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So the teachers unions with their demands, or teachers filing petitions, or discussing their concerns with their school districts don't have much say?
Nope. The Los Angeles teacher union is the one with the crazy demands. I don't know one teacher that I work with demanding to stay home. Most want to go back for many reasons. Others have concerns but would still rather go back. We can say anything we want. Most of the time that is completely ignored by the school boards.
 

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Nope. The Los Angeles teacher union is the one with the crazy demands. I don't know one teacher that I work with demanding to stay home. Most want to go back for many reasons. Others have concerns but would still rather go back. We can say anything we want. Most of the time that is completely ignored by the school boards.
Most of the teachers I know also want to go back. Maybe I've listened to the MSM too much in reporting that many teachers don't want to go back. I should know better.
 

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Most of the teachers I know also want to go back. Maybe I've listened to the MSM too much in reporting that many teachers don't want to go back. I should know better.
I think it’s a little bit of both, but for the teachers’ unions, it’s a political thing. Gain as much funding and political clout as possible, and influence the balance of power in favor of the left. It’s certainly not about the students. I imagine many teachers are looking to get back to their jobs and know that online learning will not work for younger students.
 

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Most of the teachers I know also want to go back. Maybe I've listened to the MSM too much in reporting that many teachers don't want to go back. I should know better.
I've seen a few social media posts with teachers lobbying against opening, bringing up legitimate concerns. There's no slam dunk answer here. Pretending there is one takes ignoring the issues. Acting like interacting with 30 first graders or 250 middle schoolers every day is just a suck-it-up-or-quit situation is pretty bold. Look for common ground, instead of laying down your law.
 

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If the left gains power in the next election, they will end the filibuster for legislation and continue their march toward a more lefty union. If that happens, 5-10 years from now, you’ll be saying WTF.
Nice senseless, unrelated rant. Teacher's unions also have an interest in looking for ways to have their constituents remain healthy. Stop looking so hard for nefarious activity from people you don't agree with. It's simplistic thinking.
 

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If you think MSM is the problem the stop watching national news after 7pm. That’s called opinion entertainment “news.” Tape an hour of cnn and fox midday— earlier, the better. Then watch both. Good to day. More news less Hannity, Carlson, Maddow BS.
 

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Nice senseless, unrelated rant. Teacher's unions also have an interest in looking for ways to have their constituents remain healthy. Stop looking so hard for nefarious activity from people you don't agree with. It's simplistic thinking.
Then they should say that that’s their interest. IT’S NOT WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.

Please give me a quote from a teacher’s union, anyone of them, that has said we don’t want to open schools b/c we don’t think it’s safe for our teachers without suggesting it is also for the students.

Do teachers not have access PPE? Is someone demanding the teacher’s with co-morbidities teach? Are teachers more susceptible to CV than many other essential workers? Police? Grocery store workers? Mass transit workers?

Someone is being “simplistic”, and it’s not me.
 

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I think it’s a little bit of both, but for the teachers’ unions, it’s a political thing. Gain as much funding and political clout as possible, and influence the balance of power in favor of the left. It’s certainly not about the students. I imagine many teachers are looking to get back to their jobs and know that online learning will not work for younger students.
All unions are corrupt and should be disbanded. Except police!
 

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If the left gains power in the next election, they will end the filibuster for legislation and continue their march toward a more lefty union. If that happens, 5-10 years from now, you’ll be saying WTF.
Overall, unions have already been stripped of much of their power in this country. More ridiculous fear porn. This might have worked if Bernie had won. But this attempt to paint Biden as a frothing at the mouth socialist just makes you look incredibly dumb.
 

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It's not as simple as "open the schools."

It's open the schools safely.

In MN, school policy is set by the State Dept of Education. In the case of covid, the State Dept of Ed and the Governor have said they will follow the guidance of the State Dept of health.

The State Dept of health and the CDC guidelines on re-opening schools cover pages and pages of information. And schools will have to follow those guidelines because the state provides most of the funding for public schools.

If students are back in class, it will not look like a "normal" classroom. schools will have to come up all kinds of policies and procedures for social distancing, disinfecting, etc. and that's just to get kids back in a classroom. then you have to deal with activities - how do you social distance for band or choir practice?

I am NOT saying students should not be back in school.

I AM saying that it's not going to be easy. And in many cases, schools are going to face a lot of added expense to make it happen.
 

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Overall, unions have already been stripped of much of their power in this country. More ridiculous fear porn. This might have worked if Bernie had won. But this attempt to paint Biden as a frothing at the mouth socialist just makes you look incredibly dumb.
The reference to “union” in my post was the union of the US, like a “more perfect union”. So it has little to do with unions.

But Joe Bumblefuk is kowtowing to the far left of the party. It’s easy to see this by the celebrations and button popping going on with Bernie and AOC as the far left Biden initiatives are being announced in JB’s scripted speeches. He doesn’t even know what he’s reading. They just tell him “If you want to get elected, read this” and he gives them a blank look and says okay.
 

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In June, the American Association of Pediatrics put out a statement that all effort should be made to open schools as research shows that children contribute very little to community spread.

Dutch, German, Israeli research showing the same. Children serve as a brake to the china virus.

The enemy of the people not reporting this of course.
 

