RIP Internal Combustion Engine - General Motors to go all-electric by 2035 and carbon-neutral by 2040

Go4Broke

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But the changes to those temperatures happen much slower over time when they are naturally occurring. This proves that the rapid changes over the past 100-ish years are caused by humans. And so that disproves your assertion, and also proves that humans can slow down this increase by changing our behaviors.

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Farmers to?
Yes. Farmers have been unfairly subsidized so that some have become multi-millionaires from government subsidy. Let the market dictate. Don't keep falsely growing because of the government and then cry when that subsidy is removed.

Note, however, that in Minnesota it's the Democrat, Farmer and Labor Party. Dems own the abusive subsidies that falsely prop up some on the taxes of others.
 

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Yes. Farmers have been unfairly subsidized so that some have become multi-millionaires from government subsidy. Let the market dictate. Don't keep falsely growing because of the government and then cry when that subsidy is removed.

Note, however, that in Minnesota it's the Democrat, Farmer and Labor Party. Dems own the abusive subsidies that falsely prop up some on the taxes of others.
ZZZ. 90% of today's farmers vote Trump. And he fed them from the government trough bigly. You don't care.
 

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I am saying they should not be subsidised and they should thrive or fail according to the market.
The market would no longer be willing to purchase $70k (or whatever they are) Tesla vehicles without the $8k subsidy? If the buyers even qualify for it (I have no idea what the criteria are, but wouldn't be surprised if you make over a certain amount that you no longer qualify). Could easily be wrong about that part.

Anyway, point is: I doubt it.

Giant companies like GM aren't going to make this big of a bet based on whims or ideology.
 

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The market would no longer be willing to purchase $70k (or whatever they are) Tesla vehicles without the $8k subsidy? If the buyers even qualify for it (I have no idea what the criteria are, but wouldn't be surprised if you make over a certain amount that you no longer qualify). Could easily be wrong about that part.

Anyway, point is: I doubt it.

Giant companies like GM aren't going to make this big of a bet based on whims or ideology.
Tesla gets no subsidy, they have sold to many cars.
 

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Yes. Farmers have been unfairly subsidized so that some have become multi-millionaires from government subsidy. Let the market dictate. Don't keep falsely growing because of the government and then cry when that subsidy is removed.

Note, however, that in Minnesota it's the Democrat, Farmer and Labor Party. Dems own the abusive subsidies that falsely prop up some on the taxes of others.
A lot.
 

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Trump bragged A LOT about all the money he was buying farmers v... paying farmers.
 

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Dude, socialism is whatever duece and the fellas say it is. Did you know Hitler was a socialist?
"Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism, but at least it's an ethos ..."
 

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The market would no longer be willing to purchase $70k (or whatever they are) Tesla vehicles without the $8k subsidy? If the buyers even qualify for it (I have no idea what the criteria are, but wouldn't be surprised if you make over a certain amount that you no longer qualify). Could easily be wrong about that part.

Anyway, point is: I doubt it.

Giant companies like GM aren't going to make this big of a bet based on whims or ideology.
They have nothing to lose. Joe will bail them out.
 

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I will repeat myself.
Refundable Carbon dividend, then let the market find the best solutions. Simple Conservative plan to address climate change.
 

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They have nothing to lose. Joe will bail them out.
Staying the course on internal combustion engines is an even bigger risk. So if what you say were true, then they would continue as is or perhaps even reduce electrical vehicle research.
 

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I will repeat myself.
Refundable Carbon dividend, then let the market find the best solutions. Simple Conservative plan to address climate change.
What is your plan for the biggest polluters of all - China and others across the pond, Wallace?

USA can be clean as a whistle, and it wont matter if the rest of the world pollutes like China.
 

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https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54256826

Climate change: China aims for 'carbon neutrality by 2060'
Gotta love what those communists say. Plus that’s only carbon neutral, is that enough to stop the world from dying. Their agreement in the Paris climate accord says they hope to PEAK carbon emissions by 2030. So by their own admissions for the next 9 years their carbon output will continue to increase. As of 2018 China was responsible for just under half the total worlds output.
 

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Gotta love what those communists say. Plus that’s only carbon neutral, is that enough to stop the world from dying. Their agreement in the Paris climate accord says they hope to PEAK carbon emissions by 2030. So by their own admissions for the next 9 years their carbon output will continue to increase. As of 2018 China was responsible for just under half the total worlds output.
WALLACE!!!!!

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Earth heats up due to pandemics cleaner air...
Yes particulate pollution artificially cools the earth, which means as we go to ever cleaner technologies and get rid of fossil fuels there will be additional jump due to clearer air.

Soon the morons will be saying particulate pollution is good....
 

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Gotta love what those communists say. Plus that’s only carbon neutral, is that enough to stop the world from dying. Their agreement in the Paris climate accord says they hope to PEAK carbon emissions by 2030. So by their own admissions for the next 9 years their carbon output will continue to increase. As of 2018 China was responsible for just under half the total worlds output.
Always more worried about your neighbor than yourself...
 

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Always more worried about your neighbor than yourself...
What else can I do. I have not been on a plane in years, I turn off lights when not in use, my HVAC system is energy efficient. I am pretty sure my daily habits hardly have any impact on the environment. And if you think I’m gonna start walking 4 miles to work everyday there and back then you have another thing coming. And unlike John Kerry I can’t afford a private plane to Iceland to accept an award for my environmental work.
 

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What else can I do. I have not been on a plane in years, I turn off lights when not in use, my HVAC system is energy efficient. I am pretty sure my daily habits hardly have any impact on the environment. And if you think I’m gonna start walking 4 miles to work everyday there and back then you have another thing coming. And unlike John Kerry I can’t afford a private plane to Iceland to accept an award for my environmental work.
Good for you, I leave the lights on and drive a gas guzzler.
😯😯😯
 
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