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No thread on this? I guess I'm not surprised. A bunch of cowards.
 

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No thread on this? I guess I'm not surprised. A bunch of cowards.
i've seen people tweet about it, but like so much on twitter unless you have context the tweets are meaningless.

what's going on?
 

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No thread on this? I guess I'm not surprised. A bunch of cowards.
Nothing to see here. It's just China exerting control over their part of the world just like the U.S. and Russia have been doing in their parts of the world since WWII. It shouldn't surprise anyone. China's message to the world is if you want to do business in China you do it our way or not at all. China is not going to roll over on Hong Kong and Taiwan just like they aren't going to roll over on the Trumpster's tariffs. It won't matter to their leaders how much their economy suffers in the short term. They are thinking long term and they believe China is well on its' way to becoming the most dominant country in the world. Others think that, too:


The American Conservative: The Great Power Game is On and China is Winning

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-great-power-game-is-on-and-china-is-winning/
 
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i've seen people tweet about it, but like so much on twitter unless you have context the tweets are meaningless.

what's going on?
Short story:
GM of the Rockets tweeted support for Hong Kong protests.
Owner of the Rockets tried to walk it back because they are the favorite team in China (because Yao id guess).
GM of the rockets apologized sort of.
Commissioner is involved trying to thread the needle. China was to host an nba game that may now be cancelled.
And the two loudest trump critics in sports, Pop and Kerr, are confused about Hong Kong and don’t want to comment.
China is cracking down hard on anyone expressing support for Hong Kong and its sad. Last best example of laissez faire capitalism, the leftists like Cruze can’t wait to destroy it.


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China is cracking down hard on anyone expressing support for Hong Kong and its sad. Last best example of laissez faire capitalism, the leftists like Cruze can’t wait to destroy it.
Of course, what is happening in Hong Kong is sad, but it is also inevitable. Hong Kong is part of China which allows it to operate in accordance with the capitalist system it had from 1898 to 1997 under the 99 year lease to Great Britain. Once the lease expired without getting renewed the handwriting was on the wall. Since 1997 the residents of Hong Kong have been able to do only what China has allowed them to do. Hong Kong ceased being an example of laissez faire capitalism 21 years ago. That's not ever going to change.
 
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No thread on this? I guess I'm not surprised. A bunch of cowards.
Steve Kerr, Popovich, the NBA commissioner, and so on, value the money that China puts in their pockets more than they value the freedom of the people of Hong Kong.

If they NBA had any character, they’d forgo their business in China and take a stand against a totalitarian communist state.
 

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No thread on this? I guess I'm not surprised. A bunch of cowards.
Huh? Private enterprises looking out for their bottom lines. Isn’t this what you have been preaching for 40,000 posts? Now you are mocking it? Make up your mind.
 

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Huh? Private enterprises looking out for their bottom lines. Isn’t this what you have been preaching for 40,000 posts? Now you are mocking it? Make up your mind.
Pop and Kerr are looking out for their bottom line? Is that why they rip Trump constantly?

The NBA can choose to support totalitarian communism over Americans and liberty. I saw someone with a sign at the sizers game get escorted out. I just hope Americans vote with their wallet. We will see who they choose.


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Of course what is happening in Hong Kong is sad, but it is also inevitable. Hong Kong is part of China which allows it to operate in accordance with the capitalist system it had from 1898 to 1997 under the 99 year lease to Great Britain. Once the lease expired without getting renewed the handwriting was on the wall. Since 1997 the residents of Hong Kong have been able to do only what China has allowed them to do. Hong Kong ceased being an example of laissez faire capitalism 21 years ago. That's not ever going to change.
Still the freest place on earth. The world could get that to change if it cared. I know you aren’t sad. Places like Hong Kong are proof that your ideology is a failure. Which do you hate more? Hong Kong or Venezuela?


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Pop and Kerr are looking out for their bottom line? Is that why they rip Trump constantly?
What’s that slithering sound we all hear? Don’t worry folks, it’s just Section2! Maybe they figure it won’t hurt them a bit and can’t stand the guy?

The NBA can choose to support totalitarian communism over Americans and liberty. I saw someone with a sign at the sizers game get escorted out. I just hope Americans vote with their wallet. We will see who they choose.
A sign? At a sizers game? Sounds horrible. Great point though. Totally in line with your supposed principles.
 

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I don't care what the NBA does and I doubt S2 does either. I think he is pointing out the incredible hypocrisy of the NBA who gets all riled up about Trump and about social justice while they bow down to China the country that is one of the greatest abusers of human rights, one of the greatest polluters and one of the most restrictive of personal freedom. If Trump were doing any of the things China does, the uproar would be incredible. I hope the NBA pays the penalty with US fans for their cowardice and hypocrisy, but they have every right to do it to protect their Chinese cash.
 

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I don't care what the NBA does and I doubt S2 does either. I think he is pointing out the incredible hypocrisy of the NBA who gets all riled up about Trump and about social justice while they bow down to China the country that is one of the greatest abusers of human rights, one of the greatest polluters and one of the most restrictive of personal freedom. If Trump were doing any of the things China does, the uproar would be incredible. I hope the NBA pays the penalty with US fans for their cowardice and hypocrisy, but they have every right to do it to protect their Chinese cash.
Hypocrisy on both sides it would appear. Pretty sure conservatives spent the last decade complaining about politics in sports. Well here we are, NBA doesn't want to get political. Y'all got what you wanted! I believe the exact words were "Shut up and dribble."
 
