totally unaware of and would have failed to consider when crafting our founding documents.

the constitution is about limiting the power of the federal government. There’s nothing stopping states from taking action to “keep us safe”. The presidents job is not to keep us safe.
 

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Trump admitted to lying about COVID.

And any nonsense about not wanting people to panic not only flies in the face of dozens of things he's said on numerous other topics, but is also clearly a horrible way to approach a pandemic. You'd never downplay a hurricane, because you want people to respond and prepare, and this is the exact same thing
Of course you don't downplay a hurricane. In fact you warn the people in the sharpie zone to prepare, which is something regular forecasters don't do.
 

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One way to avoid public panic is to devise a coherent public policy strategy that clearly communicates the threat to the American people in a timely manner while very quickly taking very concrete logistical steps to minimize illness and death. This was the greatest public health emergency in 100 years and we had a child in the WH.
What if you are the President and you are physically and mentally incapable of that? What should you do?
 

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Lying? That’s someone else’s spin.

He said he “played down” the virus to avoid panic. ”Played down” is a relative term. Played down to what is the question, and he didn’t say specifically unless there’s more audio to explain it.

”Played down” to avoid panic relative to the news media sensationalism? That’s not a lie. That’s keeping it in perspective.

”Played down” to avoid people taking actions that would interfere with fighting the pandemic? Like a run on groceries/food, supplies, masks, etc. That’s called being a responsible leader. Dr Fauci said that he advocated the no mask strategy to preserve masks for the medical professionals. I don’t recall a freak out about him lying to the public when he admitted it.

The word “lie” is used far too much and has lost its significance. Like Bush ”lying“ about WMDs when he trusted the intelligence.

I’ll tell you what a real lie is though. ”If you like you doctor and insurance plan, you can keep it”. Plus a few others Obama did to get the ACA passed.
He lied. He said 15 cases would soon be zero. He said it would go away like a miracle. He said it was a Democrat hoax. He said churches would be packed on Easter. All of these are lies he told when he admits he knew otherwise. They're not "downplaying" they're lies. Period.
 

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Great the house is on fire and Trump removes the smoke detector because he doesn't want to cause a panic. F brilliant....
Then he denied there was a fire and said the smoke was from Dems rioting and smoking pot in the basement.
 

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Trump is still killing people seven months later through:

- his minimizing of the dangers and risks of Covid-19;

- his lack of action on testing;

- his lack of action on PPE;

- his refusal to take the lead and promote the wearing of masks;

- his refusal to take the lead and caution people about gathering in groups without social distancing;

- his pushing of states and private businesses to open up too quickly;

- his promotion of ineffective and dangerous remedies.

When the pandemic is finally over Trump will go down in history as being responsible for the unnecessary deaths of tens of thousands or more of Americans from Covid-19.
US- most tests of any nation in the world. Also the US more test per million than any nation in the world with a population of more than 10 million. Russia is right with us but only you would believe Russia's numbers. :)
 

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They didn’t have the same understanding of viruses we do today. But it was not a foreign concept that they were totally unaware of and would have failed to consider when crafting our founding documents.

the constitution is about limiting the power of the federal government. There’s nothing stopping states from taking action to “keep us safe”. The presidents job is not to keep us safe.
Pesidents Oath of Office
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of president of the United States, and will, to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

We both know that that congress makes the laws for the Us. It is the presidents job to set an agenda for his term, but if he is to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, he is protecting us under in the extent of what the constitution allows and doesnt allow through his veto power.. An example Pesindent of protecting the US citisens Trump could have inacted and parhsuly did, the the act that allows him to take over some bussnesses, in a national emergency, to make ventalators and personal protection products along with emergency funding for Vacens or any other material, in a national emergency thus protecting US citacens.

The powers of the Pesident to serve and protect US citicens do exist!

 
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They didn’t have the same understanding of viruses we do today. But it was not a foreign concept that they were totally unaware of and would have failed to consider when crafting our founding documents.

the constitution is about limiting the power of the federal government. There’s nothing stopping states from taking action to “keep us safe”. The presidents job is not to keep us safe.
When Washington was dieing his doctors kept bleeding him to let the bad humors out. Even durring the US Civel War the best doctors were the ones that could remove legs and arms, tie off the arteries in about 2 minuts. They never cleand their amputation tools. As many soldures on both sides died of desease than were killed in battle. So even up untill 1865 they really didint understand microscopic germs.
 
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He lied. He said 15 cases would soon be zero. He said it would go away like a miracle. He said it was a Democrat hoax. He said churches would be packed on Easter. All of these are lies he told when he admits he knew otherwise. They're not "downplaying" they're lies. Period.
Did you just find out about the “15 to zero”?

We didn’t understand CV for a long time after February. Look at this thread as evidence.

Fauci said Trump NEVER said anything that he would consider a distortion to the public after he started on the task force. Before that, no one KNEW anything with certainty.
 