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In June, the American Association of Pediatrics put out a statement that all effort should be made to open schools as research shows that children contribute very little to community spread.

Dutch, German, Israeli research showing the same. Children serve as a brake to the china virus.

The enemy of the people not reporting this of course.
 

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And yet DR Atlas doesnt know the long term effects of kids contracting corona or does he? NO ONE AT THIS TIME DOES!!!!!!!

I think it was the same Dr. that said -

For those of you that are adults over 30, drink 4 shots of moonshine a day and squirt a little liter fluid in it, just a tad. Dam the liver and nerons- full spead ahead!

For those under 30 drink 3 shots of clorox, squirt a few shots of Lisal in a small plastic bag and huff it f at least 5 times.

Now I wouldn't sugest this prevention, but I heard someone mention it. Ummm really , don't do it!
U may be thinking of Dr Charles Atlas
 

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Excellent. We need to figure out a way to get back to regular life as much as possible. Maybe grades 1-3 can return to school as normal. If european studies are correct, maybe more extensive return.

We dont know how long it will take for a vaccine if ever.

Media and unions seem to be searching harder for a reason to close school than open it.
 

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I've seen a few social media posts with teachers lobbying against opening, bringing up legitimate concerns. There's no slam dunk answer here. Pretending there is one takes ignoring the issues. Acting like interacting with 30 first graders or 250 middle schoolers every day is just a suck-it-up-or-quit situation is pretty bold. Look for common ground, instead of laying down your law.
I posted this in another thread, but bears repeating here. To our family, "Staying Safe" means keeping a small group when you have relatives over for dinner, and putting an extra leaf in the table to increase distance at the table. To my in-laws, "Staying Safe" meant having those same guests to take their temperature and record their blood oxygen level before allowing them into their house, and then eating at separate tables outside.

Similarly, I would guess that teacher to teacher will have wildly different ideas of what it means for them to feel safe. Based on what I've seen, there are some students who are also terrified to go back. So I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with a mix of kids in school being taught by teachers who are comfortable being there, and kids at home being taught by teachers who are not.
 

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I posted this in another thread, but bears repeating here. To our family, "Staying Safe" means keeping a small group when you have relatives over for dinner, and putting an extra leaf in the table to increase distance at the table. To my in-laws, "Staying Safe" meant having those same guests to take their temperature and record their blood oxygen level before allowing them into their house, and then eating at separate tables outside.

Similarly, I would guess that teacher to teacher will have wildly different ideas of what it means for them to feel safe. Based on what I've seen, there are some students who are also terrified to go back. So I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with a mix of kids in school being taught by teachers who are comfortable being there, and kids at home being taught by teachers who are not.
I basically agree with your hypothesis. I don’t think your solution is workable. At least not universally. Small school. Lone math teacher in-house, lone science teacher at home. Kids in those two classes split.

That’s just one of dozens and dozens of other problematic scenarios.

I think we should send all kids to CantGetRockHard’s two fake charter schools.
 

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Vacenens

Moderna is aiming to begin its final phase of testing for its coronavirus vaccine July 27.


Which Biotech Company

 

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The kids need to be back in school. There is a lot more to going to school than just learning. Parents can make their own individual assessments for their own child and family situation but for a majority the obvious answer is to get back to school.

One thing nobody talks about (at least I haven't seen it mentioned hardly anywhere) is the kids that are on free lunch and the impact of them being at home has on those households. That is a big financial impact to those families. The list of detrimental aspects of locking the kids down at home and not going to school is a lot longer than most people are acknowledging
 

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Update - Mn Gov Walz and the State Dept of Education will be presenting their recommendations for the new school year on Thursday, July 30th.

the following week, the State HS League is supposed to present its plan for HS sports in MN.

Decisions have to be made. Some HS FB teams in MN are actually supposed to start practicing on August 10th.
 

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As of Saturday, 36 children under 15 have died from COVID-19, about 0.03 percent of all coronavirus deaths at the time, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The flu, another contagious respiratory illness, killed an estimated 477 people under 17 years old in the 2018 – 2019 season, according to the CDC. From 2010 to the end of the 2019 flu season, the CDC said the illness killed an average of 511 children each year.


 

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Sorry doctors, jtf says not safe
Yeah, JTF disagrees with the American Academy of Pediatrics too. Of course, there could be circumstances that don’t permit school to reopen, but those cases are the exception.

Why students should go back to school–safely

The AAP guidance is based on what pediatricians and infectious disease specialists know about COVID-19 and kids. Evidence so far suggests that children and adolescents are less likely to have symptoms or severe disease from infection. They also appear less likely to become infected or spread the virus.

Schools provide more than just academics to children and adolescents. In addition to reading, writing and math, children learn social and emotional skills, get exercise and access to mental health support and other things that cannot be provided with online learning. For many families, school is where kids get healthy meals, access to the internet, and other vital services.

 

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Update - Mn Gov Walz and the State Dept of Education will be presenting their recommendations for the new school year on Thursday, July 30th.

the following week, the State HS League is supposed to present its plan for HS sports in MN.

Decisions have to be made. Some HS FB teams in MN are actually supposed to start practicing on August 10th.
Oh wow. I have great confidence that some really clear thinking is going to come out of that group! :rolleyes:
 
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