Rough video of black man killed in Minneapolis police custody last night

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Broke is his original account from way back, that was banned previously. Then it was Up North Nazi or whatever it was. Then Cruze. May as well revert back to the old Broke that we all know...
I recall 2 or 3 of his accounts posting on the same thread in the past.good research...
 

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The whole right/left thing now days is a mixed up bag of branding in my opinion. Hitler's Nazis were statists with centrally controlled government as were Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Mussolini, Pinochet etc. even though those are considered a mix of right/left.

At the opposite end of the spectrum would be the classical liberals and libertarian types that are strong on individual rights.

It seems like most modern western democratic type countries are in the middle somewhere.
 

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Yeah the left loved Donald Trump until he decided to run for President, then he was persona non grata.
I don't think anybody loved Donald Trump except Donald Trump before he ran for president. He wrote checks to politicians in both parties and they all cashed them. Once he started running and the country got to know him, the majority of the country determined that he was unfit for the presidency. He won the election through an archaic system designed largely to protect rural interests that is still in use today.
 

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It figures that someone like you would feel smug and satisfied just from a very superficial investigation of a complex set of facts.

Look, I've spent 40 years off-and-on reading about this stuff. Hitler did not start the Nazi Party. In its earlier days, the party did incorporate a nationalist sense of socialism. Hitler joined the party around 1919 or 1920. He was not the undisputed leader of the party until the late 20s and even into the early 30s shared leadership with the more socialist elements that were concentrated in Northern Germany (especially Berlin). This faction was led by the Strasser brothers (Gregor and Otto) and Goebbels. Hitler first wooed Goebbels over to his side and tolerated the Strasser brothers (for awhile) because they were good organizers, Gregor had been one of the earliest Nazis elected to the Reichstag, and they were useful to him.

By the late 20s, Hitler had begun rejecting the more socialist elements of the early party platform and this conversion was very important to gaining support of more right wing elements between the critical election of 1932 and his ascension to the chancellorship in January of 1933. His ascension to the chancellorship was actively supported by the other right wing parties including the old line conservatives who believed they could control Hitler and the Nazis. No one did more to suppress the Communists or the more mainstream left Social Democrats (the SPD) than Hitler. Finally, slightly more than a year after assuming the Chancellorship, Hitler had Gregor Strasser shot during the Night of the Long Knives along with other more socialist elements in the SA. Otto Strasser avoided execution by fleeing the country.

You're not really an MD are you? I've never met a physician who behaved as sneeringly stupid as you.
 

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There's no reason to believe there are right wing extremists involved. None. That's not to say they're better people than Antifa & other groups with affiliated mindsets, but the current burning & looting, the current desire to burn down America, is uniquely Democrat & left wing.
Any proof, craig?
 

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If we aren't sure, we can be general. With Antifa, we are sure. Let's call it what it is. Not all protesters are antifa, probably a very small percentage are.
What's the percentage? Got any data?
 

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I don't think anybody loved Donald Trump except Donald Trump before he ran for president. He wrote checks to politicians in both parties and they all cashed them. Once he started running and the country got to know him, the majority of the country determined that he was unfit for the presidency. He won the election through an archaic system designed largely to protect rural interests that is still in use today.
Only archaic to those who despise protections for minority interests and State's rights.
 

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Only archaic to those who despise protections for minority interests and State's rights.
Protection of those minority interests can come through the senate. There is no need to give states two electoral votes for every senator. Even if the senatorial electoral votes were eliminated, the GOP would still have some advantage due to the self-Gerrymandering of left-of-center voters into the large urban districts.
 

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Good article from a couple years ago--one of many a person can find about how MLK was generally not well liked at the time. Also worth noting is how King advocated peaceful resistance and civil disobedience, in other words breaking the law to make an important point but not hurting anyone in the process. That continues to be a civilized template for social change.

 

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I don't think anybody loved Donald Trump except Donald Trump before he ran for president. He wrote checks to politicians in both parties and they all cashed them. Once he started running and the country got to know him, the majority of the country determined that he was unfit for the presidency. He won the election through an archaic system designed largely to protect rural interests that is still in use today.
I'm glad you see you think the constitution is archaic. Part of the problem in todays world is that too much power has been corrupted to the highest parts of government. Power and rules should stay local so if you don't like a law you can run down the street and yell at the guy who wrote it. With the society now no politician has to answer or be held accountable for anything they do. If you are on the left you can go on CNN / MSNBC and they will lob softball questions that you can get a good sound bite for a commercial. If you are on the right you can go on Foxnews and the same thing happens. During this whole riot and chaos did you see the tv stations that the mayors of Minneapolis and St. Paul were calling into. They were CNN and MSNBC, they didn't call into WCCO or KSTP. They all go onto their cushy platforms to get the praise and sound bites they want. The problem with today's climate in reporting is that the local newspaper industry is being destroyed by hedge fund companies, and yes I know some are of the right. The Governor actually apologized to Jacob Frey for being asked his thoughts on neighborhoods defending themselves against the rioters. That was on the Saturday May 30th press conference after the entire city was left to fend for themselves for 3 days as thing burned. I am sorry but that is a fair question and only a local reporter would ask that question.
 

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I don't think anybody loved Donald Trump except Donald Trump before he ran for president. He wrote checks to politicians in both parties and they all cashed them. Once he started running and the country got to know him, the majority of the country determined that he was unfit for the presidency. He won the election through an archaic system designed largely to protect rural interests that is still in use today.
California and New York which are two of the most liberal states in the county HRC won those states by around 6 million votes combined. HRC won the popular vote by around 3 million votes.