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When Washington was dieing his doctors kept bleeding him to let the bad humors out. Even durring the US Civel War the best doctors were the ones that could remove legs and arms, tie off the arteries in about 2 minuts. They never cleand their amputation tools. As many soldures on both sides died of desease than were killed in battle. So even up untill 1865 they really didint understand microscopic germs.
But they understood epidemics and they used quarantines to contain them. Understanding microscopic germs not necessary.
 

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Did you just find out about the “15 to zero”?

We didn’t understand CV for a long time after February. Look at this thread as evidence.

Fauci said Trump NEVER said anything that he would consider a distortion to the public after he started on the task force. Before that, no one KNEW anything with certainty.
You don't have to know everything about the virus to know "we have 15 cases it will soon be zero" or "it will go away like a miracle" or "Churches will be packed on Easter" are lies. If Fauci doesn't consder that a distortion, he's wrong.
 

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You don't have to know everything about the virus to know "we have 15 cases it will soon be zero" or "it will go away like a miracle" or "Churches will be packed on Easter" are lies. If Fauci doesn't consder that a distortion, he's wrong.
Those aren’t facts. They are wishful thinking. Which most people recognized as such.
 

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Those aren’t facts. They are wishful thinking. Which most people recognized as such.
They were lies. He knew none of them could possibly happen.

Saying the Twins are going to win the World Series is wishful thinking. Saying I think the Gophers are going to win the College Football play-off this year if I've been told the B1G cancelled the season but the public doesn't know yet is a lie.
 

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But they understood epidemics and they used quarantines to contain them. Understanding microscopic germs not necessary.
Yet they didn't know how epidemics started. Jeffeson moved to inland Virgina becase he thought the marshes & swamps, near the coast, gave off bad gasses, but it was the Mosquitos . I can understand that & they also burned the bodies.

During this Pandemic, some of the cities and states, quorintined, but many didn't. While the
President would have a hard time having the states quortine without congress he could have pushed masks and gotten away with it. Like I said, in the 1700s and 1800s they may have known about epidemics, but had no idea what really caused them. During the Revolutionary War they use to burn material that produces a lot of smoke to drive off the bad gasses, but in reality it kept the .Mosquitos away.
 
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Yet they didn't know how epidemics started. Jeffeson moved to inland Virgina becase he thought the marshes & swamps, near the coast, gave off bad gasses, but it was the Mosketos. I can understand that & they also burned the bodies.

Durring this Pandemic, some of the cities and states, quorintined, but many didin't. While the
Presdent would have a hard time having the states quortine without congress he could have pushed masks and gotten away with it. Like I said, in the 1700s and 1800s they may have known about epedemics, but had no idea what really caused them. Durring the Revolotiomary War they use to burn material that poduced a lot of smoke to drive off the bad gasses, but in reality it kept the mosketos away.
In 100 years, they will look back on our medical knowledge the same way.
They wore masks in the middle ages during the plague.
 

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Characteristics of a group of US 18-34 yo COVID hospitalized and deceased April-June. This is a data scrape from EHRs via a third party collator..take with a hefty grain of salt. Still, interesting.


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Did you just find out about the “15 to zero”?

We didn’t understand CV for a long time after February. Look at this thread as evidence.

Fauci said Trump NEVER said anything that he would consider a distortion to the public after he started on the task force. Before that, no one KNEW anything with certainty.
Trump knew, murderer.
 

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Characteristics of a group of US 18-34 yo COVID hospitalized and deceased April-June. This is a data scrape from EHRs via a third party collator..take with a hefty grain of salt. Still, interesting.


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It's really interesting that obesity, hypertension, and diabetes were significantly higher in the death/ventilated group, but not asthma and smoking. As a respiratory virus you'd probably guess respiratory risk factors would mean a worse outcome but that doesn't seem to be so...

I bet if you compared IFR vs. obesity/hypertension rates of countries you'd see a pretty strong correlation, I can look down the chart here and start to buy it already... Japan/Korea/India vs. US, of course there are some outliers like Italy (explained by old population?). Thanks for posting PE

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Number of tests up - lower positive test rate. I know that is one of the numbers that the State Health officials track very closely. We'll see if this is a blip or a trend.

MN Covid-19 Update - Fri, Sept 11

data reported by 4pm the previous day.

Positive Cases 82,716 +484. (2.7% positive test rate)

Health-Care workers with positive cases 8,998 +50.

Cases No Longer Needing Isolation 75,757 +332.

Active Cases 5,062 +122.

Deaths 1,897 +13.

Deaths at Long-Term Care and Assisted Living 1,382 +7.

Patients currently Hospitalized 253 -4.

Patients currently In ICU 139 +1.

Total Tests processed 1,665,328 +17,841.

Number of people tested 1,212,560 +7,059.
 

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In 100 years, they will look back on our medical knowledge the same way.
They wore masks in the middle ages during the plague.

Are you talking about the plague masks like these.used during the middle ages? Please not the bottom openings and the frightening faces were that used to scare off the off l spirits that caused the plague. They would also burn things like smoldering sage and inhale to ward off the evil demons. I don't think that would work against Covid.
 
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