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Hypocrisy on both sides it would appear. Pretty sure conservatives spent the last decade complaining about politics in sports. Well here we are, NBA doesn't want to get political. Y'all got what you wanted! I believe the exact words were "Shut up and dribble."
LOL. I see, you want the athletes to speak in favor of China but not America. Got it. I guess we know who you are.
 

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LOL. I see, you want the athletes to speak in favor of China but not America. Got it. I guess we know who you are.
You're putting words in my mouth (which appears to be a common strategy around here). I didn't say that at all. In fact I would like it if the NBA took a stronger free speech position with China. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the conservatives who are all upset at people they've repeatedly told to stay out of politics for not getting involved in politics. It's pretty funny actually. In short: China-bad. Right Wingers angry- funny
 

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You're putting words in my mouth (which appears to be a common strategy around here). I didn't say that at all. In fact I would like it if the NBA took a stronger free speech position with China. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the conservatives who are all upset at people they've repeatedly told to stay out of politics for not getting involved in politics. It's pretty funny actually. In short: China-bad. Right Wingers angry- funny
LOL on the bolded! You are really taking a stand!

The league sets the tone for political expression. They use their sport as a platform for their politics when it doesn't hurt their pocketbook. But when China does far, far worse than anyone here in America they are complaining about, but has big contracts with the NBA- they are told to shut up and dribble, by their own league. Yes- China bad. People on the right are sick of this going one way and the league being behind it. Conservatives don't boycott like the left does, it's not the nature of conservatives- we play nice. It's time that changes.
 

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You're putting words in my mouth (which appears to be a common strategy around here). I didn't say that at all. In fact I would like it if the NBA took a stronger free speech position with China. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the conservatives who are all upset at people they've repeatedly told to stay out of politics for not getting involved in politics. It's pretty funny actually. In short: China-bad. Right Wingers angry- funny
This is pretty spot on.
 

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Hypocrisy on both sides it would appear. Pretty sure conservatives spent the last decade complaining about politics in sports. Well here we are, NBA doesn't want to get political. Y'all got what you wanted! I believe the exact words were "Shut up and dribble."
It’s not hypocrisy to not want athletes to use their platform to express a divisive or “woke” political opinion while representing the team or sport that we fund through our attendance or viewership.

They can do whatever they want on their time, but when they’re representing a team or pro sports, they should shut up about divisive political issues.

Whether they are representing a team or sport or themselves, it’s always appropriate to support the American values of freedom and liberty. To ignore the abuses of China solely b/c they are profiting from that totalitarian Communist state, is anti-American and cowardly, but especially cowardly when they have so little issue publicly disparaging Americans of opposing political beliefs.

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It’s not hypocrisy to not want athletes to use their platform to express a divisive or “woke” political opinion while representing the team or sport that we fund through our attendance or viewership.

They can do whatever they want on their time, but when they’re representing a team or pro sports, they should shut up about divisive political issues.

Whether they are representing a team or sport or themselves, it’s always appropriate to support the American values of freedom and liberty. To ignore the abuses of China solely b/c they are profiting from that totalitarian Communist state, is anti-American and cowardly, but especially cowardly when they have so little issue publicly disparaging Americans of opposing political beliefs.

Got it?
In other words, it's ok to be outspoken about your beliefs, but it's not ok to be outspoken about beliefs in opposition to yours.
 

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Hypocrisy on both sides it would appear. Pretty sure conservatives spent the last decade complaining about politics in sports. Well here we are, NBA doesn't want to get political. Y'all got what you wanted! I believe the exact words were "Shut up and dribble."
I guess if it's political to support democracy in Hong Kong, you are right. Only RWNJs care about that?

Anyway, this seems like a bad move by China. Nobody would have even noticed the comments by this GM. I certainly wouldn't. Now everyone knows. And now everyone knows which companies in the US are suckling China's teat also. This whole issue just got a whole lot of daylight, which is good.
 

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In other words, it's ok to be outspoken about your beliefs, but it's not ok to be outspoken about beliefs in opposition to yours.
We found out which views in the US are totally acceptable, and which are blasphemous. Ripping the US and the president, perfect. Supporting a free and peaceful country against a totalitarian murderous regime? Blasphemous.
 

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In other words, it's ok to be outspoken about your beliefs, but it's not ok to be outspoken about beliefs in opposition to yours.
That appears to be the NBA standard for speech.

So the NBA players believe China is a "good" nation that should be above criticism? Is that their belief? Asking for a little consistency here. If you are going after America- at least be fair and go after nations that are far worse.
 

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We found out which views in the US are totally acceptable, and which are blasphemous. Ripping the US and the president, perfect. Supporting a free and peaceful country against a totalitarian murderous regime? Blasphemous.
How about we just let people speak about what they want and stop complaining when we don't like what we hear? The GOP and democrats both are guilty, and it just needs to stop.

Let Morey bash China. Let LeBron or whomever call Trump a chump. Let people kneel during the anthem.

Don't people get tired of the BS. I know I do.
 
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