Reading between lines, expect fans to be present?

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That could be true...but I think football is definitely not happening without regular classes
My guess is schools will be open, but not at at full capacity. Kids will be in class 2-3 days/week and online the other days. What that means for sports, who knows.
 

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Minnesota has been packing hundreds of mask-less young adults into crowded indoor bars for weeks now. They laugh, sing, shout, make-out, meet strangers, close-talk, taste each other’s drinks.

We have been allowing all of this since mid-June, but won’t allow sports (or maybe even school) in September?
One school backs out of playing, and therefore the rest of the schools feel pressured to follow along because they don’t want to be accused of “trying to endanger lives”.
 

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My guess is schools will be open, but not at at full capacity. Kids will be in class 2-3 days/week and online the other days. What that means for sports, who knows.
That would mean no sports
 





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Disagree.

Why would rotating, but in schools, mean no sports?
Because if the rules say you can’t have anyone within 6 feet of each other at school the school won’t allow people within 6 feet of each other after school either.

Not saying it’s right or wrong. Just how it’ll go down
 

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the State Dep't of Health is the agency that classified sports by risk levels.
Cross-Country is low risk. Volleyball is medium risk. Football is high risk.

the MN State HS league has said it will follow the guidance of the MDH and CDC.

Again - my best guess right now - MN winds up with half the kids in school and half doing distance learning on a rotational basis. Under that system, I think CC and VB would be allowed, but FB is a lot harder sell.

FWIW - basketball, baseball and softball are other medium risk sports.
The other high-risk sports are wrestling and hockey. the deciding factor is the amount of physical contact between players and the amount of time they spend in close proximity to each other.
 

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Because if the rules say you can’t have anyone within 6 feet of each other at school the school won’t allow people within 6 feet of each other after school either.

Not saying it’s right or wrong. Just how it’ll go down
See post #126
 



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the State Dep't of Health is the agency that classified sports by risk levels.
Cross-Country is low risk. Volleyball is medium risk. Football is high risk.

the MN State HS league has said it will follow the guidance of the MDH and CDC.

Again - my best guess right now - MN winds up with half the kids in school and half doing distance learning on a rotational basis. Under that system, I think CC and VB would be allowed, but FB is a lot harder sell.

FWIW - basketball, baseball and softball are other medium risk sports.
The other high-risk sports are wrestling and hockey. the deciding factor is the amount of physical contact between players and the amount of time they spend in close proximity to each other.
Outdoor should be a factor, as well
 







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We might all have to become cross country fans for a season. I dunno if people will pay for the cable sports package to get coverage though....
 

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and these numbers can be verified by the ICU's that you mention? I'd like to see it. There's some confusion by the information that is real and the information that is politicized. I'm sorry....with all that has happened...not sure what you can believe anymore. Not taking sides...just not sure who is telling the truth.
Harley Goph, it has been widely reported that icu beds are become high demand in Houston, Dallas, Phoenix and many places in Florida. I have had good interactions with you on the board before (gopher biker gang :)), and I hope you are not going into the fake news bit with this?
 

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the State Dep't of Health is the agency that classified sports by risk levels.
Cross-Country is low risk. Volleyball is medium risk. Football is high risk.

the MN State HS league has said it will follow the guidance of the MDH and CDC.

Again - my best guess right now - MN winds up with half the kids in school and half doing distance learning on a rotational basis. Under that system, I think CC and VB would be allowed, but FB is a lot harder sell.

FWIW - basketball, baseball and softball are other medium risk sports.
The other high-risk sports are wrestling and hockey. the deciding factor is the amount of physical contact between players and the amount of time they spend in close proximity to each other.
Basketball is medium risk?
 

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Article didn't say. Since it's Sarasota, I'm sure it skews older. However, the population base didn't change between April and now. Just saying the virus is having a new surge in some locations.
Thank you for bringing some data to the conversation. I so wish this public health event wasn't turned into a political thing.
We are learning more about it every day and the most basic things are outside better than inside if you are going to socialize, and masks work.
Heard a NY epidemiologist talking about the two strains of Covid-19. The original from China and the Italian variation. He talked about viruses typically become more contagious and less deadly because if someone has the more deadly one, they aren't able to pass it along to as many people. The Italian variation is thought to be more contagious but less deadly. What he didn't know is whether the surging that is happening now is more Italian but he suspected it is.
 


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My guess is schools will be open, but not at at full capacity. Kids will be in class 2-3 days/week and online the other days. What that means for sports, who knows.
My best guess at this point is that is the intent but within 2 weeks everything is online because the self quarantine rules lead to a shortage of teachers to staff a school.
no fall sports in fall. Possibly spring season moved to summer and fall moved to spring
 


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It’s been exactly 3 weeks

Yes, and at this point, SARSCOV2 is less dangerous than the 2017-2018 flu season.

It is extremely infectious, which means that the infection/mortality rate is extremely low. Most cases are mild, often milder than the flu. Student athletes have virtually zero risk, basically any healthy 75 year old as very little risk, not enough to withdraw from society.

We have never stopped the world because of influenza, why are we doing it for SARSCOV2?

