PJ and Politics

Section2

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Tell me if I’m way misreading things. PJs culture, is very progressive. To me it’s in a good way. He’s embracing the new, all about Being selfless and serving and giving. But it just has the feel of the good side of the political left.
Contrast with Jerry Kill whose culture has a very old school conservative feel.
I actually like both cultures.

Here’s my question:
Why does it seem like Minnesota progressives hate Fleck? Lefties like Reusse can’t stand him. I don’t have a ton of data points, but when I see someone on Twitter lay into him, and I look at their feed, they are undoubtedly lefties.

Am I totally misreading? For the “fellas” on both sides, feel free to comment on whether you like Flecks culture and personality.


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Minnesota

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Tell me if I’m way misreading things. PJs culture, is very progressive. To me it’s in a good way. He’s embracing the new, all about Being selfless and serving and giving. But it just has the feel of the good side of the political left.
Contrast with Jerry Kill whose culture has a very old school conservative feel.
I actually like both cultures.

Here’s my question:
Why does it seem like Minnesota progressives hate Fleck? Lefties like Reusse can’t stand him. I don’t have a ton of data points, but when I see someone on Twitter lay into him, and I look at their feed, they are undoubtedly lefties.

Am I totally misreading? For the “fellas” on both sides, feel free to comment on whether you like Flecks culture and personality.


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Dude, I’m to the left of Karl Marx and I love PJ. Are you OK?
 

howeda7

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Wow. This is sad. I don't know PJ's politics and I don't care. If you can't even watch football without seeing an agenda you have issues.

I'm not sure if Reusse genuinely dislikes PJ at this point or if he's trolling. But to begin with it's the same reason he didn't like Brew. He thought he was a blow-hard. Reusse, like many Minnesotans, likes his coaches in the Bud Grant/Tom Kelly mold. He like Claeys for the same reason.
 

LesBolstad

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S2- you're a 100% correct in your observation.

I would say PF is a huge proponent of personal accountability. As he has said a 1000 times, his culture is not for everyone. Progressives and the Loony Left don't like accountability and feel everyone deserves second, third, and ten second chances. A disciplined culture does not jive with Progressives thought.
 

GoodasGold

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S2- you're a 100% correct in your observation.

I would say PF is a huge proponent of personal accountability. As he has said a 1000 times, his culture is not for everyone. Progressives and the Loony Left don't like accountability and feel everyone deserves second, third, and ten second chances. A disciplined culture does not jive with Progressives thought.
OK boomer!
 

KillerGopherFan

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Tell me if I’m way misreading things. PJs culture, is very progressive. To me it’s in a good way. He’s embracing the new, all about Being selfless and serving and giving. But it just has the feel of the good side of the political left.
Contrast with Jerry Kill whose culture has a very old school conservative feel.
I actually like both cultures.

Here’s my question:
Why does it seem like Minnesota progressives hate Fleck? Lefties like Reusse can’t stand him. I don’t have a ton of data points, but when I see someone on Twitter lay into him, and I look at their feed, they are undoubtedly lefties.

Am I totally misreading? For the “fellas” on both sides, feel free to comment on whether you like Flecks culture and personality.


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Don’t try to figure out lefties. There’s no point in it. See examples above.
 

short ornery norwegian

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I think this is more of a old-vs-young situation.

Younger people, I believe, are more likely to buy into Fleck's approach. Older people are less likely to embrace it.

I don't see it as a left vs right situation. It's more a case of older people viewing Fleck's approach as new-age goofiness.

I have no clue what Fleck's political leanings might be. And, in all honesty, I don't want or need to know. I think Fleck is smart enough to realize that politics is one area he needs to stay away from.
 

jamiche

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Tell me if I’m way misreading things. PJs culture, is very progressive. To me it’s in a good way. He’s embracing the new, all about Being selfless and serving and giving. But it just has the feel of the good side of the political left.
Contrast with Jerry Kill whose culture has a very old school conservative feel.
I actually like both cultures.

Here’s my question:
Why does it seem like Minnesota progressives hate Fleck? Lefties like Reusse can’t stand him. I don’t have a ton of data points, but when I see someone on Twitter lay into him, and I look at their feed, they are undoubtedly lefties.

Am I totally misreading? For the “fellas” on both sides, feel free to comment on whether you like Flecks culture and personality.


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You are misreading things, deuce.

Can't you enjoy anything?
 

MplsGopher

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Wow. This is sad. I don't know PJ's politics and I don't care. If you can't even watch football without seeing an agenda you have issues.

I'm not sure if Reusse genuinely dislikes PJ at this point or if he's trolling. But to begin with it's the same reason he didn't like Brew. He thought he was a blow-hard. Reusse, like many Minnesotans, likes his coaches in the Bud Grant/Tom Kelly mold. He like Claeys for the same reason.
Correct, in all parts.

I hope PJ never makes a public political statement on any political issue, either local, state, or federal, his entire time as a football coach.

Politics are toxic. He has no business having a public opinion on them. Focus on being the coach.
 