You can believe Trump is unfit for the presidency but the assertion that the vast majority of the country other than California and New York agrees with you is factual incorrect.
 

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Protection of those minority interests can come through the senate. There is no need to give states two electoral votes for every senator. Even if the senatorial electoral votes were eliminated, the GOP would still have some advantage due to the self-Gerrymandering of left-of-center voters into the large urban districts.
The electoral college splits the baby. Most of the power is still afforded to the high population states, but a mathematical edge is shifted partially back to the least populated. I think the constitution is crafted beautifully. If you were a minority partner in a business, you would be happy that most states require that some protections are afforded to minority interests.

If I had one beef with the way our current system is set up, it would be that it favors a two-party system; which in turn favors an increasing amount of hostility to the "enemy" party. I think it's time in this country to have at least a strong third party if not more. This is something I'll think I'll start studying.
 

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Thought this was interesting. The most interesting parts of it were the last 2 paragraphs shown below.

"The Justice Department has studied the issue of creating a domestic terrorism law to apply to people involved in violence and who belong to domestic extremist groups, but the constitutional issues have been a hurdle to that effort.

Despite threats by the President to designate various groups as terrorists, the closest the Trump administration has come is, in recent weeks, the State Department's designation of a white supremacist group called Russian Imperial Movement, which is a foreign group but has some domestic US supporters, as a specially designated global terrorist group."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-antifa-protests/index.html

Question, does Antifa have any foreign angles or strictly domestic?
 

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California and New York which are two of the most liberal states in the county HRC won those states by around 6 million votes combined. HRC won the popular vote by around 3 million votes.

You can believe Trump is unfit for the presidency but the assertion that the vast majority of the country other than California and New York agrees with you is factual incorrect.
I've heard this argument many times from boneheads like yourself. Do you all come to this conclusion independently or do you just copy others' bad ideas? If HRC won the election by 3 million votes, then the majority of the two-party vote preferred her. It doesn't matter where that vote came from. To argue otherwise is to suggest that voters in NY and California should have their votes count less.
 

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I've heard this argument many times from boneheads like yourself. Do you all come to this conclusion independently or do you just copy others' bad ideas? If HRC won the election by 3 million votes, then the majority of the two-party vote preferred her. It doesn't matter where that vote came from. To argue otherwise is to suggest that voters in NY and California should have their votes count less.
Even boneheads like me can figure out when you lose 60% of the States you do not have the vast majority of the country agreeing with you. Its not my fault that is too hard of concept for you to understand.
 

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The electoral college splits the baby. Most of the power is still afforded to the high population states, but a mathematical edge is shifted partially back to the least populated. I think the constitution is crafted beautifully. If you were a minority partner in a business, you would be happy that most states require that some protections are afforded to minority interests.

If I had one beef with the way our current system is set up, it would be that it favors a two-party system; which in turn favors an increasing amount of hostility to the "enemy" party. I think it's time in this country to have at least a strong third party if not more. This is something I'll think I'll start studying.
I agree with your last paragraph. If I were dictator, I would order both parties dissolved. Although I believe the Democratic party is less reprehensible, I don't see how you could get rid of one without the other.
 

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Even boneheads like me can figure out when you lose 60% of the country you do not have the vast majority of the country agreeing with you.
Dirt doesn't vote. People vote and Trump lost them. He didn't lose them by a lot but he still lost them. The evidence suggests that his position has eroded since then. Some people just rolled the dice in 2016 but now he is a known quantity.
 

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One thing to not discount is police organizations' role in all of this. I've seen at least a couple videos of cops in protest areas flashing white power signs to each other.
They were playing the circle game. It's very popular among college kids in the military. And cops. Believe me.
 

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They did that in Chicago decades ago. Has that slowed complaints of police brutality? Nope.

And some just used a bogus address in the city, like a relatives address, and moved to the suburbs.

Next idea?
What's your idea? Can MN borrow Rick DeSantis? I hear he's $%%^ing brilliant.
 

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I've heard this argument many times from boneheads like yourself. Do you all come to this conclusion independently or do you just copy others' bad ideas? If HRC won the election by 3 million votes, then the majority of the two-party vote preferred her. It doesn't matter where that vote came from. To argue otherwise is to suggest that voters in NY and California should have their votes count less.
And I've made this argument a 100 times here as well and some of you don't seem to get it.

According to the rules of the game, Trump hammered Hillary, plain and simple. The game was match play in golf, not stroke play. Sure, Hillary managed to get into the clubhouse in fewer strokes, but Trump won about 12 holes to Hillary's 8 or so. Essentially on two holes, CA and NY, Trump conceded the hole, said "You can have this one, Hillary", picked up his ball and moved on to the next tee box.

Change the rules of the game, you would be changing how the candidates campaign, where they campaign, etc. But to belabor the point that she got more overall votes when that just plain wasn't the game is just plain stupid and ignorant and sour grapes. I guess you have to cling to something.
 

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I've yet to hear one single cogent, logical explanation of just how nationwide chaos and disruption in the months leading up to a general election HELPS the incumbent candidate. Not one single viable argument for why any righties would support this chaos.
That might be true as a general statement, but this type of chaos absolutely helps Trump.
 

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California and New York which are two of the most liberal states in the county HRC won those states by around 6 million votes combined. HRC won the popular vote by around 3 million votes.

You can believe Trump is unfit for the presidency but the assertion that the vast majority of the country other than California and New York agrees with you is factual incorrect.
What's the vote count when you remove Florida and Texas?
 
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