The actual deaths in the United States are exaggerated because a large percentage of actual SARSCOV2 death are among those with end of life care directives, many would not have survived the year anyway. Check the actual deaths year-to-date with last year. It is a mild blip and may disappear by year end.

The only panic porn points left are (1) long term damage, (2) temporary immunity. Both of these are unproven speculative or anecdotal and go against generations of immunological science.

Check the graphs, California, Arizona, Texas, Florida hospitals are busy but managing fine. This is exactly what we want, let the disease run its course and achieve herd immunity while the virus moderates over time.

So why wouldn't you open schools and fill stadiums?
 

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@goldenrodent you are right on. Listen here is the truth: If you are worried about the virus you have the right to stay home and never leave your house. But I also have the right to live my life if I feel there is not risk(which there is not a big risk here other than the media's love of entertainment). If you are so concerned stay home. If you are not go about your life. Government trying to come in and have total control via fear based media.

Stop living our lives in total fear and thinking the only saving grace is our government.
 

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Yes, and at this point, SARSCOV2 is less dangerous than the 2017-2018 flu season.

It is extremely infectious, which means that the infection/mortality rate is extremely low. Most cases are mild, often milder than the flu. Student athletes have virtually zero risk, basically any healthy 75 year old as very little risk, not enough to withdraw from society.

We have never stopped the world because of influenza, why are we doing it for SARSCOV2?

The actual deaths in the United States are exaggerated because a large percentage of actual SARSCOV2 death are among those with end of life care directives, many would not have survived the year anyway. Check the actual deaths year-to-date with last year. It is a mild blip and may disappear by year end.

The only panic porn points left are (1) long term damage, (2) temporary immunity. Both of these are unproven speculative or anecdotal and go against generations of immunological science.

Check the graphs, California, Arizona, Texas, Florida hospitals are busy but managing fine. This is exactly what we want, let the disease run its course and achieve herd immunity while the virus moderates over time.

So why wouldn't you open schools and fill stadiums?
This post is chock full of purposeful misinformation. We call those lies.

Keep fantasizing.
 


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@goldenrodent you are right on. Listen here is the truth: If you are worried about the virus you have the right to stay home and never leave your house. But I also have the right to live my life if I feel there is not risk(which there is not a big risk here other than the media's love of entertainment). If you are so concerned stay home. If you are not go about your life. Government trying to come in and have total control via fear based media.

Stop living our lives in total fear and thinking the only saving grace is our government.

If only there weren't actual stats to back up the concern.
 

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Yes, and at this point, SARSCOV2 is less dangerous than the 2017-2018 flu season.
Not even close.

2017-18 Flu Summary

The actual deaths in the United States are exaggerated because a large percentage of actual SARSCOV2 death are among those with end of life care directives, many would not have survived the year anyway. Check the actual deaths year-to-date with last year. It is a mild blip and may disappear by year end.

The data says we've had about 160K extra deaths this year compared to last through the end of June.

Death totals & Excess deaths

The only panic porn points left are (1) long term damage, (2) temporary immunity. Both of these are unproven speculative or anecdotal and go against generations of immunological science.

Check the graphs, California, Arizona, Texas, Florida hospitals are busy but managing fine. This is exactly what we want, let the disease run its course and achieve herd immunity while the virus moderates over time.

You say those things are unproven speculative or anecdotal but you're saying the virus is weakening and that we are able to achieve herd immunity without a vaccine as if those are facts.

The death numbers are increasing again which indicates the virus isn't just weakening and disappearing.
 
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@goldenrodent you are right on. Listen here is the truth: If you are worried about the virus you have the right to stay home and never leave your house. But I also have the right to live my life if I feel there is not risk(which there is not a big risk here other than the media's love of entertainment). If you are so concerned stay home. If you are not go about your life. Government trying to come in and have total control via fear based media.

Stop living our lives in total fear and thinking the only saving grace is our government.
It's so funny to me how many think just doing things to try to help others is the equivalent to living in fear.
 

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It's so funny to me how many think just doing things to try to help others is the equivalent to living in fear.

We know now that SARSCOV2 is less lethal but more contagious than influenza. You can't bet against herd immunity and bet in favor of a vaccine. They are the same thing. Vaccine induces herd immunity, but the time the vaccine arrives, herd immunity will already have been achieved, unless the government prevents the disease from running its course.

The Infection Mortality Rate is exceedingly small, like 0.02 percent. Nothing near what the modelers predicted.

Quit trying to help others with this lockdown and mask wearing, the lockdowns are creating enormous collateral damage, from bankrupticies, suicides, child abuse, undetected cancer, domestic violence, riots...
 

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We know now that SARSCOV2 is less lethal but more contagious than influenza. You can't bet against herd immunity and bet in favor of a vaccine. They are the same thing. Vaccine induces herd immunity, but the time the vaccine arrives, herd immunity will already have been achieved, unless the government prevents the disease from running its course.

The Infection Mortality Rate is exceedingly small, like 0.02 percent. Nothing near what the modelers predicted.

Quit trying to help others with this lockdown and mask wearing, the lockdowns are creating enormous collateral damage, from bankrupticies, suicides, child abuse, undetected cancer, domestic violence, riots...

WOW. This last paragraph is a HUGE reach. Straight from the Orange One's playbook
 




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