GSUsTALON

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Tell me if I’m way misreading things. PJs culture, is very progressive. To me it’s in a good way. He’s embracing the new, all about Being selfless and serving and giving. But it just has the feel of the good side of the political left.
Contrast with Jerry Kill whose culture has a very old school conservative feel.
I actually like both cultures.

Here’s my question:
Why does it seem like Minnesota progressives hate Fleck? Lefties like Reusse can’t stand him. I don’t have a ton of data points, but when I see someone on Twitter lay into him, and I look at their feed, they are undoubtedly lefties.

Am I totally misreading? For the “fellas” on both sides, feel free to comment on whether you like Flecks culture and personality.

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You do not have to be a "progressive" democrat to be selfless and serving. You stated - "PJs culture, is very progressive. To me it’s in a good way. He’s embracing the new, all about Being selfless and serving and giving.

I am a conservative and our greatest coaches would be considered conserve. Are you saying that you have to be far left socialist to be compassionate?
 

Cruze

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Tell me if I’m way misreading things. PJs culture, is very progressive. To me it’s in a good way. He’s embracing the new, all about Being selfless and serving and giving. But it just has the feel of the good side of the political left.
Contrast with Jerry Kill whose culture has a very old school conservative feel.
I actually like both cultures.

Here’s my question:
Why does it seem like Minnesota progressives hate Fleck? Lefties like Reusse can’t stand him. I don’t have a ton of data points, but when I see someone on Twitter lay into him, and I look at their feed, they are undoubtedly lefties.

Am I totally misreading? For the “fellas” on both sides, feel free to comment on whether you like Flecks culture and personality.


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You're misreading things. Reusse only likes no B.S coaches who respond with absolute candor to questions from the media. Candor is a word he uses all the time when he talks about coaches he likes.

Reusse hates the gimmicky and rote responses that Fleck likes to give. Needless to say I don't like listening to Fleck either. That goes for Coyle, as well. But I do like how both of them are doing their jobs.

One more thing. There is zero doubt that Fleck and his wife are progressives (and liberals). It is one of the reasons they picked the Gophers. No way do they want to raise their children in a right wing conservative state.

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Section2

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Wow. This is sad. I don't know PJ's politics and I don't care. If you can't even watch football without seeing an agenda you have issues.

I'm not sure if Reusse genuinely dislikes PJ at this point or if he's trolling. But to begin with it's the same reason he didn't like Brew. He thought he was a blow-hard. Reusse, like many Minnesotans, likes his coaches in the Bud Grant/Tom Kelly mold. He like Claeys for the same reason.
It’s not PJs politics. It’s his culture and who embraces it. Not limited to Reusse, he’s just the best example.


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Section2

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You are misreading things, deuce.

Can't you enjoy anything?
I’m enjoying the heck out of Pj. I’d like him to stay a long time. The people who least want that to become reality seem to lean one way politically. Just curious why. Not just Reusse.


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jamiche

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I’m enjoying the heck out of Pj. I’d like him to stay a long time. The people who least want that to become reality seem to lean one way politically. Just curious why. Not just Reusse.


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Your biased supposition about PJ's politics and the people who do and don't support him is amusing, deuce. Service leadership is supposed to be one of the tenets of the evangelical movement, which is hardly a bastion of liberalism.

Reusse hates bullsh&tters, across the board. (He also loves to stir things up on twitter.) That has always been PJ's reputation, to the extreme. Reusse looks silly now because PJ is doing everything he said he would do on and off the field. If PJ walks out of here at the end of this season, Reusse will be partially vindicated.

You have referenced Reusse multiple times in an attempt to make your point. You haven't referenced anyone else. Let's have ten names of supposed "progessives" and no RWNJ's.

You could find the ugliness in a beautiful sunset. Sheesh.
 

bottlebass

Main Member
Wow. This is sad. I don't know PJ's politics and I don't care. If you can't even watch football without seeing an agenda you have issues.
This x 10000000000000000000

S2 seriously how sh!tty is your life that you can't enjoy anything without letting politics ruin it for you? It's entertainment. The Gophers are winning for the first time in your life, enjoy it.
 

Section2

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Your biased supposition about PJ's politics and the people who do and don't support him is amusing, deuce. Service leadership is supposed to be one of the tenets of the evangelical movement, which is hardly a bastion of liberalism.

Reusse hates bullsh&tters, across the board. (He also loves to stir things up on twitter.) That has always been PJ's reputation, to the extreme. Reusse looks silly now because PJ is doing everything he said he would do on and off the field. If PJ walks out of here at the end of this season, Reusse will be partially vindicated.

You have referenced Reusse multiple times in an attempt to make your point. You haven't referenced anyone else. Let's have ten names of supposed "progessives" and no RWNJ's.

You could find the ugliness in a beautiful sunset. Sheesh.
I made no supposition about PJ's politics, I have no idea. His culture is progressive. As I said, it's the good kind of progressive.

If it's just because he's a "BSer" (I don't believe he is, by the way), then why do they love politicians so much :confused:

I just see a lot of negative comments on twitter, and the ones who really seem to despise him, if you look at their feed, progs. They aren't national names, although the power trip guys aren't fans, and big progressives.
 

