Net Neutrality Repeal

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Probably because you work for Comcast.

Who else actually prefers to be gouged for s___ internet service???
I think I pay $45 a month for the best service in the state - US Internet fiber. Dumbass.
 

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Not many places, but some remote places. Similarly true for at least dial-up internet.

You seemed to imply that for it to be considered a utility it had to be universally available like electricity.
No, I stated directly that it isn't a commodity, which implied that I thought that was required. Broadband internet (which is really what we are talking about here, isn't it?) is not nearly as available as electricity. It also comes at many different levels of what is offered in terms of speed and reliability (i.e., not a commodity). The market - along with obvious regulation (you think US Internet just started digging holes in the Minneapolis city boulevards without asking permission?) - is still figuring this all out. Let that part be for now.

I don't agree that it has to be run by municipalities. But I do think it is a utility and has all of the same issues with regards to companies having a virtual monopoly in many places.
Yeah, I hear you on that. But it's still relatively young. In the future, wired connections might be moot. So let's just see how it goes.
 

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Let cable monopolies be, for now? No! False.



Doubtful. Not when wireless providers charge for 3GB what a good ISP provides unlimited per month (or hundreds of GB cap). If they relax the data caps, then perhaps.
Do you know the definition of monopoly?


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Yeah, I hear you on that. But it's still relatively young. In the future, wired connections might be moot. So let's just see how it goes.
I agree it is probably moving in that direction. But the repeal of the net neutrality regs was a solution in search of a problem. The only argument I've seen outside of the internet companies is from people like 2 who get excited about the idea of repealing regulations regardless of their content.
 

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Another year gone by, haven't heard a peep about Net Neutrality. Any problems? Did we become Portugal? Have the ISPs banned porn? Anything bad happen? I haven't noticed anything other than an improvement in my streaming and data. Are we going to forget about this freakout and learn nothing?
 

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Thank goodness for USI fiber internet!

BIG middle finger to cable companies.
 

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S2 do you need some cream for that burn?
ISPs are throttling is what the article says. And? Anyone have any problems? Zero complaints on this board for the past year. I'd say the system works just fine.
 

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ISPs are throttling is what the article says. And? Anyone have any problems? Zero complaints on this board for the past year. I'd say the system works just fine.
They are throttling around the clock and only on companies that aren't paying them not to do so. Kind of exactly what everyone beside you would said would happen.
 

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They will also be able to restrict what sites you can visit.

Let's say an ISP has a real problem with people reading the Qur'an because they feel it will radicalize you. But you were interested in simply learning more about the Qur'an so you go to read it online. You would be blocked from being able to access it. So you want to buy it online and have it shipped. They will also be able to block sites where you can purchase it.

Or you are a telecommuter, but you work for a competitor of someone who paid off the ISP. They could throttle your network speed to a point that it no longer makes sense for you to work from home.
Any of this happen Bass?
 

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Most importantly, Netflix will be able to squash any new competitors by telling internet providers (who they will probably soon merge with) to block or slow them.
Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but two new gigantic entrants to the market in Disney+ and Apple have come in to compete with Netflix. So has Netflix been able to squash them by telling internet providers to slow or block them? Did Howie's merger happen? Anyone at all unhappy with their streaming ability?
 

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Portugal does not have net neutrality. ISPs have complete control over what their citizens can access on the internet. Example, if someone pays for internet access, they only get the very basics. If they want to have access to social media, for example, they need to pay a monthly fee to access it. Otherwise the company throttles their access to it.

The equivalent would be paying a monthly fee for electricity, but you electric company saying you need to pay $10/month to use your microwave. If you don't, they throttle electricity to it, and you can't use it in your own house.
Have we become portugal as mplarson predicted? ISPs have total control over what we can access? Do we get charged a monthly fee to access Facebook or Twitter?

Help yourself to some cream for your burn BB :)
 

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Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but two new gigantic entrants to the market in Disney+ and Apple have come in to compete with Netflix. So has Netflix been able to squash them by telling internet providers to slow or block them? Did Howie's merger happen? Anyone at all unhappy with their streaming ability?
If you read the article providers are throttling only certain companies. Hmmm I wonder how they are choosing which ones to throttle?
 

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If you read the article providers are throttling only certain companies. Hmmm I wonder how they are choosing which ones to throttle?
non sequitur to my post. however:

AT&T disputed the study's methodology, attributing the differences in streaming speeds to consumers' individual network plans and settings and denying that the carrier is deliberately slowing select internet content.

"We are committed to an open internet. We don't block websites. We don't censor online content. And we don't throttle, discriminate or degrade network performance based on content," AT&T spokesman Jim Greer told CBS MoneyWatch.
 

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Have we become portugal as mplarson predicted? ISPs have total control over what we can access? Do we get charged a monthly fee to access Facebook or Twitter?

Help yourself to some cream for your burn BB :)
It's only been a year. Just wait.
 

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AT&T disputed the study's methodology, attributing the differences in streaming speeds to consumers' individual network plans and settings and denying that the carrier is deliberately slowing select internet content.

"We are committed to an open internet. We don't block websites. We don't censor online content. And we don't throttle, discriminate or degrade network performance based on content," AT&T spokesman Jim Greer told CBS MoneyWatch.
Of course they did :rolleyes:
 

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Thank goodness for USI fiber internet!

BIG middle finger to cable companies.
Thank goodness for capitalism and free market competition! Exactly what Net Neutrality was REALLY meant to crush.
 

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Of course they did :rolleyes:
Not a lot of wiggle room in that statement. In fact, it's remarkably "uncorporatey". Possible that it's the truth? That once again journalists for the MSM have misreported? At the least, I trust AT&T as much as CBS and the MSM.
 

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You don't think it's a little early to claim victory?
No I don't. Because we are moving in the opposite direction to the predictions. Competition is INCREASING. Investment is INCREASING. Customer experience is better. If you understand markets, this is no surprise at all. If you think only government is benevolent and corporations are trying to screw over their customers, you are scratching your head.
Net Neutrality was a solution in search of a problem, not a response to real complaints by customers. And if I'm wrong, what's the big deal? If it becomes a problem, you can implement your net neutrality rules at that time. The reason this was such a panic, and pushed so hard by the MSM is because they didn't want to give you a chance to see what would happen.
 
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