Section2

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This x 10000000000000000000

S2 seriously how sh!tty is your life that you can't enjoy anything without letting politics ruin it for you? It's entertainment. The Gophers are winning for the first time in your life, enjoy it.
This really isn't about politics. Just a question about why a progressive coach, maybe the most progressive coach in the country, is not embraced more by the progressives in this state. Surprising to me.
 

bottlebass

Main Member
This really isn't about politics. Just a question about why a progressive coach, maybe the most progressive coach in the country, is not embraced more by the progressives in this state. Surprising to me.
States this isn't about politics then mentions politics 3 additional times in the post. :rolleyes:

I can't imagine a life that sucks as much as yours.
 

jamiche

Active member
This really isn't about politics. Just a question about why a progressive coach, maybe the most progressive coach in the country, is not embraced more by the progressives in this state. Surprising to me.
Right now PJ is embraced by everybody. If he loses the last four, he'll be embraced by nobody. That's how it works. Your insistence on putting political labels on everybody and everything is silly, at best. At worst, it's moronic. In the middle, it's still moronic.
 

Section2

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States this isn't about politics then mentions politics 3 additional times in the post. :rolleyes:

I can't imagine a life that sucks as much as yours.
It's culture. Not politics. We live in a progressive culture. PJ is all about culture. The two seem to completely be in sync, yet he's not embraced. That's the question. I don't understand the freakout about the question.
 

bottlebass

Main Member
It's culture. Not politics. We live in a progressive culture. PJ is all about culture. The two seem to completely be in sync, yet he's not embraced. That's the question. I don't understand the freakout about the question.
No one is freaking out, just telling you like it is. You take great things in life and let politics ruin them for you because you are too stupid to just enjoy great things.

OK maybe you are freaking out about politics.... again. What a sad life you have.
 

Section2

Well-known member
No one is freaking out, just telling you like it is. You take great things in life and let politics ruin them for you because you are too stupid to just enjoy great things.

OK maybe you are freaking out about politics.... again. What a sad life you have.
Yes, you are freaking out. You aren't telling anything like it is, you're just angrily reacting to my question.
 

bottlebass

Main Member
Yes, you are freaking out. You aren't telling anything like it is, you're just angrily reacting to my question.
Nope, not freaking out. Just pointing out another one of your posts in a long history of letting politics ruin anything good in your life. You do this over and over and over. I"m not mad about it, I genuinely feel bad that your life sucks so bad that the gophers are 8-0 and you are letting politics ruin it for you.
 

Nokomis

Nothing To Say
Tell me if I’m way misreading things. PJs culture, is very progressive. To me it’s in a good way. He’s embracing the new, all about Being selfless and serving and giving. But it just has the feel of the good side of the political left.
Contrast with Jerry Kill whose culture has a very old school conservative feel.
I actually like both cultures.

Here’s my question:
Why does it seem like Minnesota progressives hate Fleck? Lefties like Reusse can’t stand him. I don’t have a ton of data points, but when I see someone on Twitter lay into him, and I look at their feed, they are undoubtedly lefties.

Am I totally misreading? For the “fellas” on both sides, feel free to comment on whether you like Flecks culture and personality.


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Who hates Fleck? You mention Reusse, but who else? Most of my college friends are what you would consider liberal progressives. They're also the biggest Gopher fans I know and LOVE PJ. As my fandom was waned a bit since moving out of town and having kids, theirs is as strong as ever. I just don't find tailgating appealing anymore and would match rather swing by Surly before or after the game. What I'm saying is, the biggest Gopher fans I know are also some of the biggest progressives. We are all love PJ. So where's this hate?
 

Section2

Well-known member
Who hates Fleck? You mention Reusse, but who else? Most of my college friends are what you would consider liberal progressives. They're also the biggest Gopher fans I know and LOVE PJ. As my fandom was waned a bit since moving out of town and having kids, theirs is as strong as ever. I just don't find tailgating appealing anymore and would match rather swing by Surly before or after the game. What I'm saying is, the biggest Gopher fans I know are also some of the biggest progressives. We are all love PJ. So where's this hate?
Hey, a thoughtful honest response! (squints) oh, Nokomis, why am I not surprised?

I don't know that I'm right, which is what I stated "tell me if I'm misreading". Just a social media impression.
 

Nokomis

Nothing To Say
S2- you're a 100% correct in your observation.

I would say PF is a huge proponent of personal accountability. As he has said a 1000 times, his culture is not for everyone. Progressives and the Loony Left don't like accountability and feel everyone deserves second, third, and ten second chances. A disciplined culture does not jive with Progressives thought.
LB - you're a 100% incorrect in your observation.

I know a few "anti-jock" progressives. They jumped all over the scandal under Claeys of what they saw as preferential treatment for athletes, victim-shaming, and athlete apologists. Now they've all been silenced with PJ. I imagine they welcome his discipline -- even if they hate everything else about our sports culture.